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I'm no advocate of the death penalty, but they might as well off this bloke now. He's obviously madder than a tin of dog turds, changes his story every five minutes and would love to be martyred, while the usual knee-jerkers want him fried. Everyone's a winner.

As the US court adjourned yesterday, terror suspect
Zacharias Moussaoui chanted "Burn in the USA" to the
tune of Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA."

Rack him!

--1smoothG

i'd rather he rot in jail so the zealots can't martyr him.

Kill him quick, so he isnt used as a bargaining chip.

Bizzarofelice wrote:i'd rather he rot in jail so the zealots can't martyr him.

^ gets it.

[sidebar]what costs taxpayers more...lifetime sentences, or executions?[/sidebar]

I'll tell you this...I'm not surprised that he's thumbing his nose at us. I just want to stop paying for his incarceration. Put a fucking bullet into him - and Saddam Hussein too, already. Do this now. Go ahead.

As for "martyring"...the zealots have new martyrs every day. They have them by the fucking acreload. What's a few more going to hurt? Is it really going to increase the ferocity of their attacks? We're supposed to worry about that?

As long as we are paying for his incarceration, we might as well have in with the general population at Attica or Rikers or any of our other esteemed Max Security resorts. Let him play bitch for a while and then bulletize his dome.

Bizzarofelice wrote:i'd rather he rot in jail so the zealots can't martyr him.

You'd think he survive in prison? Sharpened tooth brush to the neck or the electric chair? .. now that I think of it.. a sharpened tooth brush plunge to his neck would probably be more appropriate for this scum bag.

PSUFAN wrote:[sidebar]what costs taxpayers more...lifetime sentences, or executions?[/sidebar]

I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but the correct answer is executions -- due to the cost of the appeals process that precedes the execution.

As for "martyring"...the zealots have new martyrs every day.

It's about public opinion. You can't drum up sympathy among the everyday folk in the Arab world for a suicide bomber who offs him/herself. But someone you can sell as a political prisoner turned wrongly executed -- that's a different story.

Full disclosure: I'm pretty close to a death penalty abolitionist myself, but if not for the martyr angle, I could definitely see putting a cap in this guy. But even if we're going to have a death penalty, imho it should be reserved for only the worst of the worst, like Moussaoui and McVeigh.

I'd say he was making the legal system look like a bunch of absolute cunts, but that would be implying that they needed some help in achieving that aim.

I know this isn't the answer you're looking for, but the correct answer is executions

Actually, that's a bell-ringer. I was recently surprised to learn that. I'm all about making it cheaper in some instances.

Yes, that's right - I'm willing to forego appeals and prevaricating in some situations. Just throw Saddam into one of his acid swimming pools, pronto. It's no use having him die of old age in a comfy Green Zone prison. Might as well left him in the spiderhole.

You can't drum up sympathy among the everyday folk in the Arab world for a suicide bomber who offs him/herself. But someone you can sell as a political prisoner turned wrongly executed -- that's a different story.

You see, I just don't agree with this. I see them running the "he died in service to Allah" rather than "he didn't do it".

As for drumming up sympathy for suicide bombers...I guess you haven't seen the posters they run with? These people have more martyrs than brain cells.

I just don't follow the "Let's get America - they shot Saddam in the head!!!!" angle. That's something to rile them up? Do they really need anything, after Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?

Offing Saddam will be the most humane thing we've done yet.

Part of the problem with your suggestion, PSU, at least as to Saddam, is that he's being tried in an Iraqi court and being held in an Iraqi jail. That's probably as it should be. He still has some loyalists in Iraq, and while I think what we're seeing there now is civil war, it would probably be worse if the U.S. were trying him.

Put him in a cell with a huge biker dude that is jewish, and has "I present you with allah" tattooed on his pecker.....

mvscal wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:You'd think he survive in prison?

Yes, I do. I'm not sure where you get the idea that prisons are filled with patriotic citizens.

I'll agree with you in part. Moussaoui wouldn't be in much danger in prison based on what he did before he got there. However, he appears to be a sociopath and he could find himself in plenty of trouble based on what happens after he got there.

Same thing as with Jeffrey Dahmer. Dahmer wasn't killed for what he did before he got to prison. He was killed for what he did after he got to prison.

You guys make things so complicated.

Upon his guilty verdict (I think a guilty verdict is fairly safe bet, by bookmaking standards), I have a much simpler plan...

Let him go.

Set him free...on the streets of Baghdad. Only after a press conference where the exact time and release is made public.

Or, better yet -- a lottery. Iraqis can purchase a raffle ticket, for the price of one barrel of oil. Winner gets to pick and carry out Saddam's demise.

OK...maybe that's a little on the evil side. Forgive me. But people like Saddam and Moussaoui and Al Zarqawi seem to bring that out in me.

Then again, evil pricks like Bush and Cheney and Rummy and Rove bring that out in me too, but not nearly to the same extent as the aforementioned evil pricks.

That's the problem in the world -- too many evil pricks running around with nothing better to do than be evil pricks. They need to take up quilting or something.

mvscal wrote:

jiminphilly wrote:You'd think he'd survive in prison?

