Worst coach to win a Super Bowl.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:40 am
Is there any doubt Barry Switzer wins this award? Brian billick comes in a distant second.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:41 am
Would Bill Callahan be the worst to ever make a Super Bowl?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:42 am
Mississippi Neck wrote:Would Bill Callahan be the worst to ever make a Super Bowl?
Possibly.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:48 am
billick.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:50 am
G.O. wrote:billick.
I'll agree...Switzer at least was a good college coach
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:05 am
Weeb Ewbank, '68 Jets
Ray Malavasi, '78 Rams, lost Super Bowl to the Steelers, gets a vote for worst ever to make a Super Bowl
Ray Malavasi, '78 Rams, lost Super Bowl to the Steelers, gets a vote for worst ever to make a Super Bowl
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:24 am
Everybody knew those guys.....poptart wrote:Weeb Ewbank, '68 Jets
Ray Malavasi, '78 Rams.....
Sincerely,
Red Miller, 77 Broncos
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:33 am
Red Miller was 40-22 as a head coach.
Not too shabby.
But yeah, he basically is an afterfart.
Not too shabby.
But yeah, he basically is an afterfart.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:35 am
wOw!
RACK poppy and Greeny!
question? who coached the 85 Patsies?....was it Raymond Berry?
RACK poppy and Greeny!
question? who coached the 85 Patsies?....was it Raymond Berry?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:09 pm
poptart wrote:Weeb Ewbank, '68 Jets
Bullshit. Ewbank had 130 career victories and coached the 1958-59 two time world champion Colts in addition to the Jets.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:13 pm
The '58 and '59 Clots were led by Johnny U (HoF), Ray Berry (HoF), Lenny Moore (HoF), and Alan Ameche.
Much like the '95 Cowboys, Barry Switzer would have looked great coaching those Colt teams too.
Out of 20 seasons coaching pro football, Ewbank had just 7 winning seasons.
Weeb wasn't much.
Ray Berry coached the '85 Pats, yes.
Much like the '95 Cowboys, Barry Switzer would have looked great coaching those Colt teams too.
Out of 20 seasons coaching pro football, Ewbank had just 7 winning seasons.
Weeb wasn't much.
Ray Berry coached the '85 Pats, yes.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:34 pm
joe namath, where was the wierdest place you ever made whoopie?poptart wrote:Weeb Ewbank, '68 Jets
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:12 pm
Ray Berry was not the worst coach. He was actually very good. The Patriots were the WildCard team. The Bears were probably one of the Best Teams to ever play in the SuperBowl.Qbert wrote:wOw!
RACK poppy and Greeny!
question? who coached the 85 Patsies?....was it Raymond Berry?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:26 pm
Not sure how you can dis a guy who coached THREE NFL Championship teams?poptart wrote:The '58 and '59 Clots were led by Johnny U (HoF), Ray Berry (HoF), Lenny Moore (HoF), and Alan Ameche.
Much like the '95 Cowboys, Barry Switzer would have looked great coaching those Colt teams too.
Out of 20 seasons coaching pro football, Ewbank had just 7 winning seasons.
Weeb wasn't much.
What's next? Bill Walsh wasn't all that because Joe Montana (HoF), Jerry Rice (HoF), Ronnie Lott (HoF) would have made Switzer look good?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:36 pm
I would say Billick. I am not old enough to know to remember those dudes from the 60s and eaqrly 70s.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:21 pm
Weeb Ewbank had a lifetime record of 130-129-7.
Lombardi was 96-34-6.
Walsh was 92-59-1.
Ewbank won 3 NFL titles, so props to him.
Let's keep in mind that the titles he won with the Colts in '58 and '59 were when there were just 12 teams in the entire league.
So clearly, winning a title at that time didn't mean as much as it does in modern times when you've got to be better than 30 teams.
If you look at Weeb's body of work, it is not real impressive.
Again, just 7 winning seasons out of 20 coached.
I'm not dissing him, I'm saying that he belongs aside Switzer as the worst coach to win a Super Bowl.
Lombardi was 96-34-6.
Walsh was 92-59-1.
Ewbank won 3 NFL titles, so props to him.
