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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060625/ap_ ... raq_saddam

I've seen other articles where he thinks he's going to re-instated as the Iraqi president. Wait a sec Saddam, I thought you believed that you still are the president?

Well, I guess that's some small progress for you dude...going from a completely delusional, psychopathic mass murderer, to something only slightly less so.

The sooner this shit-stain on humanity is swinging from the end of a rope, the better. Maybe once that happens, some real progress can be made.

If there was 1 person who could get the shit in iraq stopped(bombings, kidnapping,etc) it would be saddam.Of course without the butcher boys(his sons), he might not be able to rule with the same iron fist.

Ya' think we ought to just just release him, then?

Put him back in the Royal Palace?

He could use John Kerry as his new minister of information. He'd be just as funny as the last Iraqi to hold that job was.

Sadam, Sadam, just wait a little while,
I Think I see Humvees coming, Riding many mile.
Friends, you get some Coors light?
Did you get the Cuervo gold?
What did you bring me, my dear friends?
To Watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole.
What did you bring me to watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole?

Saddam will not be executed by legal autorities!!

He is a Batman villain character and will be sent to life in prison.

Years (or months) after the end of his trial, he will escape with the help of Osama.

Which will start the new Batman series... Batman in Baghdad!!

Saddam is similar to The Penguin.

Osama is a non hystrionic Riddler.

Who will play Batman?? Who will play Robin??

Condloeeza Rice will play Catwoman!!

KC Scott wrote:Sadam, Sadam, just wait a little while,
I Think I see Humvees coming, Riding many mile.
Friends, you get some Coors light?
Did you get the Cuervo gold?
What did you bring me, my dear friends?
To Watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole.
What did you bring me to watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole?

Rack any and all Led Zep resets, especially that one.

Jack wrote: Years (or months) after the end of his trial, he will escape with the help of Osama.

bwa...last I checked, he's under USMC guard. Charles Manson has a better chance of escaping whatever shithole they've got him isolated in than Saddam has of escaping from that grip.

Here's hoping that Osama tries it, though. The shooting gallery provided would be tremendous.

War Wagon wrote: bwa...last I checked, he's under USMC guard. Charles Manson has a better chance of escaping whatever shithole they've got him isolated in than Saddam has of escaping from that grip.

Shame on Yahoo (or any 'news' outlet) for reporting anything the piece of shit has to say.

Fuck Saddamhole and fuck Yahoo.


Birds of a feather.

KC Scott wrote:Sadam, Sadam, just wait a little while,
I Think I see Humvees coming, Riding many mile.
Friends, you get some Coors light?
Did you get the Cuervo gold?
What did you bring me, my dear friends?
To Watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole.
What did you bring me to watch Sadam on the Gallows Pole?

Beautiful.

Great song, "Gallows Pole", and is it just me or does anybody else here notice that really no rock bands have come up with anything even remotely like that since Zeppelin did it, what, thirty six years ago?

When you take into consideration all the musicial styles they managed so well to convey, yep, Zeppelin's still the baddest creative/song writing rock band that ever lived...

It's pretty powerful stuff, their musical legacy. When I pick up my guitar and sit down to play something I can imagine in my fevered mind some scenario whereby I could come up with Metallica's music or, if I were a Berklee addict, maybe even Dream Theatre's.

Heady stuff to be sure, but somewhat within the realm of imagination.

Zeppelin's stuff? Coming up with the music Jimmy Page and company wrote, from "The Immigrant Song" to "The Ocean" to "The Rover", "Kashmir", "Ten Years Gone", "Achilles' Last Stand" and, hell yes, "Stairway To Heaven"??

People don't write that stuff. They don't use basic Gibson and Fender guitars and old school Marshall amps and simple effects to execute (edit: Great catch, Smackie, you eagle eyed cuntflap!) and then record that stuff.

No way. Couldn't have happened. Stuff like that, you discover it on stone tablets on Mt Sinai.

I often can't even bring myself to play when I think of the musicianship gifts possessed by a young Jimmy Page...

Don't think so? Just go ahead and listen to an hour's worth of any radio station on earth right now. Listen to what's out there now, and compare it to the craftsmanship, layered texturing and incredible ambiance of so many of Page's recorded compositions.

Scary. Fuggen scary.

Great post, KC Scott.

It's too bad they didn't just fucking kill him when they caught him. They certainly tried to do so before.

This must stem from .....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/25/ ... index.html

.... Al-Maliki's plan, announced earlier in the day, would extend an olive branch to some Iraqi militants and grant the phased release of 2,500 detainees from Iraqi prisons. .....

Sure, as long as all those "convicted" for Abu Grahib are released and re-instated (if dicharged) with back pay, AND all other situations in which "in the fog of war" some young GI killed an Iraqi or Iraqis ... they too deserve amnesty.

"..justly convicted ..... "

I laughed.


