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The Arabs only have themselves to blame.


Who is responsible for the Palestinian refugee problem?

Although the Arab states originally rejected UN General Assembly Resolution 194 of December 1948, they now claim that this resolution offers the refugees a "right of return" to Israel. However, the relevant section of the resolution (paragraph 11) clearly does not recognize a right of return, but merely recommends that refugees should be permitted to return. Moreover, when referring to this resolution, a number of points should be remembered:

The resolution does not state that there is an unconditional "right" of return. On the contrary, it sets certain preconditions and limits for return, foremost among them that the refugees must be willing to live in peace with their neighbors.

The resolution specifically uses the general term "refugees" and not "Arab refugees", thereby indicating that the resolution is aimed at all refugees, both Jewish and Arab. It should be remembered that following the establishment of Israel in 1948, at least an equal number of Jewish residents of Arab states were forced to become refugees.

Hey Nicky... where are the "rights" of return for these people?

mvscal wrote:Why are there even any "refugees" at all after 58 fucking years?

Because the shitty little race-state that you dopes keep sending your kids to die for wont let them back into their homes.

mvscal wrote:Why are there even any "refugees" at all after 58 fucking years?

There were over 100 million refugees in Europe after WW2. They have all long since been resettled while a few hundred thousand Arabs are still moping around in "refugee camps" fifty years later along with the explodobots they call grandkids.

Their fellow Arabs don't want them. Why should we give a fuck?

Maybe corrupt leaders that confiscate all the aid money into Swiss accounts so their fat wives can have 300 million bucks has plays a role...

m2 wrote:
Hey Nicky... where are the "rights" of return for these people?

Boy do you sure have alot of reading to do.

The Arab countries, with the sole exception of Jordan, have perpetuated the refugee problem to serve as a weapon in their struggle against Israel. The refugees continue to live in crowded camps, in poverty and despair. No attempt was made to integrate them into the various countries and communities in the region. Hundreds of thousands of refugees remain today in a number of Arab countries with no political, economic or social rights.

Gotta love those "Arab" family values.

If I didn't know any better... I think these people would have their own kids killed for $25,000.

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:Because the shitty little race-state that you dopes keep sending your kids to die for wont let them back into their homes.

They lost the war. They aren't going back at all...ever. Get it through your thick fucking skull.

Time to turn the page and get on with life.

At least we can agree that not a single hair on a single Jewish head should be harmed as long as there is a long line up of young, American dumbfucks, ready to sign on the dotted line.

mvscal wrote:Your strawman isn't going to play.

American Soldiers - a pulse = deep, luxurious tans for vacationing American Jews on Tel Aviv's sun-washed beaches.

mvscal wrote:American soldiers have nothing to do with the problem of "Palestinian" "refugees".

So why bring it into the discussion? Intellectually dishonest much?

Oh yeah, you invaded Iraq because they were a threat to the continental U.S.

My bad.

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:American soldiers have nothing to do with the problem of "Palestinian" "refugees".

So why bring it into the discussion? Intellectually dishonest much?

Oh yeah, you invaded Iraq because they were a threat to the continental U.S.

My bad.

Huh?

You said the tea in "China" was how much?

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote:Why are there even any "refugees" at all after 58 fucking years?

Because the shitty little race-state that you dopes keep sending your kids to die for wont let them back into their homes.

Why can't the jews return to the 15-20 other shitty little race states they were expelled from?

Is there a reason or are you just a racist?

mvscal wrote: The topic under discussion is the Arab culpability in perpetuating the issue of "Palestinian refugees." This has nothing to do with Iraq or American soldiers. Your vain attempt to divert the issue has been noted.

The issue of Palestinian refugees not being allowed the right of return because America props up that shitty little race state and is hostage to it's pernicious whims has everything to do with this thread.

Your denial and embarassment has been noted.

Oh, by the way, that fact that Israeli agents perpetrated terror attacks against Jewish population in Arab countries ain't exactly a secret.

mvscal wrote: They're not being allowed to return because THEY LOST. What part of 'there are consequences to defeat' are you struggling to comprehend?

Conquest of land due to military adventure is an international war crime as stated in treaties
your own country has fucking signed.

You are Israel's bitch. Know your role.

mvscal wrote: Oh, by the way, what do your precious international treaties have to say about the deliberate murder of non-combatants by suicide bombers?

That's rich.

You might wanna check out an Iraq civilian casualty list.
"Haji" ain't responsible for the vast majority of those deaths.

Martyred wrote:The issue of Palestinian refugees not being allowed the right of return because America props up that shitty little race state and is hostage to it's pernicious whims has everything to do with this thread.

Hey frenchy, the arabs don't have a "right" to return!!!

If you can show me where they have a "right" to return... we can keep discussing your ass-kicking.

Frenchy a.k.a. "Martyred"... and his people have a lot in common with the arabs, they both don't know how to "fight".

mvscal wrote:

Martyred wrote:Because the shitty little race-state that you dopes keep sending your kids to die for wont let them back into their homes.

They lost several wars. They aren't going back at all...ever.

FTFY.

Why doesn't Israel start offing those trolls already?

Martyred wrote:

mvscal wrote: Oh, by the way, what do your precious international treaties have to say about the deliberate murder of non-combatants by suicide bombers?

