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VINCE'S PICK-SIX IS CONFIRMED

We've confirmed that Texas quarterback Vince Young has indeed scored a measly six on the Wonderlic test, administered annually to the potential members of the draft class at the scouting combine.



Said one league insider, "It's also the number of the round he'll be drafted in."



There's a significant buzz in Indy regarding the ridiculously low marks. Though we're not quite sure that there's much of a correlation between book smarts and football ability, we've got a feeling that, of all positions, quarterback is the one that requires at least some basic cognitive ability.


Unless, of course, the offense consists of making one read and then pulling the ball down and running -- which is the very approach the team that drafts Young might have to employ.


Though the suggestion that Young will last until round six is an exaggeration, the thinking is that he lost millions of dollars via his poor performance on the test, and that it's now a virtual certainty that Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler will pass him in round one.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

A fucking six? Yeah, he'll do real well.

I posted this in the college room as well. Many of us don't cross and vice versa.

And so begins the fall of Vince Young from #1 pick to mid to late first rounder. I wonder if he hired an agent?

Terry Bradshaw wasn't a Rhode scholar and he did pretty well I'd say.


I don't give a fuck if he can give me the molecular structure of water. Just as long as he can win football games.

The Assassin wrote:Terry Bradshaw wasn't a Rhode scholar and he did pretty well I'd say.

I don't give a fuck if he can give me the molecular structure of water. Just as long as he can win football games.

The difference was, Bradshaw COULD spell cat. I'm not so sure that a guy who scores a 6 can even manage that. Here, take a look at some sample questions.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

If you score a 6 on the wonderlich you are a flat out m0ron.

Bradshaw was dumb like a fox.

Also, he had a cannon for an arm.

Young is not only an idi0t, but he hasn't demonstrated that he can consistently throw a good deep ball.


Btw, and for what it's worth, V. Young's daddy has been in and out of prison, and is currently serving 16 yrs for various violations.

Vince is a freak athlete...nobody ever said he was a rocket scientist.

Former Raider Philip Buchanon was seriously about the dumbest person I've ever heard speak.

He scored an 11 on the Wonderlic.

I wouldn't want a guy who's only 'bout HALF as smart as dipshit Buchanon running my NFL offense.

A 'freak athlete' idiot is fine and dandy if you're asking him to just line up and beat someone with his God-given physical ability.

But you know what? That's pretty much what Texas did with V. Young.

Here Vince, we'll have you fake the hand off, and when a lot of the white jerseys go left you can just take off right and beat a couple of jerseys on the other side into the end zone.


This 6 score is trouble for Vince.

poptart wrote:Btw, and for what it's worth, V. Young's daddy has been in and out of prison, and is currently serving 16 yrs for various violations.

That right there is worth a Willam Green alert.

Found that Reinard WIlson actually got a fucking "4" on the test in 1997. Those FSU athletes sure are smart.

...unfortunately the Raiduhs draft too early to take a flyer on Vince. :P uh Janakowski notwithstanding..then again Alice did pick up Lawrence Phillips (among many others) who was slightly more cognizant than a speed bump, sucker did run a 4.23 though

Packers lead the pack in low Wonderlic scores
Posted: Oct. 1, 2005
SportsDay



Bob Wolfley
If you happen to think it takes smarts to play pro football, now there's another reason to throw into the mix, according to a story in the Friday edition of the Wall Street Journal.

How can this be said delicately without offending anyone's self-esteem?

The Packers are stupid. There's no other way to put it.


They have the lowest average Wonderlic score of any of the 32 teams in the National Football League, according to the Journal.

The Wonderlic Personnel Test is a standardized 12-minute 50-question problem-solving exam used by the league to evaluate players. Thousands of other businesses use it to measure applicants.

The players on the Packers' roster have an average Wonderlic score of 19.1, according to the Journal. They were just edged by the Arizona Cardinals, who averaged 19.2 and have started the season just like the Packers, 0-3. The Journal said 19.1 is the typical score for "hospital orderlies."

The Packers have nine players on their roster who scored below 14 on the test. The best score is 50.

A Packers spokesman could not be reached for comment.

"Averages are for players currently on each team's roster and for which scores are available - generally drafted players who entered the league in the past seven years," the Journal says over a grid ranking the teams from highest to lowest. The newspaper found the scores for 1,021 players, about 60% of the players in the league. Players who took the test before 1999 were not included in the ranking.

