Barbaro will win the Triple Crown

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:40 pm

isn't the Belmont and its length
the real test of a triple crown champion ??
I guess we will find out if Barbaro wins today !

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:20 pm

Barbaro = DONE!!!

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:24 pm

too bad

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:27 pm

the terrible hidden cost of horse racing ??

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:28 pm

Diego can visit Barbaro at
the "vet's" hospital !

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:32 pm

seriously though--

when a great racer gets injured like that
does he still have stud value ???
I want to picture Barbaro never having
to race again and only have all the mares he
can handle and crank out baby horses !!
anyone know ??? Zyclone ???

Eaglebauer · Post by **Eaglebauer** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:34 pm

Wolfman wrote:seriously though--

when a great racer gets injured like that
does he still have stud value ???
I want to picture Barbaro never having
to race again and only have all the mares he
can handle and crank out baby horses !!
anyone know ??? Zyclone ???

Absolutely. As long as he can stand. Who knows, maybe they can invent an artificial leg for him nowadays.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:46 pm

as a "biologist" I was wondering if
his accident was due to a possible genetic flaw
and therefore rendering the horse
(sorry for the bad pun) useless in
breeding stock ??

input anyone ??

Eaglebauer · Post by **Eaglebauer** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:57 pm

Yeah I don't know about that.

I was thinking the premature gate crash may have had a lot to do with it.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:11 pm

I'll never forget the look on Barbaro's face as they took him away.

Rip City

Q, West Coast Style · Sat May 20, 2006 11:23 pm

Triple Crown

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:52 pm

he's glue if its serious

even if hes glue, the owners will get a nice insurance check

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:49 am

Fuck! He broke down right in front of me mabey 20 yards, I was in the inner turf by the finish, I did have my owners/VIP card and made it to the paddock were the md state vet and dr Bramledge were talking and they both agreed he broke a cannon bone(very repairale) and a fractured seismoid(thats scary as if it clots he is done!) as is clotting happend blow the ankle its like a dead fingernail, but the horse need the hoof(nail) to stand up and when its dead so is the horse.

He's been rushed to the U Penn Vet clinic were Dr Brambledge and all the Vets are headed.. He cant be in better hands folks!

Did hit the exacta for at $20 1750 and change but wont cash it til i know Barbaros fate.

Always bet the Indys!

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:02 am

Jsc810 wrote:Thanks for the update Zy, if you hear anything else please post.

surgery is sceduled in the AM. im on the phone as im posting. Not that the losers care but, for the folks that do, I'll update as I get info..

Man fuck me I said the only way he loses is if he breaks down!

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:39 am

How eerie was it when he broke through the gate and Garu Stevens voice was trembling as he said it wasn't a good sign. Talk about understatement of the century. Who would have thought we'd all see what happened next.

It was messed up...simple as that. I was watchin with my Mom and 8 yr old son. My youngest didn't know what was going on. My Mom was cryin...it was pretty damn emotional. The breakdown was bad enough, but I really feel bad for Bernardini's connections as what should have been a HUGE prideful moment was marred by what happened on the track. I'd never seen a nationally televised stakes winner never get the post victory interview. I think NBC might have covered the trophy presentation and all (I was away from the TV for a few), but if they did it got little coverage.

It's days like today that makes you sometimes wonder if horse racing isnt a fucked up thing. I just hope Barbaro can stand at stud and fuck mares the rest of his life....he deserves that much.

BTW...nice hit on the EX Zy....the TRI and Super paid ridiculously as well.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:06 am

Roofer wrote:How eerie was it when he broke through the gate and Garu Stevens voice was trembling as he said it wasn't a good sign. Talk about understatement of the century. Who would have thought we'd all see what happened next.

It was messed up...simple as that. I was watchin with my Mom and 8 yr old son. My youngest didn't know what was going on. My Mom was cryin...it was pretty damn emotional. The breakdown was bad enough, but I really feel bad for Bernardini's connections as what should have been a HUGE prideful moment was marred by what happened on the track. I'd never seen a nationally televised stakes winner never get the post victory interview. I think NBC might have covered the trophy presentation and all (I was away from the TV for a few), but if they did it got little coverage.

