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jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:13 pm

I am wondering how the admin and operator of this site
www.smirl.com, as well as other other admins of smiliar type sites are able to function, without fear of prosecution for openly providing 3rd party applications that alter the coding of games, specially one owned by the US DOD.

If you register on the site you'll see that this site also provides downloadable programs that enable you to use aimbots on BF2 and other games too.

Those who agree to term of service on AA agree to the Army's EULA which seems to prohibit users from messing with the codes among other things.. Nonetheless it is done and with great frequency. The developers of AA are well aware of this site and like BF2 they rely on punkbuster to catch those who are cheating.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:33 pm

Sounds like a mod community to me. Most games have them, and the developers usually support them. I doubt the DOD is worried, nor should they be.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:36 am

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Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:37 am

jiminphilly wrote:I am wondering how the admin and operator of this site
www.smirl.com, as well as other other admins of smiliar type sites are able to function, without fear of prosecution for openly providing 3rd party applications that alter the coding of games, specially one owned by the US DOD.

If you register on the site you'll see that this site also provides downloadable programs that enable you to use aimbots on BF2 and other games too.

Those who agree to term of service on AA agree to the Army's EULA which seems to prohibit users from messing with the codes among other things.. Nonetheless it is done and with great frequency. The developers of AA are well aware of this site and like BF2 they rely on punkbuster to catch those who are cheating.

This is actually a civil issue and not criminal.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:38 am

Donovan wrote:Sounds like a mod community to me. Most games have them, and the developers usually support them. I doubt the DOD is worried, nor should they be.

The developers don't support cheating, which that site is all about. Very different from mods.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:25 am

Yeah, you're right. I didn't read the part about aimbots.

I've never understood why losers like this need to cheat to enjoy online games. Thank God for Punkbuster so that the rest of us can play fair and have fun.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:59 am

Donovan wrote:Yeah, you're right. I didn't read the part about aimbots.

I've never understood why losers like this need to cheat to enjoy online games. Thank God for Punkbuster so that the rest of us can play fair and have fun.

There a lot of private 'hacks' still out there that PB has not caught. Apparently there is more cheating going on in BF2 than any other online game.

Fu you said it's more of a civil issue than criminal. Is this because the DOD does not want to spend the $$ chasing down punks like the owner of that site? I would tend to agree with their decision but I'm just wondering.

On aaotracker.com there is at least 1 thread a day about cheaters and script kiddies.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:01 am

jiminphilly wrote:
Fu you said it's more of a civil issue than criminal. Is this because the DOD does not want to spend the $$ chasing down punks like the owner of that site? I would tend to agree with their decision but I'm just wondering.

No, it's just not a crime to alter coded software like that via a 3rd party application. The EULA is a civil contract for all intents and purposes. The developers could sue the people behind those sites and applications if they saw fit.

Illegal reproduction/distribution is a crime as is copyright/patent infringement, theft of trade secrets and stuff like that. What they're doing is not criminal.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:17 am

Rack Fu wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
Fu you said it's more of a civil issue than criminal. Is this because the DOD does not want to spend the $$ chasing down punks like the owner of that site? I would tend to agree with their decision but I'm just wondering.
No, it's just not a crime to alter coded software like that via a 3rd party application. The EULA is a civil contract for all intents and purposes. The developers could sue the people behind those sites and applications if they saw fit.

Illegal reproduction/distribution is a crime as is copyright/patent infringement, theft of trade secrets and stuff like that. What they're doing is not criminal.

I didn't know that. Thanks.

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