Why is it that....
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:08 pm
... only 2% of African Americans support Bush?
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I care. ;)
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:38 pm
Why Jews and Blacks Vote Democrat
2/5/03
The odds are that you have wondered at one time or another why the great majority of Jews and nearly all blacks vote Democrat. There are, after all, no other ethnic or racial groups that so overwhelmingly and consistently vote either Republican or Democrat.
Moreover, given Jewish values and given blacks' views on a host of important social issues, there is really no compelling reason for blacks and Jews to vote Democrat.
Let us begin with the Jews. Judaism, like every great religion, is essentially conservative: Judaism demands obedience to a judging God and to a moral code set forth thousands of years ago. That is why the more orthodox a Jew is religiously, the less likely he is to be a liberal politically; and the more likely he is to vote Republican. Furthermore, the dominant Jewish issue, the security and survival of the Jewish state, is also unlikely to orient a Jew politically leftward. Even sociologically, Jews voting instinctively Democratic makes little sense. Jews, more than many, consider it shameful to rely on others for welfare, raise their children to believe in hard work, and benefit from a merit-based society. Indeed, even those Jews who vote Democratic usually lead rather conservative lives.
As for blacks, their virtually unanimous voting for the Democratic Party makes even less sense. For one thing, most blacks tend to have socially conservative views (considerably moreso than their fellow Democrats). Blacks tend to be religious, have traditional views on homosexuality and abortion, and believe in school vouchers, a policy strongly opposed by the party nearly all of them vote for. Moreover, while the Democratic Party has brilliantly portrayed itself as the party that made civil rights possible, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the landmark civil rights bills than Democrats.
None of this is meant to suggest that there are no Democratic Party positions that appeal to blacks and Jews. The great majority of blacks apparently do support affirmative action, a position entirely identified with the Democratic Party. And the majority of Jews do support larger government and higher tax rates, fundamental Democratic positions.
But if each party's policy positions were the sole determinants of Jews' and blacks' voting habits, the two groups should evenly divide their votes between the two parties.
Clearly then, it is not Democratic Party positions that explain why so many Jews and blacks vote Democrat. Something deeper must be at work.
That something is fear in the case of Jews and anger in the case of blacks. And both the Jews' fears and the blacks' anger are a result of their respective collective memories.
The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right.
The black memory in question is of white racism. It seems obvious that many African-Americans carry a residual anger against whites and against America as a result of centuries of slavery and racism. They therefore vote for the party most associated with policies (such as affirmative action) ostensibly designed to fight racism (meaning, always, white racism), and which frequently condemns alleged ongoing white racism. And blacks vote against the party they perceive as denying that America continues to be racist, the party that opposes race-based policies, and the party that celebrates America as if it isn't a racist country.
The problem with these memories is not that they are inaccurate; it is that they are no longer accurate. And they therefore paralyze the two groups who hold onto these memories — Jews and blacks.
In Part 2 of this column (next Wednesday) I will explain why these memories and perceptions are no longer accurate (and therefore paralyze blacks and Jews from clearly perceiving the present white, Christian and conservative realities), and what, if anything, Republicans, whites and Christians can do about these unfortunate perceptions. For these perceptions are ultimately bad for Jews, bad for blacks, and bad for America.
Jews and blacks vote Democratic: Part II (Dennis Prager)
TownHall.com ^ | 1/28/03 | Dennis Prager
Part Two:
In Part I, I argued that it is not Democratic positions that most entice nearly all blacks and the great majority of Jews to vote Democrat. Rather this lopsided voting is more a function of the two groups' respective memories.
As a result of millennia of Christian oppression of them, many Jews still fear religion, particularly Christians and Christianity, even though all the Christian anti-Semitism was European; and as a result of the Nazis, many Jews fear anything labeled "right wing." As for blacks, because of centuries of slavery and racism, many black Americans continue to harbor great anger at whites and at America.
If these memories accurately assessed today's white, Christian and right-wing Americans, Jews' and blacks' overwhelming support for the Democrats would surely make sense. Indeed, they would mandate such voting.
But these memories do not apply today, and therefore they are having a paralyzing effect on America's Jews and blacks.
