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And this one isn't real hard to figure out.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/new ... use_a.html

So much for restoring dignity and integrity to the White House.

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You're getting Glass Dicked. The only question that remains is will it be

a) with lube
b) without lube
c) with 88's homemade three alarm lube

Didn't see it. In fact, I thought it a little puzzling that nobody had mentioned it all week.

This is Bush's fault b/c??

Tom In VA wrote:You're getting Glass Dicked. The only question that remains is will it be

a) with lube
b) without lube
c) with 88's homemade three alarm lube

'sup, Tom? You missed some pretty decent discussions on Muslims going nuts over the cartoons, and the ports deal.

Oh, Gunslinger is still an idiot, Fraudo's been banned, and mvscal called me Jewish. You should be caught up now, bro.

Good to see you, Tom.

Cicero wrote:This is Bush's fault b/c??

Lack of screening of employees?

Dude OBVIOUSLY had some character issues, but that doesn't disqualify one from a White House position these days, does it?

Cicero wrote:This is Bush's fault b/c??

He surrounds himself with crooks. He chooses crooks to devise our domestic policy.

It is a question of bringing dignity back to the White House.

Bizzarofelice wrote:It is a question of bringing dignity back to the White House.

I suppose bringing accountability back to the White House is just a pipe-dream at this point.

We havent had dignity in the White House since Reagan.

Cicero wrote:We havent hadnt dignity in the White House since Reagan.

Back off the pipe. Dignity has nothing to do with being in the White House.

And bro had been considered for a Federal Court apointment!!?? :o
Personally, I think the brainwashing that had necessarily preceded his transition into a willing neocon acolyte caused severe abberation in his conscience, leaving him a irrational freak like the rest of the Cheny/Chimp cabal.

How about this classic Chimp gibberish, btw


"And my first reaction was one of disappointment, deep disappointment that, if it's true , that we were not fully informed. But it was also one – shortly thereafter, I felt really sad for the Allen family.''



The Chimp, now and always, Not Fully Informed

Cicero wrote:We havent had dignity in the White House since Reagan.

Yeah, joking around about nuking the Soviets at the height of the Cold War (which Reagan intentionally escalated) was a real monument to dignity.

You aren't old enough to remember Reagan's White House, so why are you so fucking reatrded that you feel the need to tell others who ARE old enough to remember about it?

Fucking dumbass.

Cicero wrote:We havent had someone so lifelike yet clueless in the White House since Reagan.

FTFY

...nice to see you decided to stop in Tom......

Cicero wrote:We havent had dignity in the White House since Reagan.

try lincoln

fdr lost points with that mistress

Well, I was alive while he was President, I have watched many documentaries on him, my father and uncles have spoken very highly over the years about him. He was on of the greatest Presidents over the past 150 years. He ended the Cold War b/c he scared the shit out of the Soviets and he didnt back down like a pussy.

Believe it or not, your fucking opinion isnt right all the fucking time. What was your problem w/ Reagan? His approval rating was in the 70-80s and even a lot of Democrats were fond of him.

Cicero wrote:We havent had dignity in the White House since Reagan.

Is "dignity" a code word for "personal astrologer"?

I'm not up with all these hep, new-fangled phrases.

Reagan's Legacy.


Oct. 23, 1983.

Cut 'n run, boys.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:

Cicero wrote:We havent had dignity in the White House since Reagan.

Is "dignity" a code word for "personal astrologer"?

I'm not sure, but it definitely isn't code for "spooging on fat whores in the Oval Office bathroom".

Clinton should hang, but not for any retarded blowjob shenanigans.

Cicero wrote:Well, I was alive while he was President, I have watched many documentaries on him, my father and uncles have spoken very highly over the years about him.

Say no more...

Cicero wrote:He ended the Cold War b/c he scared the shot out of the Soviets and he didnt back down like a pussy.

Oh, is THAT what the right-wing nutjobs are selling as truth these days?

Excellent use of revisionist history.

http://www.time.com/time/time100/leader ... alesa.html

Educate yourself, douche. It's a lot more becoming to know whjat the fuck you're talking about, rather than spew false rhetoric.

I can't even imagine anybody making a more ignorant statement that "Reagan ended the Cold War." Fucking priceless.

