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The large garage chains are shit. They hire kids right outta school or older worthless fukks that can't get real wrench yobs because they suck. A good mecanic makes damn good money. These places pay more like 10 bucks an hr.

I took my old F-150 to one of those joints once. It failed emissions and they had there 39.95 carb tune guaranteed to pass emissions sign hanging outside. I dropped it off. An hour later they call me at home.

them: You need a new carb

me: really? why?

them: can't adjust the fuel mixture. It's rusted.

me: Be right there. Don't do another thing.

I picked up my truck, drove it home and looked for myself. There were the jet screws plain as day. I turned each one in till it started to run skip and backed it out a 1/4. For the next 2 years it passed emissions with no problems. Just lean it out in the parking lot of the emissions place. Running it like that for long would probably melt a piston before long.

I will never, ever bring a vehicle to a large Mcgarage chain again.

EVERY time I take my truck to Tire Kingdom to get my oil changed, tires rotated, balanced and an alignment, I drive off and my truck shakes violently. I have to keep taking it back for them to balance it correctly. It's highly annoying.

Wish they'd do it right. The locations are so convenient and I bought my tires from them, so you'd think they'd take care of me better.

LOSERS!

They're a bunch of thieves!

Sin,
Sears

I've always changed my own oil and oil filter. Took mine in to Jiffy Lube when I was in a rush one day back in college. Paid the $30 and the next time I changed my oil, noticed my old oil filter was still on. They didn't change the filter. I know this because I always label my filter witht he mileage and date with a sharpie when I change it.

Fucking crooks...all of them.

My dealer gave me free tires for life with the caveat that all scheduled maintenence had to be done at the dealership. They charge 9.99 for an oil and filter change. Don't think I'll be going to the Jiffy Lube anytime soon.

Went I bought my TrailBlazer back in August, I got 10 free oil changes from the Dealership. I 'd rather them do it as opposed to some HS dropout.

I took my car to Grease Monkey when I was young and poor.

The suggetive sell I got was for brake fluid. I chose not to argue, since it was only $5 and I don't know shit about cars.

I left the shop and got on the highway, and after drving about 8 miles, I hit the brake to make a lane change, and the sucker went right down to the floor without slowing the car at all. After a few more attempts, the brakes finally worked. Fortunately, traffic was light, so I didn't kill anyone.

Again, I don't know shit about cars, but this seemed like too big a coincidence. Never again have I gone to a cheap shit chain.

I can't belive none of the crumpled paper bags rolled this out:


Change your own fukken oil

its easy

LOL...glad I do my own repairs and oil changes...all these cities, Encino, Canoga Park, Glendale are all right here in the San Fernando Valley within in a few miles of my car!

Warning: Major fucking rant to follow:

I used to always just change the oil and filter myself, until I started getting lazy in my old age. Tired of crawling under the car, worrying about disposing of the used oil, etc.

So I started paying the $19.99 to have it done at this Valvoline instant oil change place. In and out in 10 minutes, no worries, no fuss, no mess, right? Other than having to tell monkey wrench dude every gottdamn time, no I don't want you to replace my air filter/windshield wipers/PCV valve or add fuel injector cleaner at about double the price that I can easily do that same shit. Just change the damn oil and filter, and fill any fluids that are low, ok? Btw, check the air in the tires while your at it.

So anyways, I last had my oil changed on April 28th. The sticker says so.
About three weeks later, I notice the trans-mish-ion isn't shifting smoothly thru the gears, and I'm all like WTF? ...don't tell me the damn thing is about to go craps and cost a fortune to get fixed.

I mean, it can't be low on fluid, right? It was just serviced and supposedly at the very fucking least checked the tranny fluid like they say they do, and added if it was low?

So I pull the dipstick out and guess what? It's fucking DRY! No, It ain't just a bit low. It took 2-1/2 quarts to fill that sucker up to where it needed to be. Turns out it's leaking a bit around the pan gasket. Has to have been for a long time. Don't fucking tell me that it leaked out that much fluid in 3 weeks. The fuckers didn't check it, or if they did, didn't know what they were looking at, or didn't care.

So I take it back up there and raise HOLY HELL over their incompetence and negligence and then ask them to at least look at it to see if they can find any leaks. Yep, it's fucking leaking alright...the oil drain plug just happens to be about 2 inches from the pan reservoir, but they didn't fucking see it or let me know.

So I ask them to just tighten the bolts around the pan to try to slow the leak until I have a chance to fix it myself.

Monkey: "We're not allowed to tighten the bolts."
Me: What?
Monkey: "Thems the rules. Something about torque."
Me: But you offer to change the fluid for $89.95?
Monkey: "We have a machine that just sucks the old fluid out."
Me: You don't even change the filter and gasket for that price?
Monkey: "Nope."
Me: Monkey, that bay exit door had better be open in about 2 seconds, or I'm driving right thru that motherfucker...and I won't be coming back to have my cooling system flushed, either.