The fact is that most white Americans have changed; most are no longer racist. Regarding race, most white Americans would probably like nothing more than to forget about race, as they no longer deem either their own whiteness or blacks' blackness to be of particular significance. I know from years of speaking to black callers to my radio show, however, that this is almost impossible for many of them to believe. They ask, in effect, "Are we blacks really supposed to believe that in the course of one generation an entire mindset -- that of white racial superiority -- has simply disappeared?"
The answer is largely, though of course not universally, yes. One reason is that most Americans are decent people, another is the non-racist education they have received. A third is the unprecedented personal and media exposure to blacks that this generation of whites has received. And a fourth reason is that in order to believe that skin color determines a person's traits or worth, you have to be not only evil, you have to be an ignoramus; and regarding race, most Americans are no longer ignoramuses. They know too many wonderful people of all races.
As for Jews' fears of American Christians, they are even less fact-based than blacks' continuing anger at whites. American Christians were never the anti-Semites of Jewish memory. Those were European Christians who persecuted Jews for all those years, precisely the Christians that America's (Christian) founders fled to establish this different society. American Jews' fears of American Christians are therefore simply irrational, especially now when Christian Americans (outside of the National Council of Churches) are the Jews' and Israel's most loyal friends.
Memory also explains American Jews' irrational fears of the right. Because the Nazis are widely deemed far rightists (yes, Nazism stood for National Socialism, but no leftists or socialists considered it an ideological ally), Jews continuing to only look rightward for anti-Semitic threats is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because it is like looking only to the right when you cross a two-way street because your grandfather was killed by a car coming from the right. And it is dangerous because since World War II, and at this very moment, the greatest anti-Semitism has come from the left.
The result of all these misperceptions on the part of blacks and Jews is that the Democratic Party understands that in order to maintain its overwhelming black and Jewish support, it must abet black anger at whites and abet Jews' fears of Christians and conservatives. And this they do well, to the great detriment of the country.
There are signs, however, that this strategy, at least vis-a-vis the Jews, is beginning to fail. Many Jewish Democrats are thanking God that Christian conservative Republicans (George W. Bush and Dick Cheney) rather than Democrats (Al Gore and Joseph Lieberman) are in the White House. And as they look around, they find that in a world that once again has a cold spot in its heart for the Jews, virtually all their allies are conservatives.
As for blacks, I am less sanguine about the immediate future. A generation of blacks has been repeatedly told by their leaders, by liberal educators, liberal media, and by the Democratic Party that America and whites are racist. They have also been told that the only way out of the social problems that plague parts of black life is through the Democratic Party.
What then should Republicans do? Talk to and especially listen to blacks. Most blacks want, more than anything else, to know that they are being heard. We can ask blacks not to allow their memories of centuries of racism to cloud their views of America today, but they can ask the rest of us not to forget those centuries. We therefore have to say sincerely to blacks, "We will not forget what this country did to you." Only when blacks know that we remember, will they allow themselves to stop being preoccupied with remembering.
With Christians speaking up for Jews and conservatives hearing blacks' memories, the Democrats will no longer be able to win elections by appealing to black anger and Jewish fear. What a better America that will be.
Dennis Prager hosts a national daily radio show based in Los Angeles and is syndicated by Creators Syndicate. He the author of, most recently, "Happiness is a Serious Problem". You may contact him via email at dennisprager@dennisprager.com and visit his website at http://www.dennisprager.com.
2/5/03
The odds are that you have wondered at one time or another why the great majority of Jews and nearly all blacks vote Democrat. There are, after all, no other ethnic or racial groups that so overwhelmingly and consistently vote either Republican or Democrat.
Moreover, given Jewish values and given blacks' views on a host of important social issues, there is really no compelling reason for blacks and Jews to vote Democrat.
Let us begin with the Jews. Judaism, like every great religion, is essentially conservative: Judaism demands obedience to a judging God and to a moral code set forth thousands of years ago. That is why the more orthodox a Jew is religiously, the less likely he is to be a liberal politically; and the more likely he is to vote Republican. Furthermore, the dominant Jewish issue, the security and survival of the Jewish state, is also unlikely to orient a Jew politically leftward. Even sociologically, Jews voting instinctively Democratic makes little sense. Jews, more than many, consider it shameful to rely on others for welfare, raise their children to believe in hard work, and benefit from a merit-based society. Indeed, even those Jews who vote Democratic usually lead rather conservative lives.
