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Kansas City Chiefs ..D



In terms of filling needs, the Chiefs accomplished their tasks. In terms of taking players at points of value, however, the Chiefs' draft was a little lacking. Defensive end Tamba Hali is a natural pass rusher with a terrific work ethic, but lacks top athleticism and upside. Strong safety Bernard Pollard in the second round might have been the Chiefs' best pick. Pollard has great size and attacks the line of scrimmage against the run. The Chiefs addressed their lack of depth at quarterback behind Trent Green with Alabama's Brodie Croyle in the third round. While Croyle is an established passer, he also has struggled greatly with injuries over his career. Croyle has missed time with torn ACLs to both knees, as well as torn labrum (shoulder) and dislocated elbow injuries that date back to high school. Cornerback Marcus Maxey of Miami and wide receiver Jeff Webb of San Diego State could surprise.


Oakland Raiders ..A-



The Raiders didn't make the flashy picks like so many of their past drafts, but their 2006 collection could be one of the league's best. They found an enforcer for the secondary in Texas safety Michael Huff in the first round. The Raiders continued to focus on defense, adding athletic outside linebacker Thomas Howard from UTEP in the second round and falling star Darnell Bing in the fourth. Bing was listed by many as a possible first-round pick at safety, but plummeted amid concerns about his quickness and instincts as a pass defender. The Raiders feel that Bing, at 6-2, 227, projects best as a weakside linebacker. The Raiders also added quality developmental prospects for the offensive line in Paul McQuistan and Kevin Boothe in the third and sixth rounds.


San Diego Chargers ...C



The Chargers addressed two areas of clear need with cornerback Antonio Cromartie and offensive tackle Marcus McNeill in the first and second rounds. Cromartie has spectacular upside, but missed all of last season with a torn ACL and only has one career start. That said, his Florida State coaches claim he was the best athlete to play for them since Deion Sanders and was viewed as a possible top 10 selection before the injury. McNeill, at 6-6, 336 pounds, hasn't allowed a sack since his freshman season,but dropped a bit due to stenosis (narrowing) of the spine. Though he hasn't had any problems with the injury in recent years, the concern was there. In the middle rounds, the Chargers were able to land solid developmental prospects at quarterback in Charlie Whitehurst and inside linebacker in Tim Dobbins.


Denver Broncos ...A-



Due to multiple trades, the Broncos had flexibility and took full advantage. They traded up to nab their quarterback of the future in Jay Cutler. He has the arm and moxie the Broncos like and will have time to acclimate to the NFL with Jake Plummer manning the ship. The team then sent their second round choice to the Packers for disgruntled wideout Javon Walker, fulfilling their biggest need. Finally, Denver nabbed athletic, but raw tight end Tony Scheffler from Western Michigan in the third. Of the Broncos' second day selections, linemen were certainly key. Denver has a history of success with middle- and late-round offensive linemen and this could continue with Chris Kuper and Greg Eslinger. Taking the trade for Javon Walker into account, the Broncos added an immediate playmaker and their future quarterback, as well.


Bob Rang.. http://articles.news.aol.com/sports/art ... 1809990001

Dallas got a D+???

WTF?

Smoke another

Pats get the B+. I am in line to agree with that........

DallasFanatic wrote:Dallas got a D+???

WTF?

Smoke another

If they take justice, I would've given them a B-


Homeboy is going to be a good pro.




I'll agree with the Raider grade-it was nice to see them go after useful talent NOW to fill our critical positions instead of long reach bullshit potential.

Can't argue with the A grade for the Eagles. Bunkely was a no-brainer (thank you Matt Millen). They completely got over on the league by moving up to grab Justice in the 2nd Round. He was the 2nd best OL in the draft and they don't normally fall the 2nd round. ... and to nab Max Jean Jiles in the 4th (after a trade) was also a very smart and aggressive move. Their O line is going to be very very good for a long time.

Their WR position is still unremarkable. They'll address the RB position through June 1st cuts. I wanted them to draft a replacement for Dawkins but they must know of some potential free agents that could replace him.

jiminphilly wrote:Can't argue with the A grade for the Eagles. Bunkely was a no-brainer (thank you Matt Millen). They completely got over on the league by moving up to grab Justice in the 2nd Round. He was the 2nd best OL in the draft and they don't normally fall the 2nd round. ... and to nab Max Jean Jiles in the 4th (after a trade) was also a very smart and aggressive move. Their O line is going to be very very good for a long time.