It's days like today that makes you sometimes wonder if horse racing isnt a fucked up thing. I just hope Barbaro can stand at stud and fuck mares the rest of his life....he deserves that much.

BTW...nice hit on the EX Zy....the TRI and Super paid ridiculously as well.

Roof, I was right by the winners circle but payed no attention to the race other then watching Prado try to save his mount, I had no idea I won nor did I care, my eyes were on Barbaro. when the carted him off I tryed to b-line for the paddock when 3 dudes that resemble RTS said i had to back off, I looked at them and laughed flashed my owners bage(which had no pull today but they curred like the white trash mullet thst RTS is) and walked across the turf and dirt and went right in the paddock were NBC was talking to Dr Bramledge, then saw the MD state vet with him, pulled him aside after the disscussion and got sick to my stomach.

This isnt a Ruffian type if breakdown( she shattered her front), If he dosnt clot in his ankle he will see another day. That being said lets hope he is fighter and pulls through!

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:23 am

I like animals as much as the next guy, but it cracks me up to read posts where people are talkin like this poor horse deserves something like a long and fruitful life just because it can run fast....those nags at the amusement park pony rides do more for more people, and you don't care a whit if your dog eats them for lunch......

Supwiddat?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun May 21, 2006 6:52 am

Toddowen wrote:All smack aside, it was an awful thing to witness.

Thanks for at least redeeming the partial bit of humanity left within you.

I will forever afford you respect for that sentiment.

As for me, it was simply gut-wrenching and heart-breaking...I have not the words to type that can describe.

I don't have a problem with telling Seer to go fuck himself though.

Go fuck yourself, asshole.

Eaglebauer · Post by **Eaglebauer** » Sun May 21, 2006 1:55 pm

Zyclone wrote: Did hit the exacta for at $20 1750 and change

Zyclone wrote: Man fuck me I said the only way he loses is if he breaks down!

So I guessed you boxed the entire card.

How much did you lose on the race?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:23 pm

War Wagon wrote:
As for me, it was simply gut-wrenching and heart-breaking...I have not the words to type that can describe.

How many lunches together did you and the horse have? Every time one of our soldiers dies in Iraq, you don't post how "gut wrenching" or "heart-breaking" it is.....

Dude, shake yourself. Priorities. Maybe in heaven you can share stall space with Mr. Ed......

War Wagon....indeed......

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:36 pm

The Seer wrote:
War Wagon wrote:
As for me, it was simply gut-wrenching and heart-breaking...I have not the words to type that can describe.

How many lunches together did you and the horse have? Every time one of our soldiers dies in Iraq, you don't post how "gut wrenching" or "heart-breaking" it is.....

Dude, shake yourself. Priorities. Maybe in heaven you can share stall space with Mr. Ed......

War Wagon....indeed......

Your avatar is gettin' Whitey all choked up.

mothster · Post by **mothster** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:37 pm

i'm as big an animal guy as the next but this river crying over a racehorse is laughable........big bussiness snobs lose an investment, collect insurance and could give a fuck about the middle class

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:37 pm

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:43 pm

mothster wrote:i'm as big an animal guy as the next but this river crying over a racehorse is laughable........big bussiness snobs lose an investment, collect insurance and could give a fuck about the middle class

Piss on the richy riches who own these animals but I admit, that was difficult to see that horse in pain like that. I don't care if he was going for the second jewel in the Triple Crown...it's a living being. Not to sound too 'tree-huggerish' but I hope the horse will be okay. You really have to wonder what the owners of Barbaro were thinking yesterday when that happened..."damn it, that stupid animal just cost me a chance at more riches and fame" or "I hope that poor thing will be okay".

