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Toddowen wrote:I'd sell it to Bonds for a million.

However, I'd brand an asterisk and a hypodermic needle onto it first. :P

MuchoBulls wrote:
Don't forget the cream.

R-Jack wrote:With all that said, fuck Bonds. I'll take the million, hand him a fake and take my dog out to play fetch with the real one.

R-Jack wrote:I'm an A's fan but I have to look at this with a grain of sanity.

Some A's fans are idiots.

"I hate (Bonds)," he said. "It's a big asterisk on his record. With Babe Ruth everything was pure."

Cicero wrote:^^^

Have to disagree w/ you. He is right in that Babe Ruth was pure in that the substance he was taking didnt help him hit HR's.

Plus, it wasnt illeagl for Ruth to be drinking alcohol only producing and distributing.

U.S. Constitution: Eighteenth Amendment
Eighteenth Amendment - Prohibition of Intoxicating Liquors


Amendment Text | Annotations
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

mvscal wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote: But as I understand it, a big portion of the argument against Bonds is that steroids were illegal under federal and state law, if not under the rules of major league baseball.

Your understanding is dim at best.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Cicero wrote:^^^

Have to disagree w/ you. He is right in that Babe Ruth was pure in that the substance he was taking didnt help him hit HR's.

I already conceded that alcohol is not a performance enhancer.

Plus, it wasnt illeagl for Ruth to be drinking alcohol only producing and distributing.

Let's go to the source, shall we?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/cons ... endment18/

U.S. Constitution: Eighteenth Amendment
Eighteenth Amendment - Prohibition of Intoxicating Liquors


Amendment Text | Annotations
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Drinking alcohol may not have been illegal per se, but that's splitting hairs to the extreme. If Ruth was producing, distributing, or buying alcohol, he was breaking the law.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Cicero wrote:^^^

Have to disagree w/ you. He is right in that Babe Ruth was pure in that the substance he was taking didnt help him hit HR's.

I already conceded that alcohol is not a performance enhancer.

Plus, it wasnt illeagl for Ruth to be drinking alcohol only producing and distributing.

Let's go to the source, shall we?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/cons ... endment18/

U.S. Constitution: Eighteenth Amendment
Eighteenth Amendment - Prohibition of Intoxicating Liquors


Amendment Text | Annotations
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Drinking alcohol may not have been illegal per se, but that's splitting hairs to the extreme. If Ruth was producing, distributing, or buying alcohol, he was breaking the law.

I'm not an attorney, but what you posted seems to indicate that it was illegal to sell alcohol, but not necessarily to buy it. Does the legal term sale automatically incriminate the buyer as well?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote: I already conceded that alcohol is not a performance enhancer.
Let's go to the source, shall we?

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/cons ... endment18/
Drinking alcohol may not have been illegal per se, but that's splitting hairs to the extreme. If Ruth was producing, distributing, or buying alcohol, he was breaking the law.

I'm not an attorney, but what you posted seems to indicate that it was illegal to sell alcohol, but not necessarily to buy it. Does the legal term sale automatically incriminate the buyer as well?

Since the sale of alcohol was illegal, I would tend to think that it was illegal both to buy and to sell. But in fairness, since the 18th Amendment is really nothing more than an historical footnote, I've never read any case law on it.

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