As for blacks, their virtually unanimous voting for the Democratic Party makes even less sense. For one thing, most blacks tend to have socially conservative views (considerably moreso than their fellow Democrats). Blacks tend to be religious, have traditional views on homosexuality and abortion, and believe in school vouchers, a policy strongly opposed by the party nearly all of them vote for. Moreover, while the Democratic Party has brilliantly portrayed itself as the party that made civil rights possible, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the landmark civil rights bills than Democrats.
None of this is meant to suggest that there are no Democratic Party positions that appeal to blacks and Jews. The great majority of blacks apparently do support affirmative action, a position entirely identified with the Democratic Party. And the majority of Jews do support larger government and higher tax rates, fundamental Democratic positions.
But if each party's policy positions were the sole determinants of Jews' and blacks' voting habits, the two groups should evenly divide their votes between the two parties.
Clearly then, it is not Democratic Party positions that explain why so many Jews and blacks vote Democrat. Something deeper must be at work.
That something is fear in the case of Jews and anger in the case of blacks. And both the Jews' fears and the blacks' anger are a result of their respective collective memories.
The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right.
The black memory in question is of white racism. It seems obvious that many African-Americans carry a residual anger against whites and against America as a result of centuries of slavery and racism. They therefore vote for the party most associated with policies (such as affirmative action) ostensibly designed to fight racism (meaning, always, white racism), and which frequently condemns alleged ongoing white racism. And blacks vote against the party they perceive as denying that America continues to be racist, the party that opposes race-based policies, and the party that celebrates America as if it isn't a racist country.
The problem with these memories is not that they are inaccurate; it is that they are no longer accurate. And they therefore paralyze the two groups who hold onto these memories — Jews and blacks.
In Part 2 of this column (next Wednesday) I will explain why these memories and perceptions are no longer accurate (and therefore paralyze blacks and Jews from clearly perceiving the present white, Christian and conservative realities), and what, if anything, Republicans, whites and Christians can do about these unfortunate perceptions. For these perceptions are ultimately bad for Jews, bad for blacks, and bad for America.
Jews and blacks vote Democratic: Part II (Dennis Prager)
TownHall.com ^ | 1/28/03 | Dennis Prager
Part Two:
In Part I, I argued that it is not Democratic positions that most entice nearly all blacks and the great majority of Jews to vote Democrat. Rather this lopsided voting is more a function of the two groups' respective memories.
As a result of millennia of Christian oppression of them, many Jews still fear religion, particularly Christians and Christianity, even though all the Christian anti-Semitism was European; and as a result of the Nazis, many Jews fear anything labeled "right wing." As for blacks, because of centuries of slavery and racism, many black Americans continue to harbor great anger at whites and at America.
If these memories accurately assessed today's white, Christian and right-wing Americans, Jews' and blacks' overwhelming support for the Democrats would surely make sense. Indeed, they would mandate such voting.
But these memories do not apply today, and therefore they are having a paralyzing effect on America's Jews and blacks.
The fact is that most white Americans have changed; most are no longer racist. Regarding race, most white Americans would probably like nothing more than to forget about race, as they no longer deem either their own whiteness or blacks' blackness to be of particular significance. I know from years of speaking to black callers to my radio show, however, that this is almost impossible for many of them to believe. They ask, in effect, "Are we blacks really supposed to believe that in the course of one generation an entire mindset -- that of white racial superiority -- has simply disappeared?"
The answer is largely, though of course not universally, yes. One reason is that most Americans are decent people, another is the non-racist education they have received. A third is the unprecedented personal and media exposure to blacks that this generation of whites has received. And a fourth reason is that in order to believe that skin color determines a person's traits or worth, you have to be not only evil, you have to be an ignoramus; and regarding race, most Americans are no longer ignoramuses. They know too many wonderful people of all races.
As for Jews' fears of American Christians, they are even less fact-based than blacks' continuing anger at whites. American Christians were never the anti-Semites of Jewish memory. Those were European Christians who persecuted Jews for all those years, precisely the Christians that America's (Christian) founders fled to establish this different society. American Jews' fears of American Christians are therefore simply irrational, especially now when Christian Americans (outside of the National Council of Churches) are the Jews' and Israel's most loyal friends.
Memory also explains American Jews' irrational fears of the right. Because the Nazis are widely deemed far rightists (yes, Nazism stood for National Socialism, but no leftists or socialists considered it an ideological ally), Jews continuing to only look rightward for anti-Semitic threats is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because it is like looking only to the right when you cross a two-way street because your grandfather was killed by a car coming from the right. And it is dangerous because since World War II, and at this very moment, the greatest anti-Semitism has come from the left.