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:16 pm

hell, 1 daay at fairmount park, a horse called squito had heart attack right after the wire. 3 days later they had a shit load of bbq riblet(or should i call it matted together meat) sandwiches for sale.

that muther tasted good all covered in bbq sauce.

fuck glue, pimloco needs to have bbarbaroq burgers

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:06 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
mothster wrote:i'm as big an animal guy as the next but this river crying over a racehorse is laughable........big bussiness snobs lose an investment, collect insurance and could give a fuck about the middle class

Piss on the richy riches who own these animals but I admit, that was difficult to see that horse in pain like that. I don't care if he was going for the second jewel in the Triple Crown...it's a living being. Not to sound too 'tree-huggerish' but I hope the horse will be okay. You really have to wonder what the owners of Barbaro were thinking yesterday when that happened..."damn it, that stupid animal just cost me a chance at more riches and fame" or "I hope that poor thing will be okay".

Everyone who thinks owners in the Thoroughbred biz don't give a shit about their stable of horses just don't understand the Sport of Kings. Just because they take out an insurance policy on the animal doesn't meant they are sitting back, waiting for the horse to breakdown so they can collect on the policy. That's just ignorant and shows a lack of knowledge. These people can sometimes shell out over a million bucks at a yearling sale to purchase these animals. They take out insurance in the event the horse does have the misfortune of breaking down. They need to protect themselves on their investment, just as any of you would do. This doesn't mean they aren't emotionally concerned for an animal's well being when they suffer a devestating injury like Barbaro did yesterday. The horse racing community is as close knit a sports community as I've seen, and when something like this happens, the entire collective group feels for the horse, the trainer, the jockey who had to do what he could to save the animal's life, the groom, the exercise rider, the owners and everyone else connected with the colt. It's real, and if NBC would have spent some camera time on the crowd yesterday, you would have seen that in the eyes of most people there (Zy can probably attest to that).

Quite simply, those that haven't been in the horse racing world, either from a fan's, bettor's, employee's or owner's perspective, just don't get it when this happens.

As far as comments about it being "just a horse", take your favorite sport...let's say it's the NBA...and have LeBron James suffer an injury that not only immediately ends his career, but also threatens his life, and you will agree that it rarely is treated as just another person. While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won, the fact is, we get numb to that because of the numbers. I suppose if stakes level thoroughbreds died by the dozens, Barbaro's plight might not be as big a story in the sports world as it is.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun May 21, 2006 7:46 pm

Roofer wrote:
As far as comments about it being "just a horse", take your favorite sport...let's say it's the NBA...and have LeBron James suffer an injury that not only immediately ends his career, but also threatens his life, and you will agree that it rarely is treated as just another person. While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won, the fact is, we get numb to that because of the numbers. I suppose if stakes level thoroughbreds died by the dozens, Barbaro's plight might not be as big a story in the sports world as it is.

No one wants to see any animals suffer or die. But you and others come real close to suggesting the value of a human life is equal to that of an animal...which is kinda kooky....

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:12 pm

The Seer wrote:
Roofer wrote:
As far as comments about it being "just a horse", take your favorite sport...let's say it's the NBA...and have LeBron James suffer an injury that not only immediately ends his career, but also threatens his life, and you will agree that it rarely is treated as just another person. While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won, the fact is, we get numb to that because of the numbers. I suppose if stakes level thoroughbreds died by the dozens, Barbaro's plight might not be as big a story in the sports world as it is.
No one wants to see any animals suffer or die. But you and others come real close to suggesting the value of a human life is equal to that of an animal...which is kinda kooky....

Seer, by all means, please do tell how I even remotely suggested that.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:05 pm

Roofer wrote: Quite simply, those that haven't been in the horse racing world, either from a fan's, bettor's, employee's or owner's perspective, just don't get it when this happens.

Amen to that....

Seer

Trying to compare U.S. soldiers dying in Iraq to Barbaro breaking down in his quest for the Triple Crown is laughably ridiculous.

I'm plenty empathetic about all the pain and suffering our troops endure, so you can just end that line of reasoning. This story isn't about that.

It's not about the money either, although I lost plenty. If I hadn't a dime invested in Barbaro, I'd feel the same way.

