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Goddammit, WTF is Mack putting in the the water down there. I think you guys got a good one in Andre Jones. Thought we domers had a chance at him. Will you guys take 6 OL if Trey Allen wants to be a horn? He could be the best of the bunch.

Legacy5.5 wrote:Goddammit, WTF is Mack putting in the the water down there. I think you guys got a good one in Andre Jones. Thought we domers had a chance at him. Will you guys take 6 OL if Trey Allen wants to be a horn? He could be the best of the bunch.

I guess math isn't your strong suit since Andre Jones makes Nos 11. Yes, Texas will likely hold a ship for Allen til the end.

Yeah I struggle with the whole Mathamatics thing. Fortunately I could still attend Texas and be A Golden God.
Perhaps I should tutor the football team.

Legacy: Vince, can you tell me the next number in this sequence: 1,2,3...?
VY: Ummmmmmmm 2nd Round?

T Rex: Vince you dumbass the answer is Urban Meyer........

I doubt it since Texas is Ranked higher than Notre Dame and is much tougher to get into. But thanks for playing.

BTW Texas is now up to 12 commitments this is off of one Junior day after which they brought in most of the elite athletes in the state. Funny thing is they offered 6 olinemen, 3 committed on the spot one a day later and finally the last one 2 days later. Not bad odds, the only one left is Allen and he is such a badass they will hold a ship for him till the end. One or two of the guys committed will Gray shirt and enter in January 2k8

As for all the commits in general right now they project to be 9 4-star and 3 3-stars. I'll take that any day. So far the only kids that got offers that did not commit are:

QB Ryan Mallet
OT Trey Allen
LB Richatti Jones
QB John Chiles
WR Ahmad Paige
LB Derrick Stephens
CB Dionte Allen
CB Gary Gray
Athlete Lennon Creer

For those keeping count Texas has 21 offers out and 12 commits so far.

This was after one Junior day. BTW I expect that Chiles, Jones and Creer will pull the trigger in the coming week or two.

Vito Corleone wrote:I doubt it since Texas is Ranked higher than Notre Dame and is much tougher to get into. But thanks for playing.

Based on what? I have no idea who is or is not ranked higher, but percentage wise, I would wager that ND is tougher to get into.

I got into Texas, got wait listed at ND. I would say UND is tougher to get into, but Texas is a great public school. Great Law School too.

Cicero, when did you apply to Texas? When I got into Texas it wasn't nearly as tough to get into as it is now. I got in as a transfer student back in 94 when getting in wasn't that hard. I couldn't get in today, my cousin was put on a waiting list and was admitted in the summer, she graduated in the top 5% of her class with a 3.95 GPA.

The top high school in Texas is St Thomas in Dallas, they are a pipeline to the Ivey league, I know of kids at St Thomas who got accepted to schools like Penn, Dartmouth, and Yale that did not get into Texas. This is not saying that Texas is a better school but it has a lot to do with admissions laws setup by the Texas government that basically says that if you graduate in the top 10% of your class you are automatically admitted to Texas or A&M. This is a problem for ultra competitive schools like St Thomas who have kids in the top Quarter that are very qualified but not in the magic 10%.

#13 Russell Carter, DE. He's supposed to be the top DE in state, and should play alongside Eddie Jones, Andre Jones, and Lamarr Houston on the D-line.

Niiiice.

Vito Corleone wrote:
The top high school in Texas is St Thomas in Dallas, they are a pipeline to the Ivey league, I know of kids at St Thomas who got accepted to schools like Penn, Dartmouth, and Yale that did not get into Texas.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Yea but when you applied roller disco and bell bottoms were still in style. Things have changed since the late 70's.

Actually I'm older :D

Still same difference, you were at OU around the same time I was at Texas. I could not get into Texas today. I went JC/CC before enrolling at Texas, I had a 3.75 GPA when I got in, that is not close to good enough today. Kids are getting turned down with 3.9 GPAs. Kids at the really good high schools in Texas are finding it easier to get into higher ranked out of state schools than Texas because they get so many applicants it is unreal.

I would have been admitted to t.u if I applied...but why would I?

I was a soccer player and golfer in high school. Wanted to go to A&M since I was 12 or so. I had scholarship offers to Sam Houston, SFA and Henderson State for golf but I wanted to be an Aggie. Coach Ellis, at A&M, didn't want me.