Their WR position is still unremarkable. They'll address the RB position through June 1st cuts. I wanted them to draft a replacement for Dawkins but they must know of some potential free agents that could replace him.

I like that pick even more than Justice. That was a steal.



m2

Just got home from coachella


Good draft for the Raiders. I like the Darnell Bing pick the guy was solid at SC.

Glad they resisted taking Leinert we need help on defense not another QB. Huff will be a solid CB/safety for years to come. Not the next Ronnie Lott but possibly the next Albert Lewis.

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:Hate to say it, but the Donkeys potentially had their best draft in YEARS. As for the rest of the AFC West teams, time will certainly tell how they panned out.

Well I’ll be go to hell!!!
I’m not sure, but I think KCPaul wrote: Hate to say it, but the Broncos kicked ass in this year’s draft as the rest of us in the AFC West played with our yogurt slingers

The Assassin wrote:Just got home from coachella


Good draft for the Raiders. I like the Darnell Bing pick the guy was solid at SC.

Glad they resisted taking Leinert we need help on defense not another QB. Huff will be a solid CB/safety for years to come. Not the next Ronnie Lott but possibly the next Albert Lewis.

WTF were you doing in coachella Assassin? Thats even further east than me

<karma>Cutler is a fucking country bumpkin, workout warrior who is a guaranteed bust, as I said from the beginning. He will be a miserable flop at the next level a la Kyle Boller.</karma>

DallasFanatic wrote:

The Assassin wrote:Just got home from coachella


Good draft for the Raiders. I like the Darnell Bing pick the guy was solid at SC.

Glad they resisted taking Leinert we need help on defense not another QB. Huff will be a solid CB/safety for years to come. Not the next Ronnie Lott but possibly the next Albert Lewis.

WTF were you doing in coachella Assassin? Thats even further east than me

Getting wasted at the music fest.

If it's fashionable to get all jizzy over Dungver's draft day(s) then I'm sportin' Greg Brady bell bottoms.

A-fucking-minus for that piece of shit draft...?

O tay...


8 years post horseface and Dungver is still pissin' in the wind as far as finding a LEADER at that position.

But yeah, Jay Cuntler will lead the way in a couple o' short years.

You just watch.

Bwa.... ha ... ha .... har har har


knot


Javon Walkertude ... ?

One good year, injury, 'tude ...... but he's gonna fill Rod Smith's role on the team...?

Oh goodie.


Take your A- and shove it deep.


Fuck Dungver, and fuck their faggot coach.

More like in Oakland's midseason form.

Christ, what a take.

RAAAAAAAACK fucking tart.

The Raiders needed a qb and they missed.

Al's clouded mind couldn't get Toddy M. out.

Andrew Walter was an injury mess at ASU and has continued to live up to that ability now that he's in the NFL.

Leinart maybe an Asshole, but he would have been "your" asshole.

Huff will be a great player... no doubt. But he'll never be Ronnie Lott, thus he wasn't worth a top 10 pick.

The Raiders could have done worse... but they still missed on this one. Oh well.


m2

Grading a draft before anybody has even played a down is a joke.......unless your nic is m2. :wink:

PS - With the bolts selecting a 3rd string QB in the 3rd and another kicker you'd think they were a perennial playoff team......Fart

I was glad Oakland passed on Lienart and took Huff, '2.
I'm not convinced Lienart is going to do great things at the NFL level.
I also don't know that he's a good fit for getting the ball deep to Moss, and perhaps that factored into the decision to pass on him.

Oakland already has a considerable amount of $$$ tied up on the offensive side of the ball, and it brought a smile to this fan's face to see them go DEFENSE in this draft.

Defensive end Tamba Hali is a natural pass rusher with a terrific work ethic, but lacks top athleticism and upside.

Mind explaining what exactly is meant by "lacks upside"? Should we call officer Luther in for a look-see?

Hali is a great player. Chief_fan got a good one.

PSUFAN wrote:

Defensive end Tamba Hali is a natural pass rusher with a terrific work ethic, but lacks top athleticism and upside.

Mind explaining what exactly is meant by "lacks upside"? Should we call officer Luther in for a look-see?

Hali is a great player. Chief_fan got a good one.

"Lacks upside" means that he is as good as he is going to get and won't likely improve much more. Therefore, the team drafting him is expecting an immediate impact from said player as opposed to a project player who would be given a little more time to be developed.

That being said, I'm pretty sure Hali isn't gay.

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:I was glad Oakland passed on Lienart and took Huff, '2.

Who is your quarterback again?