This story is about a magnificent horse whose shot at glory and fame ended tragically. I'm starting to think that we'll never see another TC winner. It's just too tough.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:14 pm

Roofer wrote:
The Seer wrote:
Roofer wrote:
As far as comments about it being "just a horse", take your favorite sport...let's say it's the NBA...and have LeBron James suffer an injury that not only immediately ends his career, but also threatens his life, and you will agree that it rarely is treated as just another person. While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won, the fact is, we get numb to that because of the numbers. I suppose if stakes level thoroughbreds died by the dozens, Barbaro's plight might not be as big a story in the sports world as it is.
No one wants to see any animals suffer or die. But you and others come real close to suggesting the value of a human life is equal to that of an animal...which is kinda kooky....

Seer, by all means, please do tell how I even remotely suggested that.

Maybe I misread your point. No biggie. A thoroughbred died tragically during the race. Bummer...End of story....

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:27 pm

Roofer wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:
mothster wrote:i'm as big an animal guy as the next but this river crying over a racehorse is laughable........big bussiness snobs lose an investment, collect insurance and could give a fuck about the middle class

Piss on the richy riches who own these animals but I admit, that was difficult to see that horse in pain like that. I don't care if he was going for the second jewel in the Triple Crown...it's a living being. Not to sound too 'tree-huggerish' but I hope the horse will be okay. You really have to wonder what the owners of Barbaro were thinking yesterday when that happened..."damn it, that stupid animal just cost me a chance at more riches and fame" or "I hope that poor thing will be okay".
Everyone who thinks owners in the Thoroughbred biz don't give a shit about their stable of horses just don't understand the Sport of Kings. Just because they take out an insurance policy on the animal doesn't meant they are sitting back, waiting for the horse to breakdown so they can collect on the policy. That's just ignorant and shows a lack of knowledge. These people can sometimes shell out over a million bucks at a yearling sale to purchase these animals. They take out insurance in the event the horse does have the misfortune of breaking down. They need to protect themselves on their investment, just as any of you would do. This doesn't mean they aren't emotionally concerned for an animal's well being when they suffer a devestating injury like Barbaro did yesterday. The horse racing community is as close knit a sports community as I've seen, and when something like this happens, the entire collective group feels for the horse, the trainer, the jockey who had to do what he could to save the animal's life, the groom, the exercise rider, the owners and everyone else connected with the colt. It's real, and if NBC would have spent some camera time on the crowd yesterday, you would have seen that in the eyes of most people there (Zy can probably attest to that).

Quite simply, those that haven't been in the horse racing world, either from a fan's, bettor's, employee's or owner's perspective, just don't get it when this happens.

As far as comments about it being "just a horse", take your favorite sport...let's say it's the NBA...and have LeBron James suffer an injury that not only immediately ends his career, but also threatens his life, and you will agree that it rarely is treated as just another person. While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won, the fact is, we get numb to that because of the numbers. I suppose if stakes level thoroughbreds died by the dozens, Barbaro's plight might not be as big a story in the sports world as it is.

bullshit

most of the owners have horses as their toys. they don;t want to spend more than they have too, but want to get all dressed up to watch them run.

when the trainer notifies them its going to cost 3500 for a vet visit, they try to run them as cheap as possible to get rid of. horses are bigger money pits than boats. 3200 claimers eat like grade 1 champs.

for every 20 handicap winners you see, there are thousands who run to survive each week. paycheck keeps them fed nicely, they dont get a check and its light portions of food. thats the truth, not what you see on tv. there are many more claimers and struggling horses than bbarbaroqs in the game.

thats the fact. been following the game for 20 years. i've seen a well bred horse ran to death(was sore when they ran him) so they could get milllons in insurance. the horse was training like a rock, and they paid 5 mil as a 2 year old. so they ran him to his grave, they collected millions, based on what he would of brought in stud fees(out of storm cat). thats part of the game.

anyone for a bbarbaroq sanwich?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun May 21, 2006 10:51 pm

Adelpiero wrote: most of the owners have horses as their toys.

Really? And you know this how?

How many thoroughbreds do you own?

...there are many more claimers and struggling horses than bbarbaroqs in the game.