Came in 3rd in my freshman year at A&M in the walk-on golf tourney. They took the top 2. Basically quit golfing at that point.

Back to the topic...I have a hard time believing it is harder to get into t.u. than it is to go into ND. They have a MUCH smaller student body with probably just as many "qualified" applicants.

IndyFrisco wrote:I would have been admitted to t.u if I applied...but why would I?

I was a soccer player and golfer in high school. Wanted to go to A&M since I was 12 or so. I had scholarship offers to Sam Houston, SFA and Henderson State for golf but I wanted to be an Aggie. Coach Ellis, at A&M, didn't want me.

Came in 3rd in my freshman year at A&M in the walk-on golf tourney. They took the top 2. Basically quit golfing at that point.

Back to the topic...I have a hard time believing it is harder to get into t.u. than it is to go into ND. They have a MUCH smaller student body with probably just as many "qualified" applicants.

Texas past admission standards and present admission standards are very different. unless you graduated from high school in the top 10% of your class I highly doubt you could get into Texas now. Not saying you couldn't do the work just that getting in is much more difficult.

I was top 5% in HS so I probably could have gotten in but like I said, why would I want to? ;)

Legacy5.5 wrote:Goddammit, WTF is Mack putting in the the water down there. I think you guys got a good one in Andre Jones. Thought we domers had a chance at him. Will you guys take 6 OL if Trey Allen wants to be a horn? He could be the best of the bunch.

Back on point, ND is doing very well. While they only have one committment, I would expect one or two before the spring game, and then I bet Clausen commits while he is there, which will then be followed by a few more, most notably, Arrelious Benn.

By the end of spring, I wouldn't be surprised to see ND have committments from Neal, Clausen, Benn, Little, Trattaou, and Ragone. Not a bad start.

Killian, I would be very happy with that list to start with. I would also love to see Marvin Austin added to the early group to take the Defensive Tackle pressure off a bit.

Yeah, I would too, but he said he's making his choice at the Army AA game, if he is selected. If Sidel Corley gets an offer, he may be added to that above list.

Yeah, if I'd have given a shit about Tejas, I could have gone there too. It's funny when you're National Merit, all the doors it opens (scholastically) and closes (social) at the same time... :D Right Froz? Lol.

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Killian wrote:

Legacy5.5 wrote:Goddammit, WTF is Mack putting in the the water down there. I think you guys got a good one in Andre Jones. Thought we domers had a chance at him. Will you guys take 6 OL if Trey Allen wants to be a horn? He could be the best of the bunch.

Back on point, ND is doing very well. While they only have one committment, I would expect one or two before the spring game, and then I bet Clausen commits while he is there, which will then be followed by a few more, most notably, Arrelious Benn.

By the end of spring, I wouldn't be surprised to see ND have committments from Neal, Clausen, Benn, Little, Trattaou, and Ragone. Not a bad start.

ND is in on some major Texas talent this year, you may have missed out on Jones but you will probably get 4 or 5 other guys. The biggest name is OL Pozderec who is a ND legacy.

I now think Michigan will get Mallet, its hard to say but it looks like a lot will depend on how well our freshmen QBs do. Texas looks like they lead for Chiles who might be a better fit for Texas.

The only issue with Pozderec is if he gets an offer from ND. ND likes him at this point, but there are other olineman they like better. They will be very selective along the oline and take 4 guys. Right now, I think they are going after Oglesby, Allen, Matha, Miller and one other guy who I can't think of off the top of my head.

ND would love to get Chiles, but he wants no part of WR.

Vito Corleone wrote:I doubt it since Texas is Ranked higher than Notre Dame and is much tougher to get into. But thanks for playing.

Dear God where do you come up with this shit Vito . You are a tool, there is no other explanation other than hard core drug use. Texass is harder to get into than a major private Catholic school.

Numerous kids of my high school were accepted to UT. There was a girl I knew that wanted to go to Notre Dame and got wait listed but was offered numerous scholorships by UT to get her on campus in Austin. This was a couple of years after you went to texass.

Vito, I have your back on this one.

While I am not going to defend your comment about Texas being ranked higher than ND, I will say that it is very subjective. For example if I wanted a business degree I would take the McCombs school over the Mendoza anyday. On the other hand if I wanted a creative writing degree I would choose ND. Just because USNews puts out a ranking doesn't make one school better than another. Nor do I think you can say the education at ND is any better than at Texas. I would love to see someone try to prove that.