Lienart is an unknown at the NFL level, and as far as your question goes, your Blots might have asked themself that question before kicking a very tough and productive kid like Drew to the curb.

poptart wrote:

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:I was glad Oakland passed on Lienart and took Huff, '2.

Who is your quarterback again?

Lienart is an unknown at the NFL level, and as far as your question goes, your Blots might have asked themself that question before kicking a very tough and productive kid like Drew to the curb.

okay, we know you don't think much of Lienart.....

but we still don't have the answer.....who's your starting QB again?

As it stands right now it'll be an open competition between Tui, Walter, and Brooks.

poptart wrote:As it stands right now it'll be an open competition between Tui, Walter, and Brooks.

well.....good luck with that......

For his career, your Flummer has put up inferior numbers next to Brooks, Cat.

But hey, I'm not comfortable with the Raider QB situation.
If a legit stud QB had been available at the #7 spot I wouldn't have been adverse to Oakland drafting him.
I just am not of the opinion that Lienart is that guy.

Oakland was horrible in SO many areas last year that even attempting to fill them all in one off-season is an exercise in futility, IMO.

They went defense in the draft and I am cool with it.

I was hoping that they could end up snagging S. McNair this off-season, but that doesn't appear to be on the horizon.

Oh well.

'Our' QB situation isn't unlike your own, glass house Felez.

poptart wrote:

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:I was glad Oakland passed on Lienart and took Huff, '2.

Who is your quarterback again?

Lienart is an unknown at the NFL level, and as far as your question goes, your Blots might have asked themself that question before kicking a very tough and productive kid like Drew to the curb.

Why go with an unknown when you can go with a proven loser?

poptart wrote: 'Our' QB situation isn't unlike your own, glass house Felez.

Take it from the guy who mocks his own QB in his sig...Your situation is MUCH worse.

WhyI'mLame,

Brooks has a QB rating of almost 80. for his career.
Flummer has a 75.1.

Brooks has passed for 3200 yds a season.
Flummer ..... just a tad over 3000.

Brooks 120-84 TD-INT ratio
Flummer 150-148

Brooks 1-1 in post season.
Flummer 2-4

Dungver's overall TEAM was far superior to Oakland's last year.
Not much of it has to do with Flummer's greatness.
They won despite him.


Take a hike, fuck-puddle.
You're dismissed.

Jake might not be John Elway (see sig, dipshit), but at least he came off a year that was about 10 times better than that of Aaron Brooks. And we have a rookie to groom to boot, while Al Davis was dumb enough to pass on Leinart. And while it's my opinion Cutler ain't all that, I do know for sure A) your quarterback is Brooks, B) he cries when he loses late in games a la Kordell, and C) you have no rookie to groom and no future at the QB position to look forward to.

Enjoy the basement, homer.

HowMuchCockisDownmyThroat? wrote:...C) you have no rookie to groom and no future at the QB position to look forward to.

Maybe you should actually take look at the teams in the AFC west besides the mules. If you did you'd know that the Raiduh's took a QB last year in the 2nd rd & taking Leinart really wouldn't make much sense.

Not that Raiduh fan needs any help making you look the fool.......

Bingo, Joe.

The 'no rookie to groom' take was of the fool.

Oakland has a 2nd yr QB to groom.

Hell, he may get the nod when all is said and done.

Brooks openly acknowledges that it's an open competition.


Brooks has been too up-and-down for my liking, and I don't think he's shown a lot in the leadership dept either.
He'll make some plays, yeah, but he's also shown a maddening ability to be a grade-A knucklehead.
I like a qb to be consistent, smart, tough, and perhaps most importantly, a LEADER.
Brooks plays a bit like Carrie Collins ....... with more mobility.
I'm not comfortable with what I've seen of him.

Mule fan ought not be comfortable with Flake either.
He's no leader, and when Pittsburgh made it verrah hot for him in a big-time game he went Chernobyl.

Good thing the Hee Haws got their stellar rook' to groom though.

Oakland's offense will be just fine . That WR corp is deep , and fast . Lamont Jordan should have a better season than last . Overall , they have some solid football talent on the offensive side of the ball , along with the studs Moss and Porter . Brooks can beat you with his mobilty too . He has beaten the Niners a couple of times using his scramble ablity . If there is a question about his leadership , ya gotta remember , he played in New Orleans . That team is a fukken mess . Oakland's problems are really about leadership , and discipline . Shell should be able to get the players back in line , and playing solid football . They just shut down under Turner .