The St. Louis Rams have the smartest team, with a 24.6 average, followed by Oakland , Tennessee, Tampa Bay and San Diego.

So the moral of the story is, Wonderlic scores have not a fucking thing to do with your win column. Interesting.

ChargerMike wrote:...unfortunately the Raiduhs draft too early to take a flyer on Vince. :P uh Janakowski notwithstanding..then again Alice did pick up Lawrence Phillips (among many others) who was slightly more cognizant than a speed bump, sucker did run a 4.23 though

When was Lawrence Phillips EVER a Raider?

Take a lap Michael. And in response to your critique of our draft picks.Two words..Ryan Leaf

The Assassin wrote:

ChargerMike wrote:...unfortunately the Raiduhs draft too early to take a flyer on Vince. :P uh Janakowski notwithstanding..then again Alice did pick up Lawrence Phillips (among many others) who was slightly more cognizant than a speed bump, sucker did run a 4.23 though

When was Lawrence Phillips EVER a Raider?

Take a lap Michael. And in response to your critique of our draft picks.Two words..Ryan Leaf

... it was so close to happening I just couldn't help myself. Actuall, I thought I remembered the Raiduhs actually signing Phillips. My apoligies JT....and I'll take 2 laps for this one.


http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/art ... 300-p.html

Raiders cut Williams, praise Phillips
JUNE 18, 1999





ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Tailback Harvey Williams, who rushed for 1,114 yards for the Raiders four seasons ago but was shuttled between tight end and fullback the past two years, was cut by Oakland as the team opened minicamp Friday.

Williams, one of the few remaining players from the Raiders team that moved back to Oakland from Los Angeles in 1995, lost his starting job to Napoleon Kaufman three years ago.

"It was tough. Harvey's a good football player and I know he's going to play good football somewhere else," said coach Jon Gruden, who said he wanted to give several tailbacks on the roster a chance to get more playing time in minicamp.

Williams was a first-round pick of the Kansas City Chiefs in 1991 and was signed by the Raiders as a free agent in April 1994. He ran for 983 yards for the Raiders in 1994 and had 1,114 yards and nine touchdowns rushing the following season.

Kaufman became the starter in 1996, limiting Williams to 431 yards on 121 carries, and Williams rushed for just 70 yards in 1997 while spending most of his time at tight end. Last season, he had 496 yards on 128 carries and also caught 26 passes for 173 yards.

Kaufman, who had the locker next to Williams at the team's training camp, said he'll miss his former backfield mate.

"It feels strange when your friends leave," Kaufman said. "I learned a lot from his game. I saw the situations that arose with him, such as the move to tight end. But when he came in here he was a class act, he never really complained. He's a great back, he can do a lot of things."

The Raiders earlier this month signed former Heisman Trophy winner Rashaan Salaam, who rushed for 1,074 yards in 1995 as a rookie for the Chicago Bears but missed all of last season following surgery on his right ankle.

Oakland also is following the performance of controversial running back Lawrence Phillips, who is playing for the Barcelona Dragons in NFL Europe. Phillips, whose off-field problems have included domestic violence and drunken driving, was dumped by the St. Louis Rams and Miami Dolphins.

"I speak for just about everybody in football that realizes he's a talented guy. He's clearly the marquee player in the World League," Gruden said. "You've got to admire what he's doing over there."

Phillips rushed for 613 yards and eight touchdowns in his first six games with Barcelona. The Dragons' season could go until late June if they make the championship game.

"I have spoken to (the Raiders), and they have spoken about their interest in Lawrence," said Mitch Frankel, Phillips' agent. "That seems to be their indication, that they would like to have Lawrence with them next season. We will revisit with them after the end of the (NFL Europe) season, and then Lawrence will make a decision."

Phillips, 24, was the sixth player selected in the 1996 NFL draft and had 1,309 yards on 394 carries in two seasons with St. Louis. But he was cut by the Rams after repeatedly missing practices and did not last long with Miami.

"I don't like to judge beforehand," Gruden said, adding that he has never met Phillips. "I like to judge someone after I've talked with him."

The Raiders also signed free agent wide receiver Horace Copeland on Friday. He has played in 61 games for Miami and Tampa Bay since entering the NFL in 1993.

Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

ChargerMike wrote:

The Assassin wrote:

ChargerMike wrote:...unfortunately the Raiduhs draft too early to take a flyer on Vince. :P uh Janakowski notwithstanding..then again Alice did pick up Lawrence Phillips (among many others) who was slightly more cognizant than a speed bump, sucker did run a 4.23 though

When was Lawrence Phillips EVER a Raider?

Take a lap Michael. And in response to your critique of our draft picks.Two words..Ryan Leaf

... it was so close to happening I just couldn't help myself. Actuall, I thought I remembered the Raiduhs actually signing Phillips. My apoligies JT....and I'll take 2 laps for this one.


http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/art ... 300-p.html

Raiders cut Williams, praise Phillips
JUNE 18, 1999





ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Tailback Harvey Williams, who rushed for 1,114 yards for the Raiders four seasons ago but was shuttled between tight end and fullback the past two years, was cut by Oakland as the team opened minicamp Friday.

Williams, one of the few remaining players from the Raiders team that moved back to Oakland from Los Angeles in 1995, lost his starting job to Napoleon Kaufman three years ago.

"It was tough. Harvey's a good football player and I know he's going to play good football somewhere else," said coach Jon Gruden, who said he wanted to give several tailbacks on the roster a chance to get more playing time in minicamp.

Williams was a first-round pick of the Kansas City Chiefs in 1991 and was signed by the Raiders as a free agent in April 1994. He ran for 983 yards for the Raiders in 1994 and had 1,114 yards and nine touchdowns rushing the following season.

Kaufman became the starter in 1996, limiting Williams to 431 yards on 121 carries, and Williams rushed for just 70 yards in 1997 while spending most of his time at tight end. Last season, he had 496 yards on 128 carries and also caught 26 passes for 173 yards.

Kaufman, who had the locker next to Williams at the team's training camp, said he'll miss his former backfield mate.

"It feels strange when your friends leave," Kaufman said. "I learned a lot from his game. I saw the situations that arose with him, such as the move to tight end. But when he came in here he was a class act, he never really complained. He's a great back, he can do a lot of things."

The Raiders earlier this month signed former Heisman Trophy winner Rashaan Salaam, who rushed for 1,074 yards in 1995 as a rookie for the Chicago Bears but missed all of last season following surgery on his right ankle.

Oakland also is following the performance of controversial running back Lawrence Phillips, who is playing for the Barcelona Dragons in NFL Europe. Phillips, whose off-field problems have included domestic violence and drunken driving, was dumped by the St. Louis Rams and Miami Dolphins.

"I speak for just about everybody in football that realizes he's a talented guy. He's clearly the marquee player in the World League," Gruden said. "You've got to admire what he's doing over there."

Phillips rushed for 613 yards and eight touchdowns in his first six games with Barcelona. The Dragons' season could go until late June if they make the championship game.

"I have spoken to (the Raiders), and they have spoken about their interest in Lawrence," said Mitch Frankel, Phillips' agent. "That seems to be their indication, that they would like to have Lawrence with them next season. We will revisit with them after the end of the (NFL Europe) season, and then Lawrence will make a decision."

Phillips, 24, was the sixth player selected in the 1996 NFL draft and had 1,309 yards on 394 carries in two seasons with St. Louis. But he was cut by the Rams after repeatedly missing practices and did not last long with Miami.

"I don't like to judge beforehand," Gruden said, adding that he has never met Phillips. "I like to judge someone after I've talked with him."

The Raiders also signed free agent wide receiver Horace Copeland on Friday. He has played in 61 games for Miami and Tampa Bay since entering the NFL in 1993.

Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Damn! Harvey Williams!!Havent heard that name in years!

WhatsMyName wrote:So the moral of the story is, Wonderlic scores have not a fucking thing to do with your win column, but can surley cost you millions by lowering your draft position. Interesting.

FTFY

I took a look at the sample test. I'm quite certain my 8 yr old could score higher than a 6. We're working on the deep ball right now. :D

mvscal wrote:Bullshit story.

Correct. The NFL does not even release the scores to teams until next week.


If Vince Young falls in the draft it's because his throwing mechanics suck and he apparently does not have one of the stronger arms of the qb draft class this year.