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The wave has begun...
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:10 pm
by Mikey
...in several small Vermont towns. Hopefully it will sweep across the nation, increasing in power until it hits Washington like a giant tsunami.
Vermont Towns Endorse Move to Impeach Bush
Wednesday, March 8, 2006 5:05 AM EST
The Associated Press
By DAVID GRAM
NEWFANE, Vt. (AP) — In five Vermont communities, a centuries-old tradition of residents gathering in town halls to conduct local business became a vehicle to send a message to Washington: Impeach the president.
An impeachment article, approved by a paper ballot 121-29 in Newfane Tuesday, calls on Vermont's lone member of the U.S. House, independent Rep. Bernie Sanders, to file articles of impeachment against President Bush, alleging he misled the nation into the Iraq war and engaged in illegal domestic spying.
"It absolutely affects us locally," said Newfane select board member Dan DeWalt, who drafted the impeachment article. "It's our sons and daughters, our mothers and fathers, who are dying" in the war in Iraq.
At least four other Vermont towns, spurred by publicity about Newfane's resolution, endorsed similar resolutions during Tuesday's meetings: Brookfield, Dummerston, Marlboro and Putney.
In Newfane, the impeachment item came at the end of a roughly four-hour meeting that was devoted mostly to the local affairs of the town of 1,600 located in southeastern Vermont. Among the other items discussed was whether the town should fix some of its 100-year-old sidewalks.
The impeachment discussion took up more than half an hour, reflecting the intense interest in the topic and something of a division over whether the town meeting was the appropriate place to debate it.
"As a teacher I can't say to my kids that what happens on the national level doesn't affect us at the local level," Ann Landenberger told the Newfane meeting. "Would that we could all be in a cocoon, but that is not the case."
Greg Record, a local justice of the peace, criticized the amount of time and attention such advisory votes get.
"We spend more time on these things than on a million dollar budget item," said Record, who said the town is made up of people from the "far left."
Lenore Salzbrun defended Bush, saying she had close friends who died in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
"I am so grateful that our president didn't just put his head in the sand ... and did go out and fight," she said.
"How many attacks have we had on the U.S. since September 11?" asked another resident, Carlton Brown. "Maybe some of the terrorists around the world are sitting up and taking notice that we're not going to be patsies."
The Bush vote is not the first time Newfane has used its town meeting forum to take a state or national stand. Last year, for example, the town went on record against the Iraq war.
Sanders issued a statement after the Newfane vote saying that although the Bush administration "has been a disaster for our country, and a number of actions that he has taken may very well not have been legal," given the reality that the Republicans control the House and the Senate, "it would be impractical to talk about impeachment."
Jim Barnett, chairman of the Vermont Republican Party, said Sanders should reject the resolution: "We should not be impeaching presidents just because we disagree with them."
Re: The wave has begun...
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:16 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Mikey wrote:...in several small Vermont towns.
There must be hallucinogens in the maple syrup.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:22 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Small Vermont towns? We call those neighborhoods where I am from.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:35 pm
by BSmack
Even more telling is that Bush polls above 50% in a mere SIX states.
http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2005/50 ... proval.htm
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:44 pm
by Mister Bushice
Impeached in a republican led congress? Not likely.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:48 pm
by BSmack
Mister Bushice wrote:Impeached in a republican led congress? Not likely.
That is why these midterm elections are so important.
Re: The wave has begun...
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:02 pm
by Mikey
Bizzarofelice wrote:Mikey wrote:...in several small Vermont towns.
There must be hallucinogens in the maple syrup.
Could be.
Either that or they don't have anything better to do.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:04 pm
by Mikey
That was in October.
It's probably even lower by now.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:07 pm
by Mister Bushice
I still don't see it happening. It would take a significant shift towards the dems in the election to begin with (and without that no way it gets past the vote), then it has to be proposed by someone, then a committee has to review and approve it, then it has to be voted on in the house with a majority before it goes to the senate.
Do you really believe there is solid evidence against Bush himself re: misleading the public in the iraq war? Enough to justify impeachment?
The Domestic spying thing is certainly a possibility, but the patriot act might allow that to squeeze by.
Just because a few yokels in vermont are discussing it doesn't mean much.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:12 pm
by BSmack
Mister Bushice wrote:I still don't see it happening. It would take a significant shift towards the dems in the election to begin with (and without that no way it gets past the vote), then it has to be proposed by someone, then a committee has to review and approve it, then it has to be voted on in the house with a majority before it goes to the senate.
Do you really believe there is solid evidence against Bush himself re: misleading the public in the iraq war? Enough to justify impeachment?
The Domestic spying thing is certainly a possibility, but the patriot act might allow that to squeeze by.
Just because a few yokels in vermont are discussing it doesn't mean much.
Those yokels are light years ahead of Kansas City.
Impeachment, as demonstrated by the GOP in the 90s, is nothing more than a political act. With a large enough majority, a push for indictment could be made. Wether it is a success is a whole other ballgame.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:34 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Mister Bushice wrote:I still don't see it happening.