The result of all these misperceptions on the part of blacks and Jews is that the Democratic Party understands that in order to maintain its overwhelming black and Jewish support, it must abet black anger at whites and abet Jews' fears of Christians and conservatives. And this they do well, to the great detriment of the country.
There are signs, however, that this strategy, at least vis-a-vis the Jews, is beginning to fail. Many Jewish Democrats are thanking God that Christian conservative Republicans (George W. Bush and Dick Cheney) rather than Democrats (Al Gore and Joseph Lieberman) are in the White House. And as they look around, they find that in a world that once again has a cold spot in its heart for the Jews, virtually all their allies are conservatives.
As for blacks, I am less sanguine about the immediate future. A generation of blacks has been repeatedly told by their leaders, by liberal educators, liberal media, and by the Democratic Party that America and whites are racist. They have also been told that the only way out of the social problems that plague parts of black life is through the Democratic Party.
What then should Republicans do? Talk to and especially listen to blacks. Most blacks want, more than anything else, to know that they are being heard. We can ask blacks not to allow their memories of centuries of racism to cloud their views of America today, but they can ask the rest of us not to forget those centuries. We therefore have to say sincerely to blacks, "We will not forget what this country did to you." Only when blacks know that we remember, will they allow themselves to stop being preoccupied with remembering.
With Christians speaking up for Jews and conservatives hearing blacks' memories, the Democrats will no longer be able to win elections by appealing to black anger and Jewish fear. What a better America that will be.
Dennis Prager hosts a national daily radio show based in Los Angeles and is syndicated by Creators Syndicate. He the author of, most recently, "Happiness is a Serious Problem". You may contact him via email at dennisprager@dennisprager.com and visit his website at http://www.dennisprager.com.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:46 pm
"The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right."
And yet American Zionist toadies like you can't suck Jewish dick fast enough.
My God, what do these people have to do before you wake up?
Mastermind a plot to fly planes into tall buildings on American soil?
:wink:
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right."
And yet American Zionist toadies like you can't suck Jewish dick fast enough.
My God, what do these people have to do before you wake up?
Mastermind a plot to fly planes into tall buildings on American soil?
:wink:
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:03 pm
Martyred wrote:"The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right."
The Blacks Marty...your comments on the Blacks por favor
And yet American Zionist toadies like you can't suck Jewish dick fast enough.
My God, what do these people have to do before you wake up?
Mastermind a plot to fly planes into tall buildings on American soil?
:wink:
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:08 pm
is there a cliff notes version of this thread?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:16 pm
They vote for their class interests.ChargerMike wrote:
The Blacks Marty...your comments on the Blacks por favor
Why does it surprise you they wouldn't vote for the party of the rich?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:39 pm
Martyred wrote:They vote for their class interests.ChargerMike wrote:
The Blacks Marty...your comments on the Blacks por favor
Why does it surprise you they wouldn't vote for the party of the rich?
...doesn't surprise me at all, I was interested on your take on Pragers reasoning!
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:40 pm
Mister Bushice wrote:is there a cliff notes version of this thread?
"The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.
Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right."
Your welcome..Marty
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:37 pm
I would say his reasoning is simplistic and not supported by the facts.ChargerMike wrote:...doesn't surprise me at all, I was interested on your take on Pragers reasoning!
Furthermore, Chimpy's approval rating amongst blacks is 80% lower than the approval rating "enjoyed" by his father with blacks. My question then would be why is Chimpy percieved in such a negative fashion, even in relation to other Republicans, by blacks?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:17 pm
I blame it on Michael Moore. Those uppity mobile blacks all have dvd players now and watched Farenheight 9/11 and think that they now have the inside skinny.
In your own mind, you've already decided on the answer to your question.
So let's just dispose with the annoying foreplay and get straight to the point I know that you're simply dying to make.
Why does Bsmack believe W is so unpopular with blacks?
In your own mind, you've already decided on the answer to your question.
So let's just dispose with the annoying foreplay and get straight to the point I know that you're simply dying to make.
Why does Bsmack believe W is so unpopular with blacks?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:17 am
"Why does Bsmack believe W is so unpopular with blacks?"