Maybe this whole thing really has been a clusterfuck. Not militarily or anything, but once again, strategically and politically.

The bottom line is that some form of amnesty must happen or this shit will go on forever. Period. End of Story.

Really ? So let's bargain, buy ourselves some time so we can get our people out safely and then what ?

Once we're gone, how long to do you give this fledgling governmnet whose only position of power and bargaining chip ... is the United States military in one form or another.

And as soon as the terrorists/insurgency cooperates, the Iraqi government can stand on it's own, allowing the U.S. and coalition forces to leave .....


Then what ? Will there be a retalitory coup in which anyone that cooperated with Americans are summarily executed ?

mvscal wrote:What part of "stand on its own" are you struggling with?

The fact that "stand on its own" is not quantitative nor qualitative enough.

Sounds nice. But what the fuck does it mean ? The Iraqi Government will have to do what and for how long ? How about that one Mr. Answerman.

Right or wrong, I usually like your answers mv-swami-cal.

Still doesn't change my sentiment that letting guys that have killed/are killing/will kill U.S. or coalition "boots on the ground" off the hook merits a return in kind for the transgressions of our and our allied kids' getting a little out of hand.

Ergo the quotes and it just seemed the phrase to use as "infantrymen" is not always the case. Many support and logistics personnel have been killed en-route.

I meant Iraq.

mvscal wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

mvscal wrote:What part of "stand on its own" are you struggling with?

The fact that "stand on its own" is not quantitative nor qualitative enough.

Sounds nice. But what the fuck does it mean ? The Iraqi Government will have to do what and for how long ? How about that one Mr. Answerman.

It is fairly self-evident. When the government is capable of defending itself against foreign and domestic enemies, we will be free to leave.

This isn't about establishing a "decent interval" so we can skeddadle and watch everything fall apart as soon as we leave.

The question then becomes one of which foreign and domestic enemies?

See, are we only talking East Timor here, or some psychotic religious fanatic insurgents, or are we also talking China? Kuwait, or Russia?

I'm thinking there will always be potential enemies against whom any new Iraqi government will never be able to defend themselves, not without...you guessed it...our help.

I think the goal must be a little smaller and a little less burdensome. I'd say that our mission there is finished when the new government can at least maintain some semblance of order within its own borders while also being able to establish at least a facade of deterrence to any thoughts of aggression by Iran.

Oh, stop being a bunch of limp dick FOX News parrots.

Sure, Saddam as dictator was indulgent, tyrannical, and harsh. But let's look at some of the good things he was doing:

--Keeping the Islamic fundamentalists at heel. Saddam's Iraq was the MOST secular Arab nation by far, with the MOST rights for women and the highest literacy level by far.

--Keeping the Kurd situation on hold. That is, unlike the thoroughly untenable situation now presented by Chenron's catastrophic invasion of Iraq, Saddam had maintained a steady if somewhat harsh balance--a holding pattern--which is infinitely more than that which presently looms (think Turkey).

--Maintained a vigorous and visible defiance and rejection of Israel and its vile Zionist policies and actions.

The Crimes of Saddam are basically repressing a seccession of the Kurds in the north and the Shiites in the south. Okay, but didn't Abraham Lincoln send in devestating armies to render Old Testament-like vengence on similarly seccessionist Confederates?

Why is he a hero and Saddam somehow a villian?

Do you suppose Saddams body count was higher than Lincoln's?

The real criminals in this case--the one's who properly deserve to swing from the gallows, are the Project For The New American Century cabal who have initiated and continue to foment this present heinous war crime (by any standard). And that starts with Cheney and Rummy.

How about THAT look of surprise? (course Cheney would take his usual chickenhawk route and suck poison in his cell rather than face justice.)

LTS B TWTS wrote:Oh, stop being a bunch of limp dick FOX News parrots.

Sure, Saddam as dictator was indulgent, tyrannical, and harsh. But let's look at some of the good things he was doing:

--Developing novel uses for wood chippers.

--Conducting field tests of anti-personnel gases.

--Letting his kids keep the ornery bastards on the national Olympic team in line.

FTFY.

Lots of differences, but look at the basic similarities--of actually ATTACKING people and killing them by the thousands--and then piling on (Sherman) when the "enemy" (as in Iraq, these were fellow countrymen who had chosen to secede) were clearly defeated. And, yes, Lincoln's body count was much higher. So, why is Lincoln's cruelty and resulting body count so different than Saddam's?
Or what, can't you think outside the Rovian/Fox News paradigm of your monovision headspace?

mvscal wrote:Yeah, Saddam was just like Abe Lincoln.

I'm pretty sure that's why he grew a beard after he was captured. He figgered his chances of acquittal increased if not only his actions, but also his appearance, matched that of Honest Abe.

the one area where Saddam needs to be more like abe is in the assassination section.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Oh, stop being a bunch of limp dick FOX News parrots.