You get what you pay for. At $20 per service a shop must change a whole lot of oil to make any money. Filters cost the shop a couple of dollars and the oil is about $1.35/qt in bulk. This gives the shop approximately $12 non-labor profit. If a service takes 15 minutes that means the shop is making $48 per hour gross profit. This is not nearly enough to keep good people employed. A good technician makes $22-30 per hour. If you want a competent technician with a variety of tools (including a torque wrench) and a wealth of expertise, go to a regular repair shop. Drop your car off for half the day and leave with peace of mind. General repair shops generally service cars for $30 or so including greasing every zerk and inspecting everything that matters. At our shop we perform a 60-point inspection with every oil change, repair, or diagnosis. The owner pays the technician 3 tenths of an hour out of his own pocket on each inspection. The inspection gives the vehicle owner peace of mind and covers the shop owner's butt. If a driver leaves the shop and something happens like a transmission burns down, the shop had better be able to produce documentation that they inspected and documented the vehicle's condition. If the shop doesn't they might as well change their name to "The Defendant".

I hate irresponsible lube jockeys. They're so focused on the next $5 they can get out of you in the next five minutes they lose the big picture -taking care of the customer. Example: A guy pulls into my shop with a car that will barely run. He just left Jiffy Lube 200 yards away and he's thinking Jiffy Lube must have jacked with his car. Jiffy Lube manager comes over smoking a Marlboro and meets us in the parking lot. I get the full story from him.
We just serviced it and filled the coolant.
How low was the coolant?
Two gallons
Did you find the leak?
We never saw it dripping.
This is a closed cooling system. No coolant should ever leave the vehicle. If it's low it's going somewhere. Did you pressure test it?
Uhh.. we don't have those tools
I see. What you've done is aggrivated an intake manifold leak and filled the cylinders with coolant. This typically ruins oxygen sensors among other things. Right now the car won't start because it's hyrolocked. A hydrolocked motor tends to bend pushrods.
Ahh... Well, Mr. Former Customer it looks like you're in good hands. Bye.

Car cost about $800 to repair. If the customer had his car serviced regularly by a competent repair center this problem would have been identified early on when it would have cost him half that.

That settles it...

If I can't (or won't cause I'm too damn lazy) do the maintenance myself, I'm taking my vehicle to Rootbeer.

I've still half a notion to go back to that store and break some windows, though.

patsy stone wrote:EVERY time I take my truck to Tire Kingdom to get my oil changed, tires rotated, balanced and an alignment, I drive off and my truck shakes violently. I have to keep taking it back for them to balance it correctly. It's highly annoying.

Wish they'd do it right. The locations are so convenient and I bought my tires from them, so you'd think they'd take care of me better.

LOSERS!

This happens like..."EVERY time"?

Patsy, if you don't mind...Let me ask you....

If you were seeing some dude and he became unglued & got a raging
hard-on whenever "It's Raining Men" came across on your radio, would you continue to see him?

C'mon.

Pick a new mechanic.

smackaholic wrote: A good mecanic makes damn good money. These places pay more like 10 bucks an hr.

Good mechanics, make damn good money, because they are damn good mechanics, and have better things to do than change oil.

Grease monkeys that change your oil, as a few have already pointed out, perform a job that anyone can, but that most are to lazy to do.

Take the car to the dealer. Its more money but they do the job correctly the first time. I've taken my car to my dealer (Toyota) several times and have gotten it back in a timely manner and they've always done top notch work.

Jiffy Lube = high school auto shop kids who flunked

War Wagon wrote:That settles it...

If I can't (or won't cause I'm too damn lazy) do the maintenance myself, I'm taking my vehicle to Rootbeer.

I've still half a notion to go back to that store and break some windows, though.

me too. rack rootbeer.

The Assassin wrote:Take the car to the dealer. Its more money but they do the job correctly the first time.

The dealer is better than the Jiffy Express but I suggest you seriously consider an independent shop. Dealerships have their problems.
For example they have a high turnover rate. Technicians get real tired of being screwed over on warranty jobs. Once a tech has been trained by the dealership and can make it independently, many leave for greener pastures. Warranty work screws a dealership tech two directions. They get a lower rate per hour and the billable time is generally 40-50% less than normal book time. If an engine exchange pays 18 hours for a paying customer it will only pay 10 for a dealer warranty. To you the consumer this means that the guy doing your warranty work is cutting every corner he can find to try and make a living while the dealership is screwing him twice. What's more there's a lot of paperwork that must be done in order for manufacturers to pay warranty time. If the service manager doesn't have time to get it done you don't get paid for a few more weeks. Explain that one to your wife. If you're getting a lube job done it might be handled by a guy who's pretty disgruntled by the last few jobs he's had and he might not give a crap about your car. He might be trying to make up for the raping he received by taking shortcuts with your LOF.

