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Couldn't beat the Gators.

Couldn't beat the Patriots (when it mattered).

Couldn't beat the AFC's 6th seed in the first round of the playoffs, with homefield advantage and a regular season 13 game winning streak.

Couldn't keep his head up after a little adversity in a playoff game.

Throws teammates under the bus in postgame press conference and weeks later, denies any wrongdoing on ESPN.

Turns into Kurt Warner when his protection breaks down.

Is there a more overrated piece of shit than Peyton Manning?

I dont think he's overrated. He hasnt won a ring but he still has another 5-6 good years in him. I think that this past season was his best chance, but I would like to see him get a ring. If douches like Rypien, Dilfer and Hostetler get one, then I hope he does as well.

A Manning will never get a ring, unless Brady knocks up a Manning chick and that offspring produces a QB with a normal sized dome.

If Indy can get it's pesky 'issues with protection' worked out this off-season I see Manning getting his ring.

Might also help if Peyton could do the 40 yd dash in under 38 seconds.

I guess the AFC had protection issues in the Pro Bowl yesterday too.

Peyton & his brother mini me are both pocket pussies.

End of story......

I can't count Peyton out . He does have one of the best GM's in the NFL , good ownership , and those count big time when building a championship team .

If Roethlisberger and Dilfer can get one , I'm sure Manning can .

Cicero wrote: If douches like Rypien, Dilfer and Hostetler......

Hoss does not belong in the same category as pineapple grill and dilbert. Hoss was money when Simms went down.....but to your point, ya, if worse comes to worse Peyton will gravytrain a contender in his twilight years and probably get a ring.

WAR naked bootlegs!!!!

I am curious though. How many times has the scoreboard for an IND opponent read "0" after the first quarter?

WhatsMyName wrote:Couldn't beat the Gators.

Couldn't beat the Patriots (when it mattered).

Couldn't beat the AFC's 6th seed in the first round of the playoffs, with homefield advantage and a regular season 13 game winning streak.

Couldn't keep his head up after a little adversity in a playoff game.

Throws teammates under the bus in postgame press conference and weeks later, denies any wrongdoing on ESPN.

Turns into Kurt Warner when his protection breaks down.

Is there a more overrated piece of shit than Peyton Manning?

You asked!

Favre. Yes, he is. But at least he had a nutsack in the playoffs in the mid 90's.

Dumbass wrote:I am curious though. How many times has the scoreboard for an IND opponent read "0" after the first quarter?

9 of their 16 games this year

Talk about a good thread hitting a brick freaking wall...

Favre overrated? Huh?

Dumbasses...

I think the Colts will contend as long as he's their QB...still not sure if he's capable of winning the big one though.

mvscal wrote:I don't see why not. They have the talent. All they need now is the luck.

Yep. It's only a matter of time. People didn't think Elway was going to win one either.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

mvscal wrote:I don't see why not. They have the talent. All they need now is the luck.

Yep. It's only a matter of time. People didn't think Elway was going to win one either.

Elway didn't get his until he had a running game. Gump had a running game, but it looks like he'll be losing that Edge real soon.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

mvscal wrote:I don't see why not. They have the talent. All they need now is the luck.

Yep. It's only a matter of time. People didn't think Elway was going to win one either.

People didn't think Marino was going to win one either.

And I'll bet everyone thought Trent Dilfer would win one.

I say no. Peyton's thumbprints are never going to be on a team more than they were this past few seasons.

Let me familiarize you with a concept. Football is a team sport. When One Player grabs too much, then it's One Player against 11 opponents. Peyton chokes in big games. It would be better for him if a coordinator told him exactly what plays to run and when...because he isn't in a position to do so himself, not in today's game.

He cries about protection as if the pocket is his birthright...he's actually surprised that someone had the temerity to step in. Pathetic.

When the chips are down, when he's facing 11 guys and a coordinator that has guided a defense into contention for a title, Peyton is outgunned. I'll take his opponent every time.

Let me familiarize you with a concept. Football is a team sport. When One Player grabs too much, then it's One Player against 11 opponents. Peyton chokes in big games.

Agreed, rack PSUFAN.

Sincerely,

Edgerrin James

PSUFAN wrote:Peyton chokes in big games.

That divisional game vs Pittsburgh was probably Peyton's best "big game" of his career. He didn't do anything to choke it away. He threw for 300 yards, a TD and committed no INTs. At some point you have to look at factors other than JUST the QB.

At some point you have to look at factors other than JUST the QB.

That's exactly the point I'm making. Too much of the gameplan resides in one dude's performance. Shut him down, and you win. Joey Porter was sent on a blitz that Peyton, in his infinite field wisdom, was totally unprepared for. How was this possible? A coordinator made it happen.

Imagine that, Peyton...a coordinator...e fucking gads.

At some point you have to look at factors other than JUST the QB.

Why not criticize the QB? His lack of poise, happy feet, and continual over throws were in particular a factor in the out come. As was the lack of opportunities Edge had. Peyton through tantrums better than balls in that divisional game.

But that was his best performance in a divisional game?

That really says it all.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:He threw for 300 yards, a TD and committed no INTs.

1. He did not throw for 300 yards.

2. As a matter of fact, he did throw an INT, by rule.

3. That interception, which was improperly ruled an incomplete pass, drove the proverbial nail in Indy's coffin. So therefore, Manning buckled right under pressure, as per usual.