But I do see this making the evening news, making the guy's presidency seem a little shakier.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:39 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:You still need a crime. Let's not forget that "technicality".
That didn't stop Ken Starr.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:43 pm
by Bizzarofelice
mvscal wrote:Bizzarofelice wrote:making the guy's presidency seem a little shakier.
The point of that would be?
To quote PrimeX's favorite band, Everything counts in large amounts. The GOP PR machine has been able to spin every little crisis to the point where they didn't blow up in the President's face. That being said, the sheer volume of problem situations weigh upon the public's perception. Even if all of them were completely false, the constant barrage of crap seems to leave an impression. Karl Rove campaign strategy out front should have told you.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:46 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:BSmack wrote:mvscal wrote:You still need a crime. Let's not forget that "technicality".
That didn't stop Ken Starr.
Perjury is a felony.
How many convictions did he get against Clinton?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:54 pm
by Bizzarofelice
mvscal wrote:Yes, evidently it has left the President of Iran with the impression that it is safe to flout us. Seems to be a rather dangerous impression to make.
It is a risk for that guy, but it is a calculated risk; our forces are depleted, our country is weary and the President is weak at home and throughout the world. The guy has much to gain from staring us down. If he loses, then I guess they stop making nukes and there are some soldiers stomping around for a decade but the place isn't going to suddenly stop loving radical Islam.
It would benefit the US greatly if this guy didn't just focus on the US, but also threatened the UN. Then we've got a real coalition marching in Iran and the Americans in Iraq. Problem there is the big perception worldwide that Islam is under attack. That kind of shit could lead to 7-11 employees dropping their price guns and picking up shotguns at your neighborhood daycare center.
To avert such a slippery slope, we need to do a massive propaganda drop of pron movies into Iran. When the camel humpers see that there are women like Janine Lindenmueller out there, they will no longer fondle their transportation and start dreaming of clean shaven women that are easy.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:56 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:He did not get a single conviction against Clinton.
Thank you. That will be all.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:00 pm
by ChargerMike
BSmack wrote:mvscal wrote:You still need a crime. Let's not forget that "technicality".
That didn't stop Ken Starr.
we'll show you crime...
sin,
The people of Serbia, Kosovo, the Sudan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan
P.S....Ditto, ..........Perjury, subornation of perjury
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:13 pm
by BSmack
Another dittotard wants to throw feces?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:16 pm
by Mister Bushice
mvscal wrote:Mister Bushice wrote:I still don't see it happening. It would take a significant shift towards the dems in the election to begin with (and without that no way it gets past the vote), then it has to be proposed by someone, then a committee has to review and approve it, then it has to be voted on in the house with a majority before it goes to the senate.
You still need a crime. Let's not forget that "technicality".
Not really:
The first impeachment conviction by the U.S. Senate was in 1804 of District Judge John Pickering for the high crime and misdemeanor of chronic intoxication.
So there is that. ;)
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:34 pm
by Bizzarofelice
mvscal wrote:Bizzarofelice wrote:our forces are depleted,
The Air Force and Navy aren't even remotely "depleted" and any attack on Iran is going to be their show.
Yup. Bombings and whatsuch to level the place, Dubya flies onto an aircraft carrier and flies a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
Soon after that, is the Navy going to park an aircraft carrier in downtown Tehran to maintain order, or will there have to be some other branches involved?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:48 pm
by ChargerMike
BSmack wrote:Another dittotard wants to throw feces?
...isn't that what this thread is about?
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:54 am
by Mikey
ChargerMike wrote:BSmack wrote:Another dittotard wants to throw feces?
...isn't that what this thread is about?
You forgot the :wink:
:wink:
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:06 am
by SunCoastSooner
Bizzarofelice wrote:mvscal wrote:Bizzarofelice wrote:our forces are depleted,
The Air Force and Navy aren't even remotely "depleted" and any attack on Iran is going to be their show.
Yup. Bombings and whatsuch to level the place, Dubya flies onto an aircraft carrier and flies a banner saying "Mission Accomplished".
Soon after that, is the Navy going to park an aircraft carrier in downtown Tehran to maintain order, or will there have to be some other branches involved?
We don't need to maintain order we just need to destroy whatever the hell they have.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:19 am
by War Wagon
BSmack wrote:
Those yokels are light years ahead of Kansas City.
Wha... :?
Link?
Here, I'll save you the trouble. The majority of Kansas Citians are just as flamingly liberal as YOU are.
Emmanuel Cleaver out front should have told you.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:31 am
by BSmack
War Wagon wrote:BSmack wrote:Those yokels are light years ahead of Kansas City.
Wha... :? Link?
Here, I'll save you the trouble. The majority of Kansas Citians are just as flamingly liberal as YOU are. Emmanuel Cleaver out front should have told you.
Nice to see that you equate "liberal" with "progress". There may be hope for you yet.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:35 am
by ChargerMike
Mikey wrote:ChargerMike wrote:BSmack wrote:Another dittotard wants to throw feces?
...isn't that what this thread is about?
You forgot the :wink:
:wink:
...dam!....ahh nothing like a good "zinger"