Not that independent shops don't have disgruntled employees but brother let me tell you in the dealerships everyone is pissed off at least once a day. That's just the biz you're in when you work for the dealer.

Rootbeer wrote:

The Assassin wrote:Take the car to the dealer. Its more money but they do the job correctly the first time.

The dealer is better than the Jiffy Express but I suggest you seriously consider an independent shop. Dealerships have their problems.
For example they have a high turnover rate. Technicians get real tired of being screwed over on warranty jobs. Once a tech has been trained by the dealership and can make it independently, many leave for greener pastures. Warranty work screws a dealership tech two directions. They get a lower rate per hour and the billable time is generally 40-50% less than normal book time. If an engine exchange pays 18 hours for a paying customer it will only pay 10 for a dealer warranty. To you the consumer this means that the guy doing your warranty work is cutting every corner he can find to try and make a living while the dealership is screwing him twice. What's more there's a lot of paperwork that must be done in order for manufacturers to pay warranty time. If the service manager doesn't have time to get it done you don't get paid for a few more weeks. Explain that one to your wife. If you're getting a lube job done it might be handled by a guy who's pretty disgruntled by the last few jobs he's had and he might not give a crap about your car. He might be trying to make up for the raping he received by taking shortcuts with your LOF.

Not that independent shops don't have disgruntled employees but brother let me tell you in the dealerships everyone is pissed off at least once a day. That's just the biz you're in when you work for the dealer.

So you're saying that its better to take your car to an independent garage than the dealership for most any reason, including major warranty work?


Good christ you're a dumbfuck.


You're just fucking stupid enough to post again, so i'll be semi-kind and let you know that I have friends and family who are techs for various dealerships.......and that you're a complete. fucking. idiot.

Raydah James wrote:

Rootbeer wrote:

The Assassin wrote:Take the car to the dealer. Its more money but they do the job correctly the first time.

The dealer is better than the Jiffy Express but I suggest you seriously consider an independent shop. Dealerships have their problems.
For example they have a high turnover rate. Technicians get real tired of being screwed over on warranty jobs. Once a tech has been trained by the dealership and can make it independently, many leave for greener pastures. Warranty work screws a dealership tech two directions. They get a lower rate per hour and the billable time is generally 40-50% less than normal book time. If an engine exchange pays 18 hours for a paying customer it will only pay 10 for a dealer warranty. To you the consumer this means that the guy doing your warranty work is cutting every corner he can find to try and make a living while the dealership is screwing him twice. What's more there's a lot of paperwork that must be done in order for manufacturers to pay warranty time. If the service manager doesn't have time to get it done you don't get paid for a few more weeks. Explain that one to your wife. If you're getting a lube job done it might be handled by a guy who's pretty disgruntled by the last few jobs he's had and he might not give a crap about your car. He might be trying to make up for the raping he received by taking shortcuts with your LOF.

Not that independent shops don't have disgruntled employees but brother let me tell you in the dealerships everyone is pissed off at least once a day. That's just the biz you're in when you work for the dealer.

So you're saying that its better to take your car to an independent garage than the dealership for most any reason, including major warranty work?


Good christ you're a dumbfuck.


You're just fucking stupid enough to post again, so i'll be semi-kind and let you know that I have friends and family who are techs for various dealerships.......and that you're a complete. fucking. idiot.

somewhere between RB and faiduh's take is the truf. What he says about dealers makes some sense. They do have all the factory training which helps, but, they are still working for some fukker that probably isn't wrenching in the bay next to him. With independent shops, you may have the same troubles, but, if it's a good one, thats been in town for a while and he stays plenty busy, he might be good. Do your homework. Check with the BBB, better bidness bureau. Ask around. Talk to neighbors. Look the shop over. Look the mechanics over. If the place looks like shit, his workers look like shit, he might be shit.

smackaholic wrote:

Raydah James wrote:

Rootbeer wrote: The dealer is better than the Jiffy Express but I suggest you seriously consider an independent shop. Dealerships have their problems.
For example they have a high turnover rate. Technicians get real tired of being screwed over on warranty jobs. Once a tech has been trained by the dealership and can make it independently, many leave for greener pastures. Warranty work screws a dealership tech two directions. They get a lower rate per hour and the billable time is generally 40-50% less than normal book time. If an engine exchange pays 18 hours for a paying customer it will only pay 10 for a dealer warranty. To you the consumer this means that the guy doing your warranty work is cutting every corner he can find to try and make a living while the dealership is screwing him twice. What's more there's a lot of paperwork that must be done in order for manufacturers to pay warranty time. If the service manager doesn't have time to get it done you don't get paid for a few more weeks. Explain that one to your wife. If you're getting a lube job done it might be handled by a guy who's pretty disgruntled by the last few jobs he's had and he might not give a crap about your car. He might be trying to make up for the raping he received by taking shortcuts with your LOF.

