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Read it and weep Jon, if Kirk goes it will be back to sucking for the suckeyes.

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Based on the bowl game I would say the Hawks are already back to sucking. BTW, you won't see that little parrot bitch around here for along time. She always dis appears after Iowa gets its ass handed to them.

Kirk Ferentz goes to Texans, Clayborn is gone(4 star kid from St.Louis) and i'm sure they lose a couple of quality players. The reason these kids are going to iowa is because of Kirk. Pinkel save a scholarship!

Denver radio is saying Kubiak is interviewing for the Texans job and also teh Lions job. i still haven't figured out what being Mike Shanahan's OC actually means ir what Kubiak does....Shanny is the one calling the plays. and Kubiak has the personality of a wet rag.

noj has also got a "3 teams from Iowa making the sweet 16" prediction hanging this year....over on the hoops board.

He's the fav for the job down here, with Kubiak running a close second thanks to his Houston roots and our owner begging for an OC as a head coach.

What are most people in Texas saying about Ferentz to the Texans? From what I've heard, it seems Kubiak is the clear favorite. Could be wrong.

Ferentz did not build this program. So if he leaves, it's not the end of anything. I hope he stays, but if he doesn't, some coach is going to enter a great situation. This is a program that is going to compete for BCS bowls the next 3 years. So if he leaves, the new coach will have plenty of time to recruit his own players for the future and still have a talented roster left over from the Ferentz era. We've been a solid program ever since 1981. Many people don't understand the number of quality coaches that have Iowa ties. And we have an athletic department that has the money to spend to get a good coach.

I guarantee you there will be a lot of good candidates for the job. It's too good of a job for there not to be. We have just spent $90 million to renovate Kinnick Stadium, we're starting to get more and more national attention, and we have a lot of good young talent. Plus, we'll be willing to ante up to get a good coach. Ferentz is a great coach and I hope he stays, but don't think for one second I'm the slightest bit worried about what will happen to this program if he leaves.

That said, I think he stays. Could be wrong. 2008 is probably the year he goes.

Ferentz did not build this program.

PARDON?

No, Hayden built the foundation for the program. Ferentz just improved it.

Well, technically Rockne built ND's foundation, all the other coaches have just built up from there.

I guess it was Hayden leaving Ferentz with all that talent to go 14-32 in his first four years, that allowed Kirk to then recruit some studs like Gallery and Clark to get him to the next level.

Ferentz is a master at developing talent and unless Iowa were to hire a coach as good as him, they are in a shit load of trouble. Iowa's recruiting season was a perfect storm of Illinois and ND sucking, and Chicago having a great talent crop. All of that won't happen very often.

Actually, Dallas Clark was a Hayden Fry recruit.

You'd be surprised at how many of the players that were seniors in 2002 were actually Hayden Fry recruits.

Either way, I think you're confusing "team" with "program." Sure Hayden left the cubbard empty. The 1999 and 2000 teams were horrible. But Hayden had already built the program. He got the facilities upgraded and they continue to do that.

For example, Bob Stoops did not build the OU program, he simply rebuilt it. Hayden left Ferentz lousy talent, but he left him a program that had very good upside because of the facilities, the improving recruting base, the supportive fan base, the growing tradition, and our ability to spend money to compete with the top schools.

We're never going to compete with schools like USC and Texas for top recruiting classes. But as long as we keep getting good coaches that can find hidden gems and develop talent, we don't have to compete with them. Kirk Ferentz is not the only coach in the world that develops talent. Getting good assistants is important, and we can do that because, like I said before, we have the money and it's a good job. I'm confident we'll get a coach that has a well known and respected national name that will bring in good position coaches.

But I don't think it's going to matter because the chances of Ferentz leaving are not that good.

TheJON wrote:We've been a solid program ever since 1981.

You seem to have forgotten that 3 year stretch from 1998-2000.

What coach wouldn't come in for the chance to coach 120 blue-chippers.

My point exactly Steve. It's got to suck knowing that Iowa is now competing with Michigan and you guys get all those 4 and 5 star recruits. One thing is certain, if Ferentz leaves, the new coach won't suck as bad as Lloyd Carr.

actually, it doesn't suck, though it must suck to know our nadir means 7-5 while yours is 1-10.

Our sucky coach beat your legend in your house.

Damn you suck Jon. This shit is too easy.

Recognize the un-trumpable....SCOREBOARD!!

I think jon just admited that Iowa will never be a national power, but second fiddle is ok with him. Im sure recruits will be clamering over them selves to go there..

I was going to go off about the officials in the Michigan-Iowa game, but after the Iowa-Florida game, the thought of mentioning college football refs makes me want to vomit.

I'm sure the 31-7 halftime deficit had nothing to do with it.

Blame the refs.

It's the refs fault that nobody blocked on the first quarter punt. The refs put Iowa in a deep hole. The fucking refs are so anti-Iowa, although Bowl selection committees are so in favor of Iowa and the throngs of fans that travel so well. It really is tough to figure out.

Actually, it was 24-7 at half. That's after Florida got a free touchdown because of 3 blown calls.

Florida was a better team. But we were completely screwed and anyone that does not think so is a complete moron. This is indisputable.

Well, if Ferentz ends up going to Houston, he'll have a plethora of his old players to choose from in the first round of the draft.

Steve,

If it wasn't the refs than why have they all been fired and Conference-USA sent Iowa a letter of apology for all the blown calls???