That's rich.

You might wanna check out an Iraq civilian casualty list.
"Haji" ain't responsible for the vast majority of those deaths.

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Example of not answering the question....

Looks like Nicky is avoiding this one...

Jews lived peacefully and productively in all the Arab nations before the Zionist invasion.

Remember, the Palestinians fought valiently beside the British in expelling the Ottoman empire from Palestine in 1918. Then Britain stabbed them square in the back with the Balfour Amendment. Everything having to due with the establishment of the Zionist race state experiment has been based on duplicity and sheer moral leprosy. For example: it's well known that shiploads of Jewish refugees were refused from American ports during WWII. What's not well known is that this drastic and anti-American decision was pressured by the Zionists themselves--who of course wanted the ONLY recourse for fleeing Jews to be Palestine. Similarly, Rudolph Kastner, prominent Zionist leader in Hungary during the war, worked hand in glove with Eichmann--essentially assuring smooth delivery of over 400,000 Jews to Aushwitz in return for a few thousand handpicked (hearty young) Jews to be allowed passage to Palestine.

And when the American spy ship U.S.S. Liberty was apparently a little too close to General Sharon executing several thousand Egyptian prisoners in 1967 (in the "pre-emptive" war launched by Israel), the Israeli air force and navy attacked it for two hours--with napalm and missles--murdering 36 American servicemen.

Who are the ruthless criminals again?

I feel bad for the innocent Palestineans that are held accountable for the insane and criminal actions of their extremist countrymen.

I feel bad for the innocent Israelis that are held accountable for the insane and criminal actions of their extremist countrymen.

PSUFAN wrote:
I feel bad for the innocent Israelis that are held accountable for the insane and criminal actions of their extremist countrymen.

Can you elaborate....or is this a bout of moral relativism....

LTS TRN 2 wrote: And when the American spy ship U.S.S. Liberty was apparently a little too close to General Sharon executing several thousand Egyptian prisoners in 1967 (in the "pre-emptive" war launched by Israel), the Israeli air force and navy attacked it for two hours--with napalm and missles--murdering 36 American servicemen.

Who are the ruthless criminals again?

They machine gunned survivors in life rafts.

Nice friends you got there.

The Seer wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:
I feel bad for the innocent Israelis that are held accountable for the insane and criminal actions of their extremist countrymen.

Can you elaborate....or is this a bout of moral relativism....

I'm not sure how much more clear I could possibly be. I feel bad for Israelis that live in fear of terrorism coming as reponse to extremists like Baruch Goldstein. Is it engaging in Moral Relativism to detest such terrorists?

Most people want to live in peace. The Baruch Goldsteins and OBLs of the world won't let them.

PSUFAN wrote:

The Seer wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:
I feel bad for the innocent Israelis that are held accountable for the insane and criminal actions of their extremist countrymen.

Can you elaborate....or is this a bout of moral relativism....

I'm not sure how much more clear I could possibly be. I feel bad for Israelis that live in fear of terrorism coming as reponse to extremists like Baruch Goldstein. Is it engaging in Moral Relativism to detest such terrorists?

Most people want to live in peace. The Baruch Goldsteins and OBLs of the world won't let them.

I'm not a math major, but if you factor the # of Baruch Goldstein types in Israel, vs. the # of wannabe & have been suicide bombers, you have an equation that would result in a highly disproportionate negative solution...

I'm still wondering what the actual point of this thread was/is.

Were there Jewish refugees? Sure.
Were there Arab refugees? Sure.
Were there Jewish terrorists? Sure.
Were there Arab terrorists? Sure.

Surely some folks don't see things that way, big surprise. My take is that the real enemy in the Middle East is zealotry.

What do Arab zealots strive for? The total elimination of Israel.
What do Zion's zealots strive for? The total elimination of Palestine.

Guess what? The fact is, neither are in the cards. Thousands more yet will be blown to hamburger but for a realization of that simple fact.

So is it a bout of moral relativism with me that opposes zealotry? I think not.

Surely you're not contending that Goldstein had no admirers.

Save yourself the effort and admit it - in both Islam and Judaism (and Christianity), the actions of extremists are condemned by the overwhelming majority of their countrymen.

PSUFAN wrote:Surely you're not contending that Goldstein had no admirers.

Save yourself the effort and admit it - in both Islam and Judaism (and Christianity), the actions of extremists are condemned by the overwhelming majority of their countrymen.

PSU, eject now....Know the limitations of your argument before engaging...don't go Custer on us....

The Seer wrote:

PSUFAN wrote:Surely you're not contending that Goldstein had no admirers.

Save yourself the effort and admit it - in both Islam and Judaism (and Christianity), the actions of extremists are condemned by the overwhelming majority of their countrymen.

PSU, eject now....Know the limitations of your argument before engaging...don't go Custer on us....

He might find out they elected a terrorist organization.

Oh, and Begin wasn't a terrorist elected by the Israelis? He blew up a fucking hotel--murdering over a hundred people, mostly British officials. And lot's of other murderous shit.

If a terrorist WARNS someone...then it's okay?


Sorry, bab's, but you are one sick puppy. You're also an idiot and have been dead wrong over the years on every position you've baldly fronted in your lock-step Rove speak mouthings.