If you're looking to credit one person for the end of the Cold War, that name would be Lech Walesa. Yes, I realize you've never heard of him before, but really...it's true. His work towards this end is what got him that Nobel Peace Prize.

Another person who was fairly integral in the Cold War's end was Mikhail Gorbachev(does the words "Glasnost" and "Perestroika" mean anything to you, dumbass?). As was Pope JP2. Reagan was an antagonist as far as a peaceful end to Eastern Bloc rule was concerned.

Ever heard of a guy named Boris Yeltsin? Obviously not...

For myself, I would give the most credit to the brave people of the Soviet Union during that time, and their adherance to bearing arms, even when their government made it illegal to do so. That, and many decades of a downward-spiralling economy. The economy, due to what could essentially be called "evolution," was rapidly becoming more globally-oriented, and the system the Soviets had in place was bound to be left behind.

But Walesa showed the Eastern Bloc that the power indeed rested with the people, and he proved that the whole state-run workers-party thing could be brought to its knees with labor strikes. And he began this movement...are you ready, Sissy...BEFORE REAGAN WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT.


You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, but it's pretty amusing to see someone trying to spin the fall of the Eastern Bloc as something Reagan engineered. Very amusing.

Reagan's plan for the Soviets didn't work. Time and inevitability did. Funny how history is being rewritten by internet warriors everywhere, though.

Dinsdale wrote:...many decades of a downward-spiralling economy. The economy, due to what could essentially be called "evolution," was rapidly becoming more globally-oriented, and the system the Soviets had in place was bound to be left behind.

What a load of horseshit. Do you just make this crap up as you go along, or did some yuppie U&L professor brainwash you during a binge?

The Soviet economy collapsed because they couldn't keep up in the arms race that Reagan instigated. Period. All these other things you bring up are just peripheral and in and of themselves would have been inconsequential. Without the pressure that Reagan brought to bear, the Soviet Union might very well still be a threat.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about...

Says Dins to himself every time he gears up to hit submit.

The Soviet economy collapsed because they couldn't keep up in the arms race that Reagan instigated.

Yeah. In between his movie carreer in the 50's and his governorship of cali in the 60's he sure put a mighty heck of a scare into them russkies during the Arms race. :roll:

Whitey, you really need to either do some reading or find a starter forum, a spin zone for dummies so to speak, before you post here. Reagan had NOTHING to do with "instigating the arms race". He had nothing to do with that. He came in at the end of an era when it was just one part of the big picture that included a change of leadership, economic, social and political reform in the USSR, and a major movement by many of the republics to secede based on existing constitutional law, not fear of Ronnie.

But do keep reading here. You might actually learn something,

gorby knew he couldn't keep up with ronnie's spending and to his credit threw in the towel...........plus the warsaw pact dissolving before his eyes

Mama always said, tards is as tards does.

And here we have some excellent examples:

mvscal wrote:Only a fucking moron would try to peddle the bullshit that Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.

Wanna link me up to where I said he had nothing to do with it? As a matter of fact, I could have SWORN I said:

Reagan was an antagonist as far as a peaceful end to Eastern Bloc rule was concerned.

I hate to play the overused "reading comprehension" card on these boards, but if the shoe fits...

I now see how so many of these discussions leave you in the dust...you don't understand English very well.


But, tards always seem to want to find their strength in numbers, and are often known to travel in herds --

War Wagon wrote:The Soviet economy collapsed because they couldn't keep up in the arms race that Reagan instigated. Period.

Oh nooooo....not the dreaded "PERIOD" tactic!


Oh, so it was the arms race "that Reagan instigated" that created economic unrest in the Eastern Bloc?

Really, Whitey?

Wanna back that up with some staistics? Didn't think so. Because if you had those stats, you'd realize that it was Nixon who escalated the arms race, you fucking dweeb. THAT'S when the massive increase in spending on "first-strike" weapons came about.

Since you're the history expert WW, remind me again what happened on October 11, 1986?

Was that when Ray-Gun rejected a proposal from Gorbachev to ditch 50% of all of their nuclear arsenal, in exchange for the US doing the same?

Since you're the history expert WW, remind me again what happened in February 1987?