Because it wasn't the refs who played like shit in the first half to put Iowa behind. The team played like shit and put them in the hole. Bad calls are a part of every game. The object is to not be in position to let said calls hurt you.

Jon,
When you have to watch a game officiated by a Sun Belt crew I may feel for you.
Sin.
UM and Nebraska

Killian, I'm not disagreeing with that. Florida came out and kicked our ass for 3 quarters. Part of that was due to officiating. But even so, that does not mean we didn't get screwed. Bad calls are a part of the game, but calls like the refs made in this game are not a part of the game. They were critical mistakes that gave Florida a free touchdown and prevented Iowa from scoring a game tying TD. The calls that were made in this game are simply inexcuseable. Iowa has themselves to blame for being down 31-7 in the 4th, but they have the refs to blame for losing the game.

Steve,

Yep, Michigan got jobbed too. I saw that game. That crew was pathetic.

TheJON wrote:Killian, I'm not disagreeing with that. Florida came out and kicked our ass for 3 quarters. Part of that was due to officiating. But even so, that does not mean we didn't get screwed. Bad calls are a part of the game, but calls like the refs made in this game are not a part of the game. They were critical mistakes that gave Florida a free touchdown and prevented Iowa from scoring a game tying TD. The calls that were made in this game are simply inexcuseable. Iowa has themselves to blame for being down 31-7 in the 4th, but they have the refs to blame for losing the game.

I agreed with everything you said up until this point.

I personally thought Anthony Gonzales caught the ball and fumbled and Zbikowski returned it for a TD. But I don't blame the refs for making a bullshit block in the back call completely away from the play, nor do I blame them for overturning the call. Even though that would have tied the game, ND lost because they got their ass kicked up and down the field, and if they could have defended a deep pass or stopped Troy Smith on 3rd down, it would have been a different game.

For each time you point to a refs blown call as costing you the game, I'm sure you could point to countless 3rd down conversions by Florida on scoring drives, or failed 3rd down conversions that led to Iowa punting.

Refs blow calls, QB's blow thows, LB's and DB's blow coverages and tackles, but I rarely see people start a thread or post by bitching at their own players.

Like I said, Florida was clearly a better team. But that free TD they scored at the end of the half was costly. And you can't tell me that the blown offsides call did not have a HUGE impact on the outcome of the game regardless of who the better team was.

We're not talking about a few questionable pass interference calls or missed holding calls. I'm talking about game changing blown calls. And not just 1 or 2, but 7 or 8.

How does Clinton Solomon get called for facemask when it was the defensive player that grabbed his facemask? How does Marcus Schoor get a running into the punter penalty when he didn't even touch the punter? How does Florida get away with having 12 men on the field....twice? How does Ken Iwebema get penalized for leading with his helmet on a tackle of Chris Leak when he didn't even tackle him with his helmet? How does a Florida WR go out of bounds without being pushed out, the ref throw his hat down signifying that the WR went out of bounds, but that WR was able to catch a TD pass on that play?

I bet you didn't know that Florida had 12 men on the field on the onside kick that Iowa recovered? So not only did Iowa get screwed with the offsides call, but they should have had the ball with a penalty tacked on to the recovery.

Everyone of these penalties were in crucial situations.

How bout Ferentz calling a defensive TO to get the ball back at the end of the half. How'd that turn out? I don't think it was a ref that roughed the punter. Kirk Lombardi should have let the clock run out and get into the lockerroom.

There was no guarantee that Iowa would have even scored had they recoverd the kick. The refs may have prevented Iowa with a chance to score the game tying TD, but again the issue is that Iowa's poor play put them in that position in the first place. Had this been a back and fourth game, each team trading TD's, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But again, I go back to the fact that had Iowa converted a 3rd down when they had to punt, or stopped Iowa on a 3rd down when they scored, this argument would be moot.

No one roughed the punter, Steve. Ferentz made the right decision. Florida got a free TD because of the refs, not Ferentz. The next play, they got a bullshit penalty on Ken Iwebema for something he didn't do. Instead of going into the lockerroom down 17-7 or 17-10 or maybe even 17-14, but because of the refs it was 24-7.

You're right, we still had to score even if we got the onsides kick. But how many teams in that situation DON'T score? Anytime a team pisses away a lead and then the other team recovers an onside kick, they almost always score. It reminded me of the Iowa-Northwestern game. We kicked their ass for most of the game and they made a huge rally and got an onside kick. Once they got the kick, anyone watching the game knew they were going to score.

Surely Kirk Walsh has enough pull in CFB to work the refs. I mean, if Kirk Gibbs aint good for a couple of calls, what the hell's the point with having a guy like Kirk Shula roaming the sidelines.

What's the point of that? I've never jerked off to Kirk Ferentz. I don't come on here drooling all over the guy. Many Iowa fans do, but not me. I like him, but certainly don't think he's one of the greats. Many Iowa fans overrate him. He's a damn good coach, but not as good as some think. He has flaws as a coach.

but they have the refs to blame for losing the game.

You were doing quite well in this thread up until this point. Bad calls or no bad calls, you still let UF into the end zone too many times to win the game.

Oh, and when I think of Hayden Frye I think of unnecessarily long tenured coach, and the guy who came up with that pink colored away locker room idea. Brilliant.

TheJON wrote:We're never going to compete with schools like USC and Texas for top recruiting classes. But as long as we keep getting good coaches that can find hidden gems and develop talent, we don't have to compete with them.

Good luck with that.

sin,
the other 116 1A teams trying to do the same