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The media is drumming up this tape where Dubya is like "we're on point with the possible levee breaches" days before he said "nobody could have ever expected such a thing."

Think this story has legs?

Bizzarofelice wrote: Think this story has legs?

Nope......

The Bush Administration is immune to culpability.....

Bush's thugs have had their asses handed to them everywhere they've set to meddling.

They were trying to gut FEMA - BOOM, several wicked Hurricane seasons in a row.

They were trying to gut our intelligence services...BAM, we get hit on 9/11.

They were trying to set up a Halliburton client state in Iraq - WHOPPO, Civil War and ballooning regional instability that is only just beginning.

Bush declared four days after the storm, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that gushed deadly flood waters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility — and Bush was worried too.

at least he was worried........

mvscal wrote:Who didn't know a monster hurricane was bearing down on New Orleans...well, besides Nagin and Blanco.

The video was some sort of teleconference with scientists, Dubya and NO government on the other end. Don't know if Blanco was involved.

#1 From the snippet I saw, Brownie seemed on point. He was very direct, and understood the gravity of the situation. Strange considering the picture painted of him afterwards.

#2 Bush promised that the federal government was well-supplied and ready to swoop down immediately to take hold of the situation. Strange considering what we witnessed afterwards. Why was there the great wait? Who froze?

mvscal wrote:Too bad Nagin and Blanco weren't.

Keep whipping that GOP scapegoat.

Why was there the great wait? Who froze?

Rove stayed their hand, so that there would be some good looter footage.

When the cream sits out too long - you must whip it.

mvscal wrote:
Too bad Nagin and Blanco weren't.

That's right, it was their fault........

either that or it was God's fault......

Did you ever tell me what that other Devo reference was from?

mvscal wrote:
The Feds were ready and they did have assets prepositioned. Had the city actually been evacuated according to state and local emergency planning, those supplies would have been able to reach those people. Once the city flooded, rapidly moving large amounts of supplies and people was out of the question.

Seriously buddy, even the Bushites aren't trying to sell this swill anymore...

mvscal wrote:Go fuck yourself, moron.

Yet another mvscal meltdown in just 4 posts. Like the man said, even the Bushites aren't trying to sell the "feds were prepared bullshit" anymore.

This is chilling.

Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusin ... 65864.html

Simply put, the level of trust the average American has in his government is reaching Watergate era lows.

Everyone except you at this point is saying it was a slow FEDERAL response, not a city or state one.

If the fed resources were so available and ready to go, why did it take 4-5 days to get food to the people at the dome?

Why are you such an absolutely pathetic apologist for this administration?

mvscal wrote:Who didn't know a monster hurricane was bearing down on New Orleans...well, besides Nagin and Blanco.

Several thousand leisure-class jigaboos who don't trust Whitey in any event

"I hope people don't draw conclusions from the president getting a single briefing," Bush spokesman Trent Duffy said, citing a variety of orders and disaster declarations Bush signed before the storm made landfall. "He received multiple briefings from multiple officials, and he was completely engaged at all times."

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200603 ... FPP0A.html

Obviously this is an example of being "fully engaged".



BTW: Would it be asking him too much to play an actual CORD???

mvscal wrote:Maybe one of you fuckwitted liberal apologists can explain why Nagin and Blanco failed to evacuate the city.

They fucked the dog..........

but how does this fact alleviate the Bushites of their responsibilities

but I can see that in your world this means Shrub gets another free pass......

mvscal wrote:Maybe one of you fuckwitted liberal apologists can explain why Nagin and Blanco failed to evacuate the city.

There were plans for doing so in place. They were ignored. Why?

Well... they were... you know... busy

mvscal wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:If the fed resources were so available and ready to go, why did it take 4-5 days to get food to the people at the dome?

A. Blanco did permit them access.

B. A good portion of the city was underwater, you fucking idiot.

The DOME was not under water, and they have these neat-o thingys call helicopters now. It STILL took them 4 days to bring food and water in.

mvscal wrote: And what, exactly, is the Federal responsibility in this situation.

Apparently to provide half-time entertainment



good taste in musical instruments though......

Felix wrote:

mvscal wrote: And what, exactly, is the Federal responsibility in this situation.

Apparently to provide half-time entertainment

"I'm gonna get me a hurricane, kill all the mvscals I see"...

mvscal wrote: They weren't supposed to be in the DOME, you fucking dumbshit.

So because they were where they weren't supposed to be.......

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!

Amazing how well he does dance around the facts.

Do you suppose if those people in the dome had promised to move that would have qualified them for a sandwich?

Nice dodge. Aside from the fact that they ran out of food, it STILL took the feds 4 DAYS to arrive, when they said they were "ready to move" a week earlier.

Try to focus. give me a reason why THAT happened, a reason that doesn't include nagin or the governor.

you can't. There isn't one.

mvscal wrote:They can't move in until the governor permits it, you stupid fucking dickhead.

Bush had the authority to federalizes the NG units, and given the scope of the disaster in the gulf, should have done so the day the levees broke.

Especially given the fact they had discussed all of this beforehand.

mvscal wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Bush had the authority to federalizes the NG units, and given the scope of the disaster in the gulf, should have done so the day the levees broke.

They tried numerous times to Federalize the response, but Blanco refused, dithered and delayed.

Too bad the facts don't bear you out.

Another truly priceless thread starring mvsPretzel.