Let's keep in mind that the titles he won with the Colts in '58 and '59 were when there were just 12 teams in the entire league.
So clearly, winning a title at that time didn't mean as much as it does in modern times when you've got to be better than 30 teams.
If you look at Weeb's body of work, it is not real impressive.
Again, just 7 winning seasons out of 20 coached.
I'm not dissing him, I'm saying that he belongs aside Switzer as the worst coach to win a Super Bowl.
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:12 am
He was just the figurehead, Marvin Lewis was the brains behind that team.G.O. wrote:billick.
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:19 am
I'll go with Switzer, based strictly on NFL credentials.
Barry was a great college coach, but demonstrated the "Peter Principle"
by rising to his level of incompetence in the NFL.
He took Jimmy Johnson's leftovers to a Super Bowl.
Barry was a great college coach, but demonstrated the "Peter Principle"
by rising to his level of incompetence in the NFL.
He took Jimmy Johnson's leftovers to a Super Bowl.
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:24 pm
at least knew he was gravytraining and his ability to suck jerry jones cack while despising every second of it was inspiring
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:46 pm
The worst to ever make it to the Super Bowl.......
Billick, Callahan, Martz
Billick, Callahan, Martz
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:18 pm
Billick
Ewbank built two crap franchises into champions. When he joined the Colts, they had just moved from Dallas and were the laughing stock of the league. In 5 years he built them into back to back NFL champs.
Ewbank built two crap franchises into champions. When he joined the Colts, they had just moved from Dallas and were the laughing stock of the league. In 5 years he built them into back to back NFL champs.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:49 am
By your criteria....poptart wrote:Weeb Ewbank had a lifetime record of 130-129-7.
97-87-0 and one less Championship ring. And John Rauch wasn't much better.Actually I'm going with Don McCafferty. As far as those making a losing cameo...
75-85-1
And a little help for the historical and google challanged...
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/r ... se_id=1293
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/index.htm
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:16 pm
Didn't know Weeb Ewbank could get so much luv.
Tom Flores' coaching record took a serious hit by sucking for 3 seasons in Seattle ...... when his QBs were Stan Gelbaugh, Dan McGwire, Kelly Stouffer, and Rick Mirer.
Yeah, I'm sure Weeb would have FLOURISHED with those guys taking snaps for him.
No Namath, No Unitas, .....Weeb pretty well sucked.
Look it up.
Well hell, he even was often mediocre WITH those guys.
Flores won two Super Bowls in the modern era.
Weeb won twice when the league consisted of 12 teams.
Not only that, as soon as Lombardi arrived on the scene Weeb and his Unitas-led Colts were TOAST.
Never got a sniff of their division.
It was all GB.
Tom Flores' coaching record took a serious hit by sucking for 3 seasons in Seattle ...... when his QBs were Stan Gelbaugh, Dan McGwire, Kelly Stouffer, and Rick Mirer.
Yeah, I'm sure Weeb would have FLOURISHED with those guys taking snaps for him.
No Namath, No Unitas, .....Weeb pretty well sucked.
Look it up.
Well hell, he even was often mediocre WITH those guys.
Flores won two Super Bowls in the modern era.
Weeb won twice when the league consisted of 12 teams.
Not only that, as soon as Lombardi arrived on the scene Weeb and his Unitas-led Colts were TOAST.
Never got a sniff of their division.
It was all GB.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:29 pm
Dio's got a good point on Flores.poptart wrote:Tom Flores' coaching record took a serious hit by sucking for 3 seasons in Seattle ...... when his QBs were Stan Gelbaugh, Dan McGwire, Kelly Stouffer, and Rick Mirer.
Getting maximum effort from available talent separates the great coaches
from the merely good, or ordinary ones.
Case in point:
Don Shula took a team with David Woodley at QB to a Super Bowl.
WAR Riggins on 4th-and-1!
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:19 pm
And you caould make the case (which I beleived at the time) that all Flores did was cruise by on what Madden built, and eventually it petered out.
And you have to admit Rauch was one of the bigger mediocrites to coach a losing team.
McCafferty still wins.
Or loses.
And you have to admit Rauch was one of the bigger mediocrites to coach a losing team.
McCafferty still wins.
Or loses.