No shit, Sherlock. Thus the attention Barbaro and his situation has received.

This is/was no ordinary horse.

anyone for a bbarbaroq sanwich?

You classless bitch, the only sammich you have coming is one layered with your own shit.

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Sun May 21, 2006 11:34 pm

adel,

If you have been following the game for 20 years and that's how you feel about the situation, then your 20 years of experience is likely from a bitter, poor handicappers perspective. That's gotta be the only explnantion for your attitude.

There's no doubt that there are [D Wayne Lukas]trainers out there who aren't in the sport for the best interest of the horse[/D Wayne Lukas], much like there are sports agents who aren't out there in the best interest of the athletes they represent. You find all kinds of improper and malicious behavior in all walks of life. It's not an excuse to have a "fuck the horse" attitude. The types of owners and conenctions you have mentioned give the sport a black eye (not black guy), but should you really wish a horse dead because of that?

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:09 am

Roofer wrote:adel,

If you have been following the game for 20 years and that's how you feel about the situation, then your 20 years of experience is likely from a bitter, poor handicappers perspective. That's gotta be the only explnantion for your attitude.

There's no doubt that there are [D Wayne Lukas]trainers out there who aren't in the sport for the best interest of the horse[/D Wayne Lukas], much like there are sports agents who aren't out there in the best interest of the athletes they represent. You find all kinds of improper and malicious behavior in all walks of life. It's not an excuse to have a "fuck the horse" attitude. The types of owners and conenctions you have mentioned give the sport a black eye (not black guy), but should you really wish a horse dead because of that?

i live 25 minutes from a track

i know several owners and trainers. i've seen the good and bad
One of the biggest loser owners at local track is a friend of my parents, i actually have persuaded other trainers to claim some of his horses and have wrote to peta about him and dwayne.

for every louis d o'brien owner of the year at fairmount, every year. who when horses are hurt or done, retires them to his huge farm in rural missouri to live their days out. he also claims horses who should be retired and are forced to run because owner wants to watch his nag run. there are thousands of the oposite owners out there..

you mention d.wayne"killer"lukas. well, his owner, biggest in the game, overbrook farms has played the death game several times. i watched lukas send a horse out at delaware, limped back after finishing last, 2 days later ran a bullet(probably a vet rule, have to wrok before next race). the horse ran for a 1/4 then broke down to nothing. suprise suprise. and yes, another overbrook fams horse. overbrook is biggest breeder in the game, as far as their studs go, noone tops storm cat.

i don't wish the horse death. but if he dies, he dies(dolph lundgren voice)

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:27 am

Good news:

Rack all involved with saving this regal champion from an untimely demise. Most horses would have been put down on the spot.

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. - Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro underwent day-long surgery Sunday to repair three broken bones in his right rear leg and afterward "practically jogged back to the stall," the colt's surgeon said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060522/ap_ ... ro_surgery

RedHerring · Post by **RedHerring** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:03 am

DAMN IT !!!!

Signed,

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:54 pm

Here a look post op.
[web]http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/ ... 1&lsp=8000[/web]

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Mon May 22, 2006 1:30 pm

People should know that most owners aren't in the business in hopes their horse will win. Most are in it for the TAX WRITE OFF. Buying/training/running horses is extremely expensive and these expenses can help your bottom line. If an owner is lucky enough to have a winning horse, the real $$$ is in stud fees. Imagine collecting $100,000K or more everytime your horse hops up on a mare. Not bad.

Zyclone · Post by **Zyclone** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:49 pm

[web]http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=0 ... day%20Show[/web]

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:45 pm

mvscal wrote:
Roofer wrote:While I agree that it's more disturbing to hear of the dozens upon dozens of American lives that are lost each week in a war that can't be won,
We aren't losing "dozens upon dozens" of American lives in Iraq each week, idiot.

2,454 lives lost in 1,159 days, or roughly 15 lives each and every week. If it makes you feel better simpleton, allow me to re-phrase "dozens upon dozens" as simply dozens. There....you feel better? Miss the main point much?