Now about the admissions process. First everyone needs to understand the 10% rule in Texas. Back in the early 90's a woman, C. Hopwood, applied to the Univ of Texas School of Law. She was not accepted and couldn't understand why. She started digging around and found that Texas, as did many schools, had sliding scales for admission based on race. Armed with this info she sued Texas saying that if she was a minority she would have been accepted. The case went to the 5th court of appeals who ruled in her favor that using race as a factor in admissions was unconsitutional. Texas appealed to the Supreme Court saying they needed to have a sliding scale in order to maintain diversity on campus. The Supreme Court refused to hear that case and as such the 5th Circuit's ruling was upheld.

As a result of this case public schools under this court's jurisdicition can no longer use race as a factor in admissions. There could be no reverse discrimination in these schools and many worried that they would become much less diverse. They argued that if everyone was held to the same standards their student body would become very white and asian.

In response to this the Texas Legislature attempted to ensure diversity by passing a law that said any student who finished in the top 10% of their Texas Public High School could attend any Texas public university. As soon as that law went into effect the number of freshman at UT climbed like crazy. Many white students who wouldn't have been accepted prior to this law, now were guarenteed a spot. UT also didn't want Frosh classes of 20K students, so as such the number of out of state and other highly qualified students outside of the state public HS top 10% fell thru the floor.

So if you want to go to Texas and you are not in the top 10% of a Texas public High School good luck! Texas is actually more selective than RICE when it comes to out of state or private school students.

Further, props to Ms. Hopwood for taking the reverse discrimination fight to court for all of us. Props to the courts for upholding it. Going to college isn't a right, it is a privilage and spots shouldn't be handed out in some sort of social engineering project.

Left Seater wrote:So if you want to go to Texas and you are not in the top 10% of a Texas public High School or you can't beat USC in the NC game by yourself, good luck! Texas is actually more selective than RICE when it comes to out of state or private school students.

FTFY.

Didn't know that Lefty. I graduated from a Texass HS guess that had something to do with it. But that doesn't reinforce his argument for Texass being harder to get into though. Texass is what, the second or third largest state population wise in the country? 10% of each high school class automatically getting in isn'y exactly a small number. They just made it more difficult for out of state students to get in. Notre Dame doesn't have to worry about that though cause they are a private instituition

Killian wrote:Yeah, I would too, but he said he's making his choice at the Army AA game, if he is selected. If Sidel Corley gets an offer, he may be added to that above list.

If he has ND in his top 3 and he wants to make his decision at the game....something tells me he will get an invite to the AA game. :wink:

Yep, exactly what I was saying. Texas is more selective than RICE when it comes to out of state students.

TheChief wrote:

Killian wrote:Yeah, I would too, but he said he's making his choice at the Army AA game, if he is selected. If Sidel Corley gets an offer, he may be added to that above list.

If he has ND in his top 3 and he wants to make his decision at the game....something tells me he will get an invite to the AA game. :wink:

I fucking hate Lemming. I hate those stupid All Star games, I hate all of it. If I had my way, not one ND recruit would play in an all star game.

I just had to throw that out there!


Anyway, you guys are looking good for a lot of big names out there...props to you my man

I think we are going to take 14 - 16 kids next year, but for right now, we are looking OUTSTANDING for some top notch kids...Pounceys', Brown, Monroe, Rainey...basically the whole Lakeland Football team.

TheChief wrote:I just had to throw that out there!


Anyway, you guys are looking good for a lot of big names out there...props to you my man

I think we are going to take 14 - 16 kids next year, but for right now, we are looking OUTSTANDING for some top notch kids...Pounceys', Brown, Monroe, Rainey...basically the whole Lakeland Football team.

Still think Lakeland is over rated. South Lake Carrol in Texass would probably pummel them. Niceville got robbed by the officials in the playoffs at any rate or they wouldn't have even been in the state title game last year. Just sayin'.

I'll take two OL, one DT, one RB, and one TE from Lakeland. Do you think all five of those players are over rated or just a few of them? For one I think John Brown and the Twin Towers are going to be very good. Especially John Brown.