Walter has the tools to make a fine QB , has a cannon arm , solid footwork , and is better value where he was picked , than choosing Lienhart @ # 9 this past draft . Oaklands needs are defense . They already have the impact players on offense . And they addressed that with thier first pick .

Oakland is the team to watch in the AFC West . They have the tools . They just need to put it together .

poptart wrote:Bingo, Joe.

The 'no rookie to groom' take was of the fool.

Oakland has a 2nd yr QB to groom.

Hell, he may get the nod when all is said and done.

Sorry, I just had to laugh!!!

Must have missed my post earlier...

I've been watching the guy since he was a red-shirt freshman at ASU.

Andrew Walter: "I'm just sitting here lathering up the sunscreen. It's around 75 degrees most of the time. It's a tough life, but someone has to lead it."


Good luck with that... :wink:

drummer wrote:
Walter has the tools to make a fine QB , has a cannon arm , solid footwork , and is better value where he was picked , than choosing Lienhart @ # 9 this past draft .

Bro, you've never seen Walter play a single down in college football, and you make this statement?



Instead of reading what is written on the net or what's in the paper... try watching a college game.

......and when Pittsburgh made it verrah hot for him in a big-time game he went Chernobyl.

so did Manning......your point?

m2 wrote:

poptart wrote:Bingo, Joe.

The 'no rookie to groom' take was of the fool.

Oakland has a 2nd yr QB to groom.

Hell, he may get the nod when all is said and done.

Sorry, I just had to laugh!!!

Must have missed my post earlier...

I've been watching the guy since he was a red-shirt freshman at ASU.

Andrew Walter: "I'm just sitting here lathering up the sunscreen. It's around 75 degrees most of the time. It's a tough life, but someone has to lead it."


Good luck with that... :wink:

drummer wrote:
Walter has the tools to make a fine QB , has a cannon arm , solid footwork , and is better value where he was picked , than choosing Lienhart @ # 9 this past draft .

Bro, you've never seen Walter play a single down in college football, and you make this statement?



Instead of reading what is written on the net or what's in the paper... try watching a college game.

Form what I've in an NFL pre-season game , Walter shows some good upside .

Let me put it this way : Walter has more of physical tools and a chance to start than Ken Dorsey .

drummer wrote:Oakland's offense will be just fine . That WR corp is deep , and fast . Lamont Jordan should have a better season than last . Overall , they have some solid football talent on the offensive side of the ball , along with the studs Moss and Porter . Brooks can beat you with his mobilty too . He has beaten the Niners a couple of times using his scramble ablity . If there is a question about his leadership , ya gotta remember , he played in New Orleans . That team is a fukken mess . Oakland's problems are really about leadership , and discipline . Shell should be able to get the players back in line , and playing solid football . They just shut down under Turner .

Walter has the tools to make a fine QB , has a cannon arm , solid footwork , and is better value where he was picked , than choosing Lienhart @ # 9 this past draft . Oaklands needs are defense . They already have the impact players on offense . And they addressed that with thier first pick .

Oakland is the team to watch in the AFC West . They have the tools . They just need to put it together .

My real concern with the offense is Tom Walsh.

the same Tom Walsh who hasnt called an NFL offensive play in over 12 years. The same Tom Walsh Hoss and Tim Brown would get into shouting matches on the sidelines with over the inept play calls. Oakland needs diversity in the offense or we'll get pummeled. Chucking the ball downfield to Moss everytime isn't going to get things done.


BTW Taking Lienert would have been foolish. We can't stop the run or the pass and instead of addessing that need we go get another QB? The Raiders made the correct decision despite what m2 Kiper thinks.

Felix wrote:

......and when Pittsburgh made it verrah hot for him in a big-time game he went Chernobyl.

so did Manning......your point?

Point is WoManning is 3-6 in post season, and Flummer is 2-4.

Neither is to be counted on to produce a W at nut-cuttin' time.

Are you dense .... ?


Maybe you've got goo-goo eyes for Peeton because 2 of his 3 post season Ws have come at the expense of the Donkeys ..... to the tune of an average score of 45-17 (9 tds, 1 pick).

*OUCH* Those left a mark.





For what it's worth, I'm concerned about Walsh too, JT.

Bill Walsh woulda been nice....

poptart wrote:
Point is WoManning is 3-6 in post season, and Flummer is 2-4.

Neither is to be counted on to produce a W at nut-cuttin' time.

Ironic that both teams were taken
out by a really good defense isn't it.....



walsh will be all right......not this year.....but next...

of course that assumes Raydud fans don't run him.....



have you sampled Korean cat yet.....

Not that I am aware of.