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Not too bad, but
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:36 am
by Mister Bushice
Lets see them enforce it if it passes:
This is supposedly the content of the compromise senate immigration bill coming up for vote.
Republican officials said the GOP plan would divide illegal immigrants into three categories:
• Those who had been in the country the longest, more than five years, would not be required to return to their home country before gaining legal status. They would be subject to several tests, including the payment of fines and back taxes, and be required to submit to a background check, according to these officials.
• Illegal immigrants in the United States less than five years but more than two would be required to go to a border point of entry, briefly leave and then be readmitted to the United States. As with the longer-term illegal immigrants, other steps would be required for re-entry, after which they could begin seeking citizenship, these officials said.
• Illegal immigrants in the United States less than two years would be required to leave the country and join any other foreign residents seeking legal entry.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:02 pm
by ChargerMike
....what a crock. Our gushing politicians all smiles with a load they WON'T even attempt to enforce.
I can't wait, this should really appease the current immigrants who are going through the process of becomming legal citizens, or those who have already completed the long trek.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:12 pm
by Solo
Illegal immigrants in the United States less than two years would be required to leave the country and join any other foreign residents seeking legal entry.
I'm sure they'll leave in droves.
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:23 pm
by Mister Bushice
^^^ Yep. THAT will be the major sticking point.
Then there are all of those who are now on their way in to the country who fit that category. We're gonna need a bigger turnstyle.
What they do with border security is a more critical issue. Dealing with the ones here is one thing, stopping them from coming in far more important.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:23 pm
by Uncle Fester
What they do with border security is a more critical issue. Dealing with the ones here is one thing, stopping them from coming in far more important.
Good point.
Bush called the Minutemen "vigilantes." Then he said something along the lines of "Borders?? We don't need no stinkin' borders..."
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:16 pm
by atomicdad
Maybe emergency personel should not be so quick to respond or send out Life Flight helo's the next time a van or truck overturns after a high speed chase along any of the southern hwys and 20+ illegals spill out all over the road. At the least if you send out Life Flight to pick them up drop them off at a hospital in Tijuana instead of San Diego.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:31 pm
by BSmack
How the fuck are they going to verify that illegals have been here less than 2 years? Are they going to check their passports?
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:05 pm
by Solo
^ It's called the honor system, B.
We'll ask, and they'll be honest about it.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:21 pm
by Mister Bushice
BSmack wrote:How the fuck are they going to verify that illegals have been here less than 2 years? Are they going to check their passports?
![Rolling Eyes :meds:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
It won't be perfect, but they will have a work history for most of them.
For those with none, they should be treated as being here less than 2 years.
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:28 pm
by BSmack
Mister Bushice wrote:BSmack wrote:How the fuck are they going to verify that illegals have been here less than 2 years? Are they going to check their passports?
![Rolling Eyes :meds:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
It won't be perfect, but they will have a work history for most of them.
For those with none, they should be treated as being here less than 2 years.
Work history as an illegal?
What pay stubs will they be showing?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:53 pm
by Mister Bushice
Illegals have to give names to their employers. I'm also sure that the employers would be questioned to verify. The 2 year candidates will have a lot of motivation to prove themselves.
Nice new bureaucracy congress is creating though, eh? Imagine the workforce that will be needed to be created to track down and verify 11 to 20 million people, most with pretty damn light footprints in the system?
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:06 am
by Solo
Mister Bushice wrote:Illegals have to give names to their employers. I'm also sure that the employers would be questioned to verify. The 2 year candidates will have a lot of motivation to prove themselves.
Nice new bureaucracy congress is creating though, eh? Imagine the workforce that will be needed to be created to track down and verify 11 to 20 million people, most with pretty damn light footprints in the system?
The enforcement end of this
comprehensive bill is what I'm not buying. The politicians won't enforce the laws we already have and I seriously doubt they'll enforce the new ones with any more vigor. IMO, this is nothing more than a lame attempt by Bush and the phoney conservatives in congress to shove amnesty down our throat under the guise of border security so they don't get thrown out on their fat asses come November.
I hope everyfuckingone of the big business, cheap labor lovin' assholes gets shown the door.
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:36 am
by Ang
Huge rack for Solo!
Same thing I'm not buying. If I really thought that we would have border enforcement after filing all these folks into...having been here this many years or not...I would go for it.
But bottom line, we are not ever closing the border, and I think we need to.
Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:12 pm
by Mister Bushice
The good part about all this is that these morons in congress can't agree on anything on this issue, and that will be their downfall come november.
It's one thing to come up with a workable compromise that addresses the issue. Quite another to dick around for weeks and do absolutely nothing about it.
And I agree, enforcement will not be done. Hell, as soon as the first lawsuits start flying that will destroy any enforcement budget. And they WILL start flying. The ACLU will see to that.
Does anyone know what lawyers representing criminals are paid to appeal death row convictions? Try a 20 year process of endless paperwork - at as much as $15,000 per page.
The immigration legal issues will be just as snarled.
We'll most likely have to wait until a terrorist incident occurs related to the weak border that will galvanize America, unfortunately.
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:19 am
by BSmack
I'm up in Vermont this weekend. Guess what one of the front page stories was in one of the locals papers was?
You guessed it. They busted a Wal Mart contractor for using illegal Mexican and Guatamalan laborers.
http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/ ... 020061.htm
And it's not like there is a lack of willing workers around here to take those jobs. That area is sporting a 6.3% unemployment rate. But hey, why hire American when you are looking for "Always the low price"?
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:40 am
by tough love
Varification, made easy.
Give 'em a fat content test.
The greater the body fat, the longer thay have been living American.
btw. listening to ya'All chirp over this is most entertaining.
It's as though you still believe that 'you the people' still have a say in what happens.
Do carry on, please. :)
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:26 pm
by Diego in Seattle
BSmack wrote:I'm up in Vermont this weekend. Guess what one of the front page stories was in one of the locals papers was?
You guessed it. They busted a Wal Mart contractor for using illegal Mexican and Guatamalan laborers.
http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/ ... 020061.htm
And it's not like there is a lack of willing workers around here to take those jobs. That area is sporting a 6.3% unemployment rate. But hey, why hire American when you are looking for "Always the low price"?
The cops should have given the illegals more notice that they were coming.
Sincerely,
The Bush Administration
Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:54 pm
by Ace
Will any illegal answer anything less than "cinco" when asked how many years theyve been here? What a fucking joke