TheChief wrote:I'll take two OL, one DT, one RB, and one TE from Lakeland. Do you think all five of those players are over rated or just a few of them? For one I think John Brown and the Twin Towers are going to be very good. Especially John Brown.

I said the team not specific players. Sorry, I went up to see that game at Niceville in the playoffs just to see the lakeland boys and Niceville out played them but got robbed by the officiating. It was obvious they were setting up the state final as I heard some eerily similar stories from the St. Aquanis (?) game as well down south. All I was really doing was bitching about them getting the game handed to them on a silver platter by the zebras.

Hey Chief, you hear anything about Armando Allen?

Killian wrote:Hey Chief, you hear anything about Armando Allen?

K, I would be very surprised if he is not a Nole when it is all said and done by the way his interviews are going. Some of the crazys on the Miami rivals board think he is better than Devine. I watched both tapes and Devine is a freak of nature, but I think Allen is pretty good also.

Hopefully for his sake his head is screwed on tighter than Devine's.

IndyFrisco wrote:Hopefully for his sake his head is screwed on tighter than Devine's.

All signs point to that being the case, to say Devine has had some issues would be slightly understated.


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Legacy5.5 wrote:

IndyFrisco wrote:Hopefully for his sake his head is screwed on tighter than Devine's.

All signs point to that being the case, to say Devine has had some issues would be slightly understated.


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Legacy5.5 wrote:

Killian wrote:Hey Chief, you hear anything about Armando Allen?

K, I would be very surprised if he is not a Nole when it is all said and done by the way his interviews are going. Some of the crazys on the Miami rivals board think he is better than Devine. I watched both tapes and Devine is a freak of nature, but I think Allen is pretty good also.

As of right now there is no way to tell what Allen will do. Every nole fan in America would have told you Percy Harvin was signed, sealed, and delivered at this time last year. One things for sure, Allen is lightning fast (4.31 electronic), which could actually hurt ND's chances. He says that he wants to be a two sport athlete with track and football. I just don't see him running track in South Bend.

We will probably take one of Devine, Rainey, or Allen out of Florida and call it a day. Honestly, I expect each of the big three to take one of these three players.
The more I think about these three backs, I find myself hoping that we take Noel Devine. We are currently loaded at RB and I would like to see us take a chance on Devine. He is definitely the most special of the three, based on all three individuals clips I've watched from Rivals. If he turns out to be a Fred Rouse, then dismiss him and move on to the next year. I think Rainey/Allen are simply too small. I'm sure they can ball, but there is only ONE Warrick Dunn and the chances of finding another one are slim.

As for the ND chances on Allen, it's just too early. Florida recruits don't really start gearing up for recruiting until late summer. So many flip flops will happen between now and February that I can see ND sliding in and being a player, if track isn't an issue. For now though they are definitely on the outside looking in compared to FSU, UF, and UM.

Legacy5.5 wrote:

Killian wrote:Hey Chief, you hear anything about Armando Allen?

K, I would be very surprised if he is not a Nole when it is all said and done by the way his interviews are going. Some of the crazys on the Miami rivals board think he is better than Devine. I watched both tapes and Devine is a freak of nature, but I think Allen is pretty good also.

If Noel Devine qualifies for a DIA school I'll shit my pants. I think I have said this before here but he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him the c and the t. What is really sad is that the Nebraska fans that I have talked to actually believe they are the front runner on him and not FSU and Miami as though he will ever see any campus other than a JUCO.

SunCoastSooner wrote:If Noel Devine qualifies for a DIA school I'll shit my pants. I think I have said this before here but he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him the c and the t. What is really sad is that the Nebraska fans that I have talked to actually believe they are the front runner on him and not FSU and Miami as though he will ever see any campus other than a JUCO.

You don't think he could score a 6 on the Wonderlic? If so, I know a place that would take him.

IndyFrisco wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:If Noel Devine qualifies for a DIA school I'll shit my pants. I think I have said this before here but he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him the c and the t. What is really sad is that the Nebraska fans that I have talked to actually believe they are the front runner on him and not FSU and Miami as though he will ever see any campus other than a JUCO.

You don't think he could score a 6 on the Wonderlic? If so, I know a place that would take him.

I doubt the kid can spell his own name correctly much less score at all on the wonderlic. He is that damn dumb. Makes VY look like a master oral communicator.