Not that independent shops don't have disgruntled employees but brother let me tell you in the dealerships everyone is pissed off at least once a day. That's just the biz you're in when you work for the dealer.

So you're saying that its better to take your car to an independent garage than the dealership for most any reason, including major warranty work?


Good christ you're a dumbfuck.


You're just fucking stupid enough to post again, so i'll be semi-kind and let you know that I have friends and family who are techs for various dealerships.......and that you're a complete. fucking. idiot.

somewhere between RB and faiduh's take is the truf. What he says about dealers makes some sense. They do have all the factory training which helps, but, they are still working for some fukker that probably isn't wrenching in the bay next to him.

Which fucking helps?


Replace that with means everything and you're off to a good start.



The rigorous training that my brother went through (2 year accelerated jaguar and ford/lincoln/mercury course) was absolutely fucking brutal.


Do you really think some backyard independent hack knows the differences between the engine of say, a 1999 XK8 and a 2000 S-type, Which are very dramatic?

Didnt fucking think so-and thats just engines in one particular carmaker-throw 3 more and the vast number of models offered in each of them and you're damn sure going to want the most experienced motherfucker who's DONE that shit and is second nature to them instead of the "independent" who refers to a fucking chiltons in his garage for your car type.

they are still working for some fukker that probably isn't wrenching in the bay next to him

You really want your boss working next to you? Do you even think about half the shit you hit submit to, tard?


I've heard complaints over the years, and one of them has never been "Well if my boss was only wrenching shit down with all of us, it'd be nails"

Dipshit.

With independent shops, you may have the same troubles, but, if it's a good one, thats been in town for a while and he stays plenty busy, he might be good. .

Might? MIGHT?

Good enough for me-throw dudes number my way when you get a chance.




Fucking tard.



In the end, Everyone's "independent" argument is laid to waste with this simple truth: All dealerships insure the parts AND work done on your vehicle. Period. Somebody fucks up something they worked on, you're taken care of-end of story

Try getting Pablo and his pack of chiltons cronies to do that for you.

Rootbeer wrote:A hydrolocked motor tends to bend pushrods.

Pushrods...conrods...whatever it takes.

I knew what you meant, though.

So, all dealer techs are top notch, eh, faiduh?

Certainly they are above the jiffy lubeyouintheass dude, but to say that they are all that, is a stretch. Many of the independent dudes have the factory training, and they don't use chiltons, you stupid son of a bitch. They have access to factory manuels, beliebe it or not. The main reason I like them is they are doing the work for themselves. If the guy at ford fukks it up, they might not even go back to the same dealer. If you get the work done at a reputable local guy who has to stand behind HIS work, he knows that he had best have his shit together or he won't be around for long.

And a halfass repair yob just might make it beyond the wonderful dealer "warantee". What the fukk do you do then? Iake my chances with a local guy who knows that I will motherfukk him to everybody I know if I don't get satisfaction.

smackaholic wrote: Many of the independent dudes have the factory training,

Link or STFU, tard.


Dealership techs go through intense schooling and training before they are unleashed on customer's cars. (Unless that are interning under another tech-which is rare)

That much is known and evident.



I've seen NO evidence that "independent" hacks have to do the same, or were "former" techs (which is utter bullshit). Even so, they dont have the coin that dealerships do to have the latest technology available for the techs use on your vehicle.



If you are stupid enough to go to an independent, you get what you fucking deserve.




The rest of your post is fucking worthless heresay and drivel-and reveals just how fucking dumb I already knew you were.


Fucking pathetic tard.

Do you even read posts before replying with your usual dinsdalian I fukkin' know everything and you're a fukkin' dolt response?

Notice I made a qualified statement. I said there are shade tree chilton reading idiots out there. there are also some very competent independent wrenches around. Many are former dealer mechs who might just want to own their own bidness. Or maybe they are tired of the BS that inevitably comes along with dealing with the evil empire, particularly if that empire's books are profusely bleeding red ink, as ford's just happen to be doing right now.

But, I forgot, you're faiduh james, internet badass and almost as allknowing as dins. And, I'm sure your ford wrenching bro is a bad ass too. Prolly scores huge amounts of ass too.

BTW, did you see the GT500-vette comparo in the latest C&D? Remember how you said the stang would whup up on the Z-06. They didn't even bring out the 06. They used a regular c-6 since there prices are about even. The vette still came out on top.

Just filed a negligent repair action against a local Jiffy Lube franchisee. A corporate client's employee had a company car serviced, the wrong radiator coolant was added to the cooling system, which then gelled, the system overheated, both cylinder heads needed replacement, $5,000 later.

The franchisee ignored my demand letters, so I'll back up my letterhead and show their defense team my skills.......