Sure, Saddam as dictator was indulgent, tyrannical, and harsh. But let's look at some of the good things he was doing:

--Keeping the Islamic fundamentalists at heel. Saddam's Iraq was the MOST secular Arab nation by far, with the MOST rights for women and the highest literacy level by far.

--Keeping the Kurd situation on hold. That is, unlike the thoroughly untenable situation now presented by Chenron's catastrophic invasion of Iraq, Saddam had maintained a steady if somewhat harsh balance--a holding pattern--which is infinitely more than that which presently looms (think Turkey).

--Maintained a vigorous and visible defiance and rejection of Israel and its vile Zionist policies and actions.

The Crimes of Saddam are basically repressing a seccession of the Kurds in the north and the Shiites in the south. Okay, but didn't Abraham Lincoln send in devestating armies to render Old Testament-like vengence on similarly seccessionist Confederates?

Why is he a hero and Saddam somehow a villian?

Do you suppose Saddams body count was higher than Lincoln's?

The real criminals in this case--the one's who properly deserve to swing from the gallows, are the Project For The New American Century cabal who have initiated and continue to foment this present heinous war crime (by any standard). And that starts with Cheney and Rummy.

How about THAT look of surprise? (course Cheney would take his usual chickenhawk route and suck poison in his cell rather than face justice.)

RACK

mvscal wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote:And, yes, Lincoln's body count was much higher. So, why is Lincoln's cruelty and resulting body count so different than Saddam's?

Their reasons for waging war in the first place would be a good place to start. Not that you will ever get it.

WHO's reason for starting war? The Kurds, like the Confederates, wanted out of what they felt was an unfair and artificial binding of their land and people of the north. So what if there are other differences--language, ethnic, religious--all of these existed to some degree between the north and south in America.

Why isn't Sherman's punitive March regarded as Saddam's harsh retribution against the Shiites and Kurds in his land?

You don't really have any answers at all, do you? Just a reflexive ooze of Rovian slime.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Why isn't Sherman's punitive March regarded as Saddam's harsh retribution against the Shiites and Kurds in his land?

Because mvscal said so. What? Not good enough? Tough shit.

Now STFU and go listen to some Led Zeppelin. Quit worrying your dithersome wittle head about things you'll never understand.

Rack Van, btw.

Van wrote:
Great song, "Gallows Pole", and is it just me or does anybody else here notice that really no rock bands have come up with anything even remotely like that since Zeppelin did it, what, thirty six years ago?

When you take into consideration all the musicial styles they managed so well to convey, yep, Zeppelin's still the baddest creative/song writing rock band that ever lived...

It's pretty powerful stuff, their musical legacy. When I pick up my guitar and sit down to play something I can imagine in my fevered mind some scenario whereby I could come up with Metallica's music or, if I were a Berklee addict, maybe even Dream Theatre's.

Heady stuff to be sure, but somewhat within the realm of imagination.

Zeppelin's stuff? Coming up with the music Jimmy Page and company wrote, from "The Immigrant Song" to "The Ocean" to "The Rover", "Kashmir", "Ten Years Gone", "Achilles' Last Stand" and, hell yes, "Stairway To Heaven"??

People don't write that stuff. They don't use basic Gibson and Fender guitars and old school Marshall amps and simple effects to execute (edit: Great catch, Smackie, you eagle eyed cuntflap!) and then record that stuff.

No way. Couldn't have happened. Stuff like that, you discover it on stone tablets on Mt Sinai.

I often can't even bring myself to play when I think of the musicianship gifts possessed by a young Jimmy Page...

Don't think so? Just go ahead and listen to an hour's worth of any radio station on earth right now. Listen to what's out there now, and compare it to the craftsmanship, layered texturing and incredible ambiance of so many of Page's recorded compositions.

Scary. Fuggen scary.

One Rack is not enough for the sheer artistry and ability of recognising that Van imbues in that masterpiece of a post.

Van, you may not be able to find or create that stuff on stone tablets all by your lonesome, but at least you know it when the Holy fucking Grail is shown unto your face.

s'what I've been sayin' for 30 plus years. I have no idear how those Liverpool punks found it, but find it they did. I'm still in awe of that, and I haven't smoked pot or dropped LSD in at least 20 years.

War Wagon wrote:

Jack wrote: Years (or months) after the end of his trial, he will escape with the help of Osama.

Here's hoping that Osama tries it, though. The shooting gallery provided would be tremendous.

Sorry to break the news to ya, but the war in Iraq isn't like what you see in the movies. While there's no way in hell that Osama (or anyone else) could ever free Saddam, that doesn't mean that they couldn't send some Americans home in flag-drapped caskets.

Hopefully they won't try, and we get to see Saddam swing soon.

Doggone you Diego for trying to get this thread back on topic.

I don't watch movies, but I damn sure Boogie with Stu...