...because his undergraduate degree from Yale, and his MBA from Harvard notwithstanding ( not to mention a higher GPA and I.Q. than Kerry ), Bri. still thinks Dubya's little more than an amoeba because of his inability to parse the English language, which puts him in the same catagory as _ _% of Blacks....wait, that should bode well for him :?
...because his undergraduate degree from Yale, and his MBA from Harvard notwithstanding ( not to mention a higher GPA and I.Q. than Kerry ), Bri. still thinks Dubya's little more than an amoeba because of his inability to parse the English language, which puts him in the same catagory as _ _% of Blacks....wait, that should bode well for him :?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:41 am
Parse it? Hell, he can't even SPEAK IT.ChargerMike wrote:"Why does Bsmack believe W is so unpopular with blacks?"
...because his undergraduate degree from Yale, and his MBA from Harvard notwithstanding ( not to mention a higher GPA and I.Q. than Kerry ), Bri. still thinks Dubya's little more than an amoeba because of his inability to parse the English language, which puts him in the same catagory as _ _% of Blacks....wait, that should bode well for him :?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:45 am
BSmack wrote:Parse it? Hell, he can't even SPEAK IT.ChargerMike wrote:"Why does Bsmack believe W is so unpopular with blacks?"
...because his undergraduate degree from Yale, and his MBA from Harvard notwithstanding ( not to mention a higher GPA and I.Q. than Kerry ), Bri. still thinks Dubya's little more than an amoeba because of his inability to parse the English language, which puts him in the same catagory as _ _% of Blacks....wait, that should bode well for him :?
RAAAAAAAAAAACK..
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:56 am
There's your answer.A generation of blacks has been repeatedly told by their leaders, by liberal educators, liberal media, and by the Democratic Party that America and whites are racist. They have also been told that the only way out of the social problems that plague parts of black life is through the Democratic Party.
The reason so many of them prefer life on the Democrat plantation is because the house slaves like Jackson, Sharpton et al gain political influence by keeping them there.
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:59 am
Stupidity? When a group of people align themselves to another party in such a manner that they lose all logical reasoning, they prove just how uniformed and ignornat they are. Until blacks stand up against other backs oppressing them, they will always be used and taken for granted.BSmack wrote:... only 2% of African Americans support Bush?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:10 am
Yeah, but at least he means what he says, and once you translate that into plain English, you'll feel all better about it.BSmack wrote: Parse it? Hell, he can't even SPEAK IT.
Seriously, he says what he is going to do and then goes out and does exactly what he said he was going to do. What a concept.
Or do you still think John Kerry would've made a better CINC?
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:10 am
frodo_biguns wrote:Stupidity? When a group of people align themselves to another party in such a manner that they lose all logical reasoning, they prove just how uniformed and ignornat they are. Until blacks stand up against other backs oppressing them, they will always be used and taken for granted.BSmack wrote:... only 2% of African Americans support Bush?
The Troof.
The 2% figure is probably more factoid than fact. My God, you talk about sheeple Bri. 98% follow the rhetoric of the Rev's? It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:15 am
Back away from the crack pipe. If you think everything that comes out of Bush's mouth is the truth, you better be expecting company in a couple of days, because I've got some shit I want to sell you.War Wagon wrote:Yeah, but at least he means what he says, and once you translate that into plain English, you'll feel all better about it. Seriously, he says what he is going to do and then goes out and does exactly what he said he was going to do. What a concept.
Damn straight he would have. Then again, a retarded chimp would... What am I saying?Or do you still think John Kerry would've made a better CINC?
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:15 am
Irony.frodo_biguns wrote:Stupidity?BSmack wrote:... only 2% of African Americans support Bush?
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:18 am
Over 99% of people going to the Empire State Building don't jump off.ChargerMike wrote:The Troof.
The 2% figure is probably more factoid than fact. My God, you talk about sheeple Bri. 98% follow the rhetoric of the Rev's? It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:20 am
We disagree.BSmack wrote:Damn straight he would have.Or do you still think John Kerry would've made a better CINC?
Sin,
Active duty military.
The majority of veterans.
The vast majority of those who served with him.
The U.S. Electorate.
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:23 am
Bush's extremely low approval rating among blacks is due to the fact that they are drawn to outwardly passionate & charismatic, or silky-smooth orators. One or the other. Bush is neither. He gives them nothing.