Yes, I do. I'm not sure where you get the idea that prisons are filled with patriotic citizens.

I'm all for his execution, however it happens. But if he were to be put into general population I'm not so sure some prison lifer wouldn't shoot for fame and off this shit bag. In fact once he's in there I'd cheer for a prison riot just so other mussies and low lifes were killed over.. it might help the over-crowding issue a bit.

They're both heroes.

- IBitchalot

Bizzarofelice wrote:i'd rather he rot in jail so the zealots can't martyr him.

RACK

PSUFAN wrote:
Offing Saddam will be the most humane thing we've done yet.

Shame it didn't happen 25 years ago.

Just force feed him pork before his execution. Then he is killed and not a martyr......

Nishlord wrote:I'm no advocate of the death penalty, but they might as well off this bloke now. He's obviously madder than a tin of dog turds, changes his story every five minutes and would love to be martyred, while the usual knee-jerkers want him fried. Everyone's a winner.

As the US court adjourned yesterday, terror suspect
Zacharias Moussaoui chanted "Burn in the USA" to the
tune of Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA."

I always thought he was a plant hired by the US government,
in the same way Jerry Springer and Maury Povich hire plants
to pretend to be trash/ghetto/barrio for ratings.

except this is like that movie with Nick Nolte, or the Kurt
Vonnegut story (where 'you are what you pretend to be').

The breaking point for me was when he shouted 'I am Al Queda!'

That's hammy. But that ain't real.

He is an intentional flash point.

I wonder what they offered him to go Worf for the Klingon Empire?

Let him go.

Set him free...on the streets of Baghdad.

No no no no. If you think he doesn't have $1,000,000,000 bricked up in some wall in Baghdad, and folks who are willing to take a chunk of it to help him, then you and I disagree.

I don't want him running into Jimmah in Palm Springs, gettin' busy tanning and tool-lashing hookers

Nishlord wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:i'd rather he rot in jail so the zealots can't martyr him.

^ gets it.

I'd rather not pay out massive tax dollars in perpetuity to keep him in prison isolation forever.

Just turn him loose in the Aryan Brotherhood shower room and call it good.

They wouldn't like this cat though, not one little bit.

:-)

Just one slug in his eye, and page the janitor. Call an end to it for god's sake.

mvscal wrote:

Van wrote:Just turn him loose in the Aryan Brotherhood shower room and call it good.

White supremacists are big Islamofascist fans. McVeigh loved Saddam.

Yep, in fact, many were lauding 9-11 and suggested "the movement" grow a pair of balls themselves and do something similiar.

Cicero wrote:Kill him quick, so he isnt used as a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip?

How does he become a bargaining chip if we don't bargain with terrorists? Or is Bush planning on bargaining with terrorists as well?

His defense attorney cringes at his insistence in being put on the stand. A prosecutor asked him if he wants to die and he said he didn't, he wants to go to prison and continue to kill Americans there also. If he doesn't take the juice or ride the lightnin', he will be isolated fron the general population. With extra security necessary, the often-heard figure of $100,000 per year to keep a prisoner could go to $250,000/yr for this maggot. If a life sentence is the case, why not forty years of hard labor?
I'll finish the picture.
To perform hard labor, he would need a hammer, a shovel..something he could use as a weapon to attack his guards..his armed guards. The guards would be forced to shoot him..ZM gets dead, no lengthy appeal process..case closed. Martydom? Maybe, but wgara? Reprisals en masse from his cohorts? Great..let them all come out in a public square . Fish in a barrel.

Jack Ruby, where have you gone?

Moussaoui is more electable than Ted Kennedy, Hilary, Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, and Captain Crunch.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Cicero wrote:Kill him quick, so he isnt used as a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip?

How does he become a bargaining chip if we don't bargain with terrorists? Or is Bush planning on bargaining with terrorists as well?

Maybe not Bush, but what if a Dem wins the election in '08.

Which POTUS was it that popularized the "we don't bargain with terrorists" folktale?

BTW, that same POTUS did in fact spend a good deal of time actually bargaining with terrorists.

Cicero wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Cicero wrote:Kill him quick, so he isnt used as a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip?

How does he become a bargaining chip if we don't bargain with terrorists? Or is Bush planning on bargaining with terrorists as well?

Maybe not Bush, but what if a Dem wins the election in '08.

Let's offer up m2, Caddie, and a mod to be named later for Moussaoui then hook him up with Nocal at a tour stop.

Cicero wrote:

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Cicero wrote:Kill him quick, so he isnt used as a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip?

How does he become a bargaining chip if we don't bargain with terrorists? Or is Bush planning on bargaining with terrorists as well?

Maybe not Bush, but what if a Dem wins the election in '08.

Every time I read a Cicero post, I need to shove the leaking braincells back into my earholes with a Q-Tip.

God, please make someone from Saudi Arabia crash a plane into his ignorant maw.

That's your fault Al... You make the repeated mistake of actually reading his posts.