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Put an * next to this in the record book
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:21 pm
by War Wagon
Shaun Alexanders emminent breaking of the all time rushing TD's record, that is. Priest Holmes currently holds this title, having hit paydirt 27 times in 2003. Alexander sits on 26 with one game left against the hapless Packers. Odds are he gets it in a meaningless game, as the walrus will want to atone for sitting Shaun last year and leaving him one measly yard short of Tiki Barber's league leading total.
Now, I've got no axe to grind against either Shaun or the 'hags, but let's examine his numbers a bit closer.
He's scored 14 of the 26 against the worst division foes in the NFL, the pathetic NFC West of Arizona, San Fagcisco, and St. Loser, of whom he has the good fortune of playing twice each season.
Toss in another 4 he piled-up against league punching bag Houston, and that makes about 75% of his TD's have come against inferior competition.
He scored 18 TD's in those 7 games alone, while in the other 8 games against legitimate NFL defenses, he could only manage 8 others.
This record, should he achieve it, will be a fraud and should have an * next to it in the record books.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:33 pm
by BBMarley
One- it was Curtis MArtin not Barber.
Two- As I recall- Holmes did not go against alot of stellar teams that year. 21 of his 27 TD's came against teams with less than a .500 record. Of the .500 teams or above he faced- he put up 2 against Denver in one game (shut out the other), 0 against B-More, 1 against Green Bay, 3 against Minny and 0 against Cinncinati (who had the worst ranked D that year). The rest were against San Diego (played twice- ranked 27th overall in D that year), Oakland (played twice- ranked 25th in D that year), Houston, Cleveland, Detroit & Chicago. He did face Pitt & Buffalo that year and put up 3 each.
Don't make it seem like Priest had this extremly tough schedule with all these powerhouse teams he was facing...
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:42 pm
by War Wagon
BBMarley wrote:One- it was Curtis MArtin not Barber.
Hey, I had the right City! But I stand corrected.
Don't make it seem like Priest had this extremly tough schedule with all these powerhouse teams he was facing...
I'm too lazy to do the research, but it'd be interesting to see the overall winning % of each's opponents for the season. I'd wager that KC's schedule was much tougher.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:47 pm
by BBMarley
Maybe a touch- but I don't think by much. But you're right- that's just too much research for today. :D
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:22 pm
by Diogenes
2003 Chiefs.....
1 San Diego Chargers W | 27-14 | 4-12
2 | Pittsburgh Steelers W | 41-20 | 6-10
3 | at Houston Texans W | 42-14 | 5-11
4 | at Baltimore Ravens W | 17-10 | 10-6
5 | Denver Broncos W | 24-23 10-6
6 | at Green Bay Packers W | 40-34 | 10-6
7 | at Oakland Raiders W | 17-10 | 4-12
8 | Buffalo Bills W | 38- 5 | 6-10
10 | Cleveland Browns W | 41-20 | 5-11
11 | at Cincinnati Bengals L | 19-24 | 8-8
12 | Oakland Raiders W | 27-24 | 4-12
13 | at San Diego Chargers W | 28-24 | 4-12
14 | at Denver Broncos L | 27-45 | 10-6
15 | Detroit Lions W | 45-17 | 5-11
16 | at Minnesota Vikings L | 20-45 | 9-7
17 | Chicago Bears W | 31- 3 | 7-9
They were 2nd in total offense-29th total defense.
3-3 against .500+ teams.
You're welcome.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:42 pm
by War Wagon
Hey, I finally found a use for Dio! :wink:
I'm no math wiz, but KC's opponents in 2003 won 107 games.
Seattle's opponents in 2005 thus far have won 87 games, including the 3 won by GB, whom they play next. That 87 is greatly inflated due to the Indy match-up which added a healthy 13. Let's be generous and give the hag's opponents another 7 wins this year (unlikely) for a total of 94.
Conclusion: Priest's 27 TD's came against much stiffer competition.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:03 pm
by BBMarley
War Wagon wrote:Hey, I finally found a use for Dio! :wink:
I'm no math wiz, but KC's opponents in 2003 won 107 games.
Seattle's opponents in 2005 thus far have won 87 games, including the 3 won by GB, whom they play next. That 87 is greatly inflated due to the Indy match-up which added a healthy 13. Let's be generous and give the hag's opponents another 7 wins this year (unlikely) for a total of 94.
Conclusion: Priest's 27 TD's came against much stiffer competition.
Okay- so I did some research... :D
In 2003- the average rank of a rush defense KC played against was 15.69- I can give you a break down of this if you want it.
