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How is an entire city allowed to get away with breaking laws

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:05 am
by Mister Bushice
Seriously, read down to the section at the bottom about the town of Maywood. Even at the expense of overlooking drunk drivers who could cause deaths they protect illegal immigrants.

Says Mayor Pro tem FELIPE AGUIRRE < shocker

This is one fucked up state.
Illegal Immigrants Put Cities in a Bind

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 29 minutes ago

ORANGE, Calif. - The hodgepodge of U.S. immigration laws, policies and practices is well-illustrated in this Southern California community of millionaires and blue-collar workers.
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Last month, Orange police seized eight illegal immigrants waiting for work outside a Home Depot and turned them over to federal officials for deportation to Mexico. Not far away, a city-sponsored day laborer center helps employers find workers, some of them illegal.

The contrast encapsulates the pressures and competing demands on many cities around the country.

Often, politicians are under public pressure to crack down on illegal immigrants, who are frequently accused of loitering on street corners or living in dangerously overcrowded houses.

At the same time, politicians are facing demands — from business owners who need willing labor, and from an increasingly numerous and vocal Hispanic electorate — to help illegal immigrants earn a living and feed their families.

"If the feds could get their act together and control immigration, things would go a lot smoother for these localities," said Tamar Jacoby, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute in Washington. "The local communities are on the front lines and they're left to deal with this. It's an unfair burden and it poses a lot of difficult moral choices" for cities.

In Gaithersburg, Md., a city-sponsored day labor center shut down within months after residents protested. The city of Farmingville, N.Y., used a zoning ordinance to shut down a boarding house for 60 people, many of them undocumented workers, despite warnings from activists that it is illegal immigrants who are doing the landscaping, roofing and painting around the Long Island town.

The conflicting policies are acute in Orange County, home to rapid demographic change and birthplace of the Minuteman Project, a citizen movement to patrol the Mexican border and keep illegal immigrants out.

The city of Orange — which has a population 138,000 and is about one-third Hispanic, not counting illegal immigrants — operates a day laborer center to help line up jobs for workers in construction and landscaping. The center includes a bathroom and a bike rack, and costs the city nearly $38,000 per year. Workers feel safe enough to congregate there.

Meanwhile, police have turned over 80 suspected illegal immigrants to the U.S. Border Patrol since last summer, said Sgt. Dave Hill. The immigrants, mostly men, were arrested for soliciting work on private property and were turned over because they did not have proper identification.

Hill said the city established the day labor center in 1989 to prevent such soliciting and arrested the workers only after receiving hundreds of complaints about public urination and drinking. Police first tried warnings and telling day laborers about the work center, he said, but eventually had to crack down.

The city is not required under federal law to turn suspected illegal immigrants over to federal authorities, but it does so anyway as a matter of city policy, said Mayor Mark Murphy.

"If you break the law in Orange ... and you don't have legitimate ID, you will be cited and turned over," he said.

Illegal immigrants in the community know their presence causes tension, but say they have little choice.

"I know the white people are thinking it's wrong because there are too many people and it looks bad," said Miguel Angel Vasquez, a 32-year-old illegal immigrant who has been in the country for 11 years. "But we need a job."

If Orange is trying to find a middle ground, the nearby cities of Costa Mesa and Maywood are moving in opposite directions.

An upscale city about 10 miles south of Orange, Costa Mesa recently authorized police to receive training in enforcing immigration law. The city also disbanded its day labor center after 17 years because it was "city-subsidized competition" for a private temp service, said Mayor Allan Mansoor.

"Just because the federal government dropped the ball doesn't mean that we should sit idly by," he said. "We need to stop making excuses as to why we're not upholding the law and start looking for ways to uphold our oaths of office."

Costa Mesa merchants have complained that business is down sharply because immigrants are afraid to leave their homes.

In Los Angeles County, the 29,000-person town of Maywood has fashioned itself as a sanctuary for immigrants. The city is 96 percent Hispanic, and 70 percent of its residents are not citizens, said Mayor Pro Tem Felipe Aguirre.

Officials recently disbanded a traffic control unit because it was perceived as a threat to illegal immigrants without driver's licenses, Police Chief Bruce Leflar said.

And three years ago, he said, the city ended its traffic checkpoints for driver's licenses, registration, insurance and drunken driving because they were catching a large number of illegal immigrants.

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:10 am
by Mikey
Gillian Flaccus?

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:15 am
by Mister Bushice
^^ A little help?

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:50 am
by tough love
^^ I thought you were a people person,
don't stand in the doorway, don't block the hall,
times change, and laws need to adjust to the changing times.

Does that help. :wink:

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:53 am
by Mister Bushice
No, it didn't. Why in hell is gillian flaccus an answer, and why is it ok for us to fund the lives of 11 million foreigners who don't give one shit about us?