I'll help you out (since you don't fucking know) -- the Soviets resumed nuclear testing. They resumed this practice becausr Ray-Gun rejected the Soviets's offer to ban all nuclear weapons testing. Gorbachev STILL placed a ban on testing as an act of good faith.

Who trashed theComprehensive Test Ban Treaty, again?


If you're going to credit one man with ending the Cold War (it was millions of people who were responsible, but shrivelled-nuts inferiority-complex sufferers seem to want to insist that it was some devious American plot...whatever), give the credit to Lech Walesa, or Mikhail Gorbachev. What Ray-Gun did was the same thing Bush is doing now -- overstating a threat in order to line the arostocrats pockets. PERIOD. Ray-Gun came a lot closer to bankrupting the American economy than he did the Soviet economy. And Lech Wa;esa did a lot more to economically cripple the Eastern Bloc than Ray-Gun could have in his wettest dream.

But feel free to try and keep hiding your ignorance behind that flag you wave, tard.

The arms race started somewhere back around the time when Ronnie was acting with monkees in hollywood. I don't think they feared him much then do you?

And the Soviets dropped back in the arms race in the lte 70's because they stretched themselves too far over the previous decade trying to keep up with the US. when Ronnie came into office they were essentially done, and yes it's true they would have been afraid of him because they knew they couldn't keep pace anymore and that we were the dominant global power economicallly and militarily but he had only a part of that big picture. Much of it would have happened anyway given the conditions within the USSR at the time.

Knowing he'd push the button probably scared them, though.

But instigating the arms race? Even you aren't that blindly faithful to buy that ridiculous statement.

And mvscal posting that Ray-Gun speech was good for a laugh.

Some fucking Hollywood fucking cowboys says what amounts to "Gee guys, we should tear down this wall!"

Well boy-howdy thanks there, Ronnie -- NOBODY ever thought of that before.

Thewn, some brave men and women actually DO tear it down, and you motherfucking retards give Ray-Gun the credit for it?

Hell-fucking-o?

RayGun comes along and says the same thing literally millions of people had said before, somebody else does the work and takes the risk, and you want to give Ray-Gun credit for it?

Are you fucking retarded?

What crippled the Soviet and the other Eastern Bloc economies was the laborors that made it run standing up for themselves. And this was a movement that was started by Lech Walesa. Sorry if this FACT passed some of you by, but really, that's what happened. I'm not sure which part of "Lech Walesa started this movement before Reagan was elected" you didn't understand, but a little education would go a loooooooong way with some of you...or maybe not.

mvscal wrote: Lech Walesa wouldn't have done shit except rot in prison, if it wasn't for Reagan. We sprung him. We supplied him. We funded him.

Hmmm.....here we go again....

Let's see, according to Lech Walesa, he was never in prison, although he was "interned" at a rural country estate.

According to mvscal, he was "rotting in priison."

Hmmm....damn, I'm stuck with one of those "who to believe" scenarios -- should I listen to mvscal on the life story of Lech Walesa, or should I believe Lech Walesa?


Hmmm.....tough call. One that seems to come up pretty often on these boards.

mvscal wrote:

Dinsdale wrote: And Lech Wa;esa did a lot more to economically cripple the Eastern Bloc than Ray-Gun could have in his wettest dream.

Lech Walesa wouldn't have done shit except rot in prison, if it wasn't for Reagan. We sprung him. We supplied him. We funded him.

Walesa and the Catholic Church provided the internal pressure and the Reagan Administration provided the external pressure.

catholic church? hadn't heard that one

reagan gets credit for cleaning up carter's mess and goin joan of arc on the cheerleading........gorby deserves more credit tho for seein the light and weakening the warhawk communists for yeltsin to slam dunk and start mobster free-enterprise

mvscal wrote: And what part of Poland was under martial until 1983 do you not understand?

And they were under martial law...why?

Your chicken/egg argument is quite amusing, in a strictly "awww, look honey -- baby made doo-doo" sort of way.

It's Poland, folks. The homeland of many jokes and lots of rakes being stepped on
and hitting guys in the face.

The Poles great route to salvation was to turn the clock back 400 years and skitter underneath the Pope's robes.

Progress.

"What they had to do was let the natural forces already in place play this out and not get their fingerprints on it," explains an analyst. What emerges from the Reagan-Casey collaboration is a carefully calibrated operation whose scope was modest compared with other CIA activities.