4. Only after getting away with cold blooded murder did Manning do most of his damage through the air.

It was almost like a dream sequence when I was watching Manning make that "comeback," because it didn't even feel real. Probably because it shouldn't have been. Especially after seeing Polamalu make a great play, only to go unrewarded. Imagine if the refs took away Manning's touchdown pass to Dallas Clark. Would the game even be close? No. So when the shoe's on the other foot, Manning is an even bigger choker.

290 yards. Man do I feel like a retard.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:290 yards. Man do I feel like a retard.

The 290 wasn't a big deal. But here's where you really went wrong.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:He didn't do anything to choke it away.

Actually...



...he did.

Thankfully for Manning, he got away with one.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:At some point you have to look at factors other than JUST the QB.

Like the kicker?

Fine, he choked too.

But guess what? Would Vanderjagt have been the goat of the game had the official properly credited Manning with an interception? No, Manning would've been the guy blasted on the front page of ESPN.com. You know it and I know it.

So essentially, your whole argument for Manning not choking the game away hinges upon an incorrect call that haphazardly went in Manning's favor. LOL!

But let's do a flashback. Let's take a look at some of those "factors other than JUST the QB" in Manning's other playoff losses, shall we?




2002
AFC Wildcard Game: lost 0 - 41 at New York Jets

It's one thing if Manning lost 41-38. Quite another when you can't even muster a single, solitary point.

2003
AFC Championship Game: lost 14 - 24 at New England Patriots

Colts trailed 21-7 until the final 3 minutes of the game, where Manning threw his 1st touchdown of the day. I suppose we should blame the defense for not holding the Pats to 7 points or fewer?

2004
AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 3 - 20 at New England Patriots

Again, if the Colts had a DEFENSE and just pitched a shut-out, Manning wins!

Seriously, this guy has a pattern that dates back to college. He chokes in the big games, and he is the biggest contributing factor to why his team chokes every single year.

If an isolated play by Manning was the reason the Colts lost, then I'd say the TEAM didn't do enough to win the game. Individual players will make individual mistakes. Roethlisburger made mistakes throughout the playoffs, but his teammates were playing at a very high level.

WhatsMyName wrote:Seriously, this guy has a pattern that dates back to college. He chokes in the big games, and he is the biggest contributing factor to why his team chokes every single year.

Well said.
Sin~
Tee Martin

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:If an isolated play by Manning was the reason the Colts lost...

An isolated play wasn't the reason the Colts lost.

A series of stupid plays by Manning, combined with said isolated play, were all contributing factors to the loss.

...then I'd say the TEAM didn't do enough to win the game

Tee Martin didn't have that excuse, did he?

The biggest problem for Manning is his extreme lack of mobility.

Marino had a very similar limitation, and it's no coincidence that he was also not able to win a Super Bowl.

In this day and age, a QB needs to work effectively from the pocket, but also have at least a bit of ability to move from the pocket and use his legs.

[Trent Dilfer]I don't think it's impossible for Manning to win a Super Bowl[/Trent Dilfer], but if I was a betting man I would bet against it.

Well if Manning needs the greatest defense in NFL history to get over the hump, that should tell you all you need to know about Stat Boy and the playoffs.

poptart wrote:The biggest problem for Manning is his extreme lack of mobility.

Marino had a very similar limitation, and it's no coincidence that he was also not able to win a Super Bowl.

In this day and age, a QB needs to work effectively from the pocket, but also have at least a bit of ability to move from the pocket and use his legs.

[Trent Dilfer]I don't think it's impossible for Manning to win a Super Bowl[/Trent Dilfer], but if I was a betting man I would bet against it.

Or , build a stellar O-line and use better protection schemes , like Aikman , ( who wasn't moblie either ) had .

That's right.

Dallas had one of THE all-time best o-lines.

Akiman's mobility was 'bout on par with Manning.

poptart wrote:That's right.

Dallas had one of THE all-time best o-lines.

Akiman's mobility was 'bout on par with Manning.

Too bad Indy can't trade Hershel Walker to somebody.

Bwhaha rack the beagle....nice job Bri...

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Sorry to bump a really old thread...but as I read this, I am more and more convinced. Manning will never get over that hump as lng as he is in a position where he trumps his own sideline. One guy cannot beat an entire team and an entire opposing coaching staff. The offense becomes far too one-dimensional, and a coordinator will bring blitzes derived from overhead cam shots, from the input of many coaches, from the reports from players on the field. Sure, Manning smokes the AFC for most of the season, but inevitably, he faces a defense that is well-constructed, and he cannot get past it alone.

PSUFAN wrote: Sorry to bump a really old thread...

Yeah, me too. Does WhatsMyTroll still post here?

Please to explain then, what "trumping your own sideline" means?

I am not familiar with this action.

Last I checked, it was football and not Pinochle.

I am not familiar with English.

no fucking kidding.

Wags

i think what PSU is getting at is...

~Manning is smarter than his Coaches.

~His Coaches can't cover his Flaw of "Mobility."

~you can't spell pinnochle.


will Peyton WIN the BiG one....evahhhhh???

all i can say is that Bernie J Kosar has a RING as a back~up for the Cowpokes!

we'll see how it plays out...

G0d....the offseason SUCKS!

did Chris Henry get arrested this week??????

Yes, but the difference is that Horsetooth had a fair amount of playoff success before he finally cashed in BIG.

Manning is 3-6 in the playoffs.

Will Peyton get a ring?

Only if Kenny Chesney gives him one.