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:54 am
by Derron
why is it ok for us to fund the lives of 11 million foreigners who don't give one shit about us?
Because the Federales and SoCal cops are all Mexicans themselves, and its part of Vincente Fox's plan to improve the economy of Mexico by getting rid of more people, so he can continue his coruptive ways.

Way the fuck back in 1980 or so, the INS set up a check point and stopped cars heading out to a nursery where a lot of UNDOCUMENTED workers alledledgy worked. The road also went past the high school. The fed's stopped 3 kids going to high school. Adopted kids of a local land baron farmer. Completely legal kids. Threw them on the INS bus, held them incomuinicado for 24 hours until the old man and his lawyers got ahold of them and could spring them.

Promptly filed a multifucking million dollar lawsuit and won easily. I think the total settlement was only about a million, and when the kids turned 21, they snorted it all away, but the old man got about 250K for his trouble.

Since that day, the INS will not, will not stage any kind of active enforcementsany where in this state. They got additional fines, a bunch of them got ran from their jobs, and the shit generally went down.

The cops will put an INS "hold" on anybody they get in the can and they pop up in LEDS or NCIC as illegal or otherwise registered illegal alien or in the system somehow. It does not work though, because my neighbor has arrested the same wetback 4 months apart for DUI, even when he got deported the first time.

Can't violate their civil rights now....

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:33 am
by tough love
Mr. B Wrote:
why is it ok for us to fund the lives of 11 million foreigners who don't give one shit about us?
Because; if America funded their lives they than would give a shit about you.

I must say that this whole Mexican thang has managed to turn what has only been up to now tragic, into a super-sized poli-funny.
It's like the Clinton days have returned.

Bu$h displays some compassion towards the illegal mexicans and the P_Ughs; who are usually the first to curb stomp this sort of generosity, clonishly stand down while the Lib_Tards; whom are usually the more humane of the two pawns, assume the P_Ugh position and swing away with the ugly stick.

Funny Stuff :)

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:11 pm
by Diego in Seattle
Mace wrote:Deporting without beefing up the security at the border is a waste of time and money. It's been my experience that the INS won't deport an illegal until they've been convicted of a felony and don't do anything with those who stay out of trouble once they've arrived. Some go to prison and are deported after completing their sentence, but many are granted probation and then held at the local jail for INS to begin deportation procedings. The one's granted probation and getting deported usually end up returning to the states with a new identity before the ink dries on their deportation papers.

Mace
Both deporting & putting more INS people on the border are a waste of time & money. The way to go about this is to go after those who provide an incentive to keep crossing the border - the employers. If we actually went after employers with significant resources to where there was a real threat of being caught, and handed out heavy fines (and collected them - unlike the soft-on-crime republicans), we'd see a huge drop in the number of illegals crossing the border. Start having INS agents sitting in Home Depot parking lots in unmarked cars and you'll see the job market dry up.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:06 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
tough love wrote:
Mr. B Wrote:
why is it ok for us to fund the lives of 11 million foreigners who don't give one shit about us?
Because; if America funded their lives they than would give a shit about you.

I must say that this whole Mexican thang has managed to turn what has only been up to now tragic, into a super-sized poli-funny.
It's like the Clinton days have returned.

Bu$h displays some compassion towards the illegal mexicans and the P_Ughs; who are usually the first to curb stomp this sort of generosity, clonishly stand down while the Lib_Tards; whom are usually the more humane of the two pawns, assume the P_Ugh position and swing away with the ugly stick.

Funny Stuff :)
I have absolutely no clue as to what you were trying to say.
Seriously, do you proof read before you hit Submit?

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:08 pm
by Mister Bushice
wtf is a P_ugh?

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:18 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Mister Bushice wrote:wtf is a P_ugh?
Apparently, it's a felony in Utah and South Dakota.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:59 pm
by Dr_Phibes
Mister Bushice wrote:wtf is a P_ugh?
Closest answer wins a SUPER PRIZE.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:13 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Dr_Phibes wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:wtf is a P_ugh?
Closest answer wins a SUPER PRIZE.
Is the SUPER PRIZE an all expense paid trip to Pyongyang?

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:17 pm
by tough love
P_Ughs = Pub Uglies = Pubby's = Re-public-cons = Rebublican morons who condone Bu$h Corp hiding behind their poli-party.

Martyred Wrote:
I have absolutely no clue as to what you were trying to say.
That'sa Nice.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:50 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
tough love wrote:P_Ughs = Pub Uglies = Pubby's = Re-public-cons = Rebublican morons who condone Bu$h Corp hiding behind their poli-party.
Wha?

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:26 am
by titlover
Mister Bushice wrote:No, it didn't. Why in hell is gillian flaccus an answer, and why is it ok for us to fund the lives of 11 million foreigners who don't give one shit about us?

because you're a racist piece of shit if you don't, now fall in line, mister.