The USSR was ripe for picking by the Time Ronnie came along. They had suffered economically thoughout the 70's from bad harvests and poor management of what they did manage to produce, So pouring money and manpower into the arms race during that time just to keep up with the US was the beginning of the end for them. When the republics starting bearing the burdens of Russias economic woes, it was a natural transition to begin the process of breaking away. Add to that the change in leadership during ronnies reign to one that was more open to reforms and not at all like the hardliners of the past.

The fuel was there, ronnie lit the match, but he was not solely responsible for the fall of the Soviet union and he came into the arms race at the tail end of it.

Since some of you aren't grasping the concept here, all you have to do is wait --

When a country embarks on a bomb-based economy, it must either keep using the bombs/weapons, or have its entire economic infrastructure collapse.

The Soviets had essentially run out of things to take over, and any more steps in that direction would have resulted in an armed conflict with the United States, which they were nowhere near confident enough in their odds to even consider.

When your whole economy revolves around fighting, and you run out of people to fight, you either need to invent reasons to go to war, or watch your economy collapse underneath your feet.

If some of you can't understand this concept, just keep voting for the Halliburton/Carlysle/Honeywell Party, just like many of you have since 1980, and you can watch a firsthand example from your own front door.

Trying to keep up with the US militarily was a major factor. When you roll in that they had to buy grain from their enemy to keep the populace alive, things can take a down turn pretty damn fast.

War Wagon wrote:Hell, we boycotted the 1980 Olympics because we were too scared to stand up to their invasion of Afghanistan.

Nah, Carter was just smart enough to realize the Soviets were stepping in a quagmire. Not for nothing, but Reagan didn't invade Afgahnistan. And he had 8 years to try.

Dinsdale wrote: If some of you can't understand this concept, just keep voting for the Halliburton/Carlysle/Honeywell Party, just like many of you have since 1980, and you can watch a firsthand example from your own front door.

Thanks, I will.

When I stand at my front door in the heartland of this great country, I'm pretty damned secure in the knowledge that no nukes are going to rain down upon my head this evening.

Thanks, Ronnie.

BSmack wrote:

War Wagon wrote:Hell, we boycotted the 1980 Olympics because we were too scared to stand up to their invasion of Afghanistan.

Nah, Carter was just smart enough to realize the Soviets were stepping in a quagmire. Not for nothing, but Reagan didn't invade Afgahnistan. And he had 8 years to try.

Carter was a pacifist. He wasn't scared. It took him over a year to negotiate the hostages out of Iran, and I think they were probably thinking Ronnie would drop one on them if they didn't.

Mister Bushice wrote:

BSmack wrote:

War Wagon wrote:Hell, we boycotted the 1980 Olympics because we were too scared to stand up to their invasion of Afghanistan.

Nah, Carter was just smart enough to realize the Soviets were stepping in a quagmire. Not for nothing, but Reagan didn't invade Afgahnistan. And he had 8 years to try.

Carter was a pacifist. He wasn't scared. It took him over a year to negotiate the hostages out of Iran, and I think they were probably thinking Ronnie would drop one on them if they didn't.

Carter was and still is an idiot. He didn't negotiate shit. He authorized a doomed failure of a mission to rescue the hostages that ended in disaster.

And he's still wringing his hands over it and trying to shame future administrations for taking decisive action to ensure US security.

Fuck that punk.

Mister Bushice wrote:...I think they were probably thinking Ronnie would drop one on them if they didn't.

Or sell them arms. Whatever.

The Soviet economy ceased to be socialist in any sense of the word after it was de-centralised in '65 - after that, the system had too many internal contradictions to function for any length of time, it was completely deformed. Perestroika was simply the last nail in the coffin.

Posted before, but always a good read:

http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html

And some interesting thoughts from Fidel on the subject:

The USSR self-destructed in an incredible way. The responsibility for that self-destruction undoubtedly lies in the hands of the country's leaders, those who led that nation. Now, some of them were aware they were destroying it and others were not. That is what I was trying to say, more or less, and we saw it all from the beginning.

I cannot say Gorbachev played a role in which he was aware of the destruction of the USSR because I have no doubt that Gorbachev intended to fight to improve socialism.

http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/ar ... /06/03.htm