Now, he's reverential towards FEMA. When his beloved Rove Administration was hamstringing it, it was the scourge of the Earth - an abomination that knew no parallel.

It's really funny to see this tottering simpleton juggling Rove's testicles like they were priceless Faberge Eggs. Disgusting, but funny.

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:

mvscal wrote: They tried numerous times to Federalize the response, but Blanco refused, dithered and delayed.

Too bad the facts don't bear you out.

Too bad you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

C&Ping right wing editorial pages that do not even bother to cite their sources is helping your cause. No really.

mvscal wrote:This catastrophe begins and ends with the failure to evacuate the city.

Sin,
Cut Funding From Levee Upgrades To Give It To Halliburton?

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:C&Ping right wing editorial pages that do not even bother to cite their sources is helping your cause. No really.

It isn't an editorial, dumbfuck. It is straight reporting and the facts included are verifiable.

I guess that's the best you can do.

No, it is an editorial. It does not report fact, it advocates a position. Either that is an editorial or you have forever forfieted your right to point out media bias ever again.

mvsPretzel - small, brown, twisted, and salty.

Here's the dead giveaway it's op ed:

President Bush visited command posts in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to personally make sure that everything that could be done, was being done.

mvscal wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Nice dodge. Aside from the fact that they ran out of food, it STILL took the feds 4 DAYS to arrive, when they said they were "ready to move" a week earlier.

Try to focus. give me a reason why THAT happened, a reason that doesn't include nagin or the governor.

you can't. There isn't one.

They can't move in until the governor permits it, you stupid fucking dickhead.

Why did she dither?

so the feds can't invade a state unless they get the gov's okey-dokey?

okey-dokey

mvscal wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Nice dodge. Aside from the fact that they ran out of food, it STILL took the feds 4 DAYS to arrive, when they said they were "ready to move" a week earlier.

Try to focus. give me a reason why THAT happened, a reason that doesn't include nagin or the governor.

you can't. There isn't one.

They can't move in until the governor permits it, you stupid fucking dickhead.

Why did she dither?

so the feds can't invade a state unless they get the gov's okey-dokey?

okey-dokey

By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts.

so i guess she must have post dated this......

http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.cfm?md ... icleID=778

They can't move in until the governor permits it, you stupid fucking dickhead.

Welcome to the scrapings of the barrel. Yep, this administration is legendary for abiding by the letter of the law. No one in this administration regards themselves eligible for personally interpreting the laws of the land, much. No one is reconstructing executive priviledge along the lines of Ming the Merciless, much.

Or anything.

Dude takes a beating for presenting an op-ed piece as fact, so to save face...he presents an op-ed piece as fact.

Brilliant strategy.

Felix wrote:

By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts.

so i guess she must have post dated this......

http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.cfm?md ... icleID=778

No fair confusing mvscal with things like fact and logic when the topic is his beloved administration. Careful, his head might explode.

mvscal wrote:

mothster wrote:

mvscal wrote: They can't move in until the governor permits it, you stupid fucking dickhead.

Why did she dither?

so the feds can't invade a state unless they get the gov's okey-dokey?

okey-dokey

That's right, dumbshit. Are you trying to dispute that?

Now you're contradictng yourself:

mvscal wrote:
They tried numerous times to Federalize the response,

They didn't try to federalize the NG. They didn't need her permission to do that. Besides, there is a dated document that shows she asked for help.

You know what the funniest part of this might be?

I mean, there's little debate that mvscal has taken an outright, straight-up asskicking in this thread, and he knows it. Yet in his desperation to maintain his self-imposed image as the "inside line" to the inner workings of the government, he's flailing so hard that his brain just done quit on him.

To wit:

mvscal wrote: As for the most inept official, Wilson believes that title belongs to New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, who she says is not corrupt but rather "he didn't know anything about city government or how to run a city….Its just the most unbelievable ineptness."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/corrchron/ ... s/2005/10/

So, in his defense, mvscal wants to quote this Wilson character in their assertion that there was some problems with "inept" city officials.

Doesn't sound that bad on the surface...except we're supposed to take the word on who is or isn't "inept" from a person who sat on the city council, and was either so corrupt or "inept" that they sat idly by when they claimed knowledge of a situation that could put lives at risk? That person just let these "inept" people do as they pleased, yet said nothing, and didn't bring this problem to public attention at the expense of the constituent's safety?

Would this be the sort of "inept" official she claims to be decrying?

This person is obviously either lying to get pub, or is/was every bit the "inept" city official she claims others are/were.

Either way, because of the circumstances she readily admits to, her opinion should carry about as much weight as mvscal's and less weight than the weight of the water she was sitting idly by and watch threaten the city she claimed to be working for.

Way to run your big "expose'" several years after the fact...cutting edge sense of responsibility, right there.

But hey, at least pmsgal thinks she's spot-on. So she's got that going for her.

Of course she's essentially confessed to a crime for the sake of getting herself some pub, but if a confessed criminal says W is the man, who are we to question it?

mvscal wrote:It does report fact. What it does not do is advocate a position.

It most certainly does advocate a postition.

As coastal Louisiana begins to recover from this disaster, the voters in Louisiana are beginning to re-evaluate their choice of leaders.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with op-ed pieces. Advocacy is a part of every good editorial. But don't expect us to take your op-ed pieces as gospel.