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:24 am
BSmack wrote:Over 99% of people going to the Empire State Building don't jump off.ChargerMike wrote:The Troof.
The 2% figure is probably more factoid than fact. My God, you talk about sheeple Bri. 98% follow the rhetoric of the Rev's? It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
much?Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:27 am
That and voting for defending freedom abroad, stimulate the economy at home and reforming the judiciary isn't all that getto.poptart wrote:Bush's extremely low approval rating among blacks is due to the fact that they are drawn to outwardly passionate & charismatic, or silky-smooth orators. One or the other. Bush is neither. He gives them nothing.
Re: Why is it that....
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:28 am
The point is that if a large group of people come to the same conclusion, it might just be because that conclusion serves their better interest, not because Emperor Hillaryantine has used the Dark Side to brainwash them.ChargerMike wrote:BSmack wrote:Over 99% of people going to the Empire State Building don't jump off.ChargerMike wrote:The Troof.
The 2% figure is probably more factoid than fact. My God, you talk about sheeple Bri. 98% follow the rhetoric of the Rev's? It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
It's hard to believe that a group of people, any people, have a large percentage who can't THINK FOR THEMSELVES! That's freeking unbelievable!.
Or did you forget that little red herring?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:36 am
Who said anything about truth? The "truth" is as malleable as certain spin meisters would like to mold it, whichever side of the aisle you reside.BSmack wrote: Back away from the crack pipe. If you think everything that comes out of Bush's mouth is the truth...
Just saying dude is a straight shooter. That's why I voted for and continue to support this President.
Still wondering which horse it is that you're backing in regards to all the racial tripe you continue to toss out.
What's up with that B? Remember when you posted that pic of yourself and I was one of the few to re-act? Talk about a prime candidate for an Aryan nation re-union tour, that'd be YOU.
Yet you got this axe to grind for some fucked up reason over racial equality and I WANT TO KNOW WHY....
Spill it.
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:43 am
BSmack wrote:The point is that if a large group of people come to the same conclusion, it might just be because that conclusion serves their better interest,
...that's the fallacy...it obviously doesn't serve their better interest! Why are they still the most poverty stricken, ghetto living group in America?
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:04 am
I love this thread! Great stuff, but I'm still wondering about why...after the 2004 vote (and many others, but use that as an example), that anyone could still refer to the Republican party as the "party of the rich".
I live in fly-over country. Just look at middle America and all who put W back in office. These are not rich people. I know many folks my parents age and younger who grew up strongly Democrat but now vote Republican against all they used to believe in. They feel like the Democrat party left them. If Democrats would either connect on a value basis, or an economic basis they could relate to, they would be on back on that train in a heartbeat.
Sometimes I wonder just how much local politics comes into it all in the discussion of ethnic groups. As for whites...we are all over the map of America, and the cultural diversity of whites could encompass many stereotypes generally thought of as racial. There is just no ONE white thing. I hate it that we think if this or that as black or Jewish or whatever the ethnic group is that is being discussed. The great diversity within the black and Jewish cultures gets lost, and I'm not sure why. Is it because there are more congregated locations for both groups, like in major cities and all get painted with the same brush, or are in consistently Democratic local city governments so tend to vote along what is more locally relevant? Would be interesting to know. I refuse to believe that it is because "they" are all the same. I've met enough people of many races and cultures to know better.
I live in fly-over country. Just look at middle America and all who put W back in office. These are not rich people. I know many folks my parents age and younger who grew up strongly Democrat but now vote Republican against all they used to believe in. They feel like the Democrat party left them. If Democrats would either connect on a value basis, or an economic basis they could relate to, they would be on back on that train in a heartbeat.
Sometimes I wonder just how much local politics comes into it all in the discussion of ethnic groups. As for whites...we are all over the map of America, and the cultural diversity of whites could encompass many stereotypes generally thought of as racial. There is just no ONE white thing. I hate it that we think if this or that as black or Jewish or whatever the ethnic group is that is being discussed. The great diversity within the black and Jewish cultures gets lost, and I'm not sure why. Is it because there are more congregated locations for both groups, like in major cities and all get painted with the same brush, or are in consistently Democratic local city governments so tend to vote along what is more locally relevant? Would be interesting to know. I refuse to believe that it is because "they" are all the same. I've met enough people of many races and cultures to know better.