In 2005- the average rank of a rush defense Seattle played against was 17.
The rush D's do not appear to be that drastically different. Certainly not enough to be considered
MUCH stiffer competiton.
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:16 pm
by Diogenes
Of course you have to take into account the way Alexander's stats are padded by having an actual defense.
I'm guessing Holmes spent a lot more time on the sidelines, watching opponents march down the field aginst his scrublike 'D', whle Shaun is seeing significantly more 3 and outs.
Trying to help you out here, Chief fan. :twisted:
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:20 am
by Mississippi Neck
KC Paul 3.0 wrote:The "strength of schedule" argument against Shaun Alexander's imminent ownership of the NFL regular season TD record is WEAK, Wags. The Seahawks merely played who was scheduled for them, nothing more, nothing less.
Trust me, you'll be the ONLY guy to drop an asterisk on S. Alexander.
Agreed..Waggy that's just a silly argument.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:07 am
by War Wagon
KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
Trust me, you'll be the ONLY guy to drop an asterisk on S. Alexander.
Not only am I dropping an asterisk on Shaun Alexander, but also his team, his division, and while we're at it, the entire anemic conference.
Buncha' weak sisters, not one fugging team from the NFC would be good enough to make the playoffs if they'd been in the AFC.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:32 am
by Diogenes
War Wagon wrote:KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
Trust me, you'll be the ONLY guy to drop an asterisk on S. Alexander.
Not only am I dropping an asterisk on Shaun Alexander, but also his team, his division, and while we're at it, the entire anemic conference.
Buncha' weak sisters, not one fugging team from the NFC would be good enough to make the playoffs if they'd been in the AFC.
Someone forgot their Midol.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:11 am
by Mississippi Neck
War Wagon wrote:KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
Trust me, you'll be the ONLY guy to drop an asterisk on S. Alexander.
Not only am I dropping an asterisk on Shaun Alexander, but also his team, his division, and while we're at it, the entire anemic conference.
Buncha' weak sisters, not one fugging team from the NFC would be good enough to make the playoffs if they'd been in the AFC.
This must be one of your "i look stupid but I'm just stirring the pot" posts. I will disengage.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:13 am
by poptart
M0derators, can one of y'all drop an asterisk next to Wagon's name or avatard...?
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:43 am
by War Wagon
Mississippi Neck wrote:
...but "I'm just stirring the pot" posts. I will disengage.
Now, would I do that?
As if you ever did 'engage'.
And oh btw, Paulio...
The "strength of schedule" argument against Shaun Alexander's imminent ownership of the NFL regular season TD record is WEAK...
As WEAK as calling for a Chiefs loss against SD, but then coming in and running scoreboard smack immediately after the beat down?
Not
that weak, huh?
Shaun Alexander's impending record is tainted and a fraud. Too bad that some of the mental midgets in here don't have the football acumen to recognize said fact.
'sall right, I expected no less.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:15 am
by Felix
seriously, this has got to be one of the stupidest things you've ever posted spin wagon......
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:23 am
by War Wagon
Yikes, another contributor weighs in with their considered opinion.
I've been schooled.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:51 am
by Felix
what next, start putting asterisks for runners getting too few yards per carry.......how about and asterisk if a runner doesn't carry it at least 20 times per game, regardless of how many yards they get.....
you're an idiot
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:41 pm
by Bucmonkey
You must be kidding Wags ?
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:33 pm
by rozy
Felix wrote:seriously, this has got to be one of the stupidest things you've ever posted spin wagon......
Yep
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:20 pm
by jiminphilly
War Wagon wrote:KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
Trust me, you'll be the ONLY guy to drop an asterisk on S. Alexander.
Not only am I dropping an asterisk on Shaun Alexander, but also his team, his division, and while we're at it, the entire anemic conference.
Buncha' weak sisters, not one fugging team from the NFC would be good enough to make the playoffs if they'd been in the AFC.
Stupid statement #2. While I'll agree that the NFC is generally a lot weaker than the AFC, much like the Eagles of last year, the Seahawks are a legit team and have shown to easily be one of the top 3 teams in the NFL.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:43 pm
by Cicero
Wags, you are a giant douche. I cant believe I wasted my time opening up this thread. I think Holmes is a tremendous back and an even better person but lets not forget that holmes played behing argueably the best O-Line in football. Those were some pretty big holes they were opening up. Give Alexander his due. 28-30 TDs is damn good.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:16 pm
by Felix
* runs of less than 3 yards will not count offically as a rushing TD
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:19 pm
by poptart
* all offensive stats piled up v. the Oakland 'duds this year will receive this mark.