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Trevor Hoffman racked up his 23rd save of the year tonight, lowering his ERA to 1.06 in the process. To be honest I thought at the beginning of the year that he might be heading for a steep downhill slide, but he seems to be on his way to having one of his best seasons yet.

He now has 459 career saves and needs 19 to tie Lee Smith.

Mikey wrote:Trevor Hoffman racked up his 23rd save of the year tonight, lowering his ERA to 1.06 in the process. To be honest I thought at the beginning of the year that he might be heading for a steep downhill slide, but he seems to be on his way to having one of his best seasons yet.

He now has 459 career saves and needs 19 to tie Lee Smith.

He aint no Goose Gossage

You're right. He's got about 150 more saves than the Goose did.

On the other hand, nobody but the Goose is Goose Gossage. He was a major part of the best year evah in these parts.

I'm gonna have to eternally RACK the Goose.

I sure hope he breaks it this year.

You better not jinx him, Mikey.
Or I'll kick your ass.

Doesn't matter.





at 397 and is 2 yrs younger than Hoffman

JCT wrote:Doesn't matter.

at 397 and is 2 yrs younger than Hoffman

60+ saves behind, and Trev has already picked up 5 on him this year.
Don't count your chickens Spankme fan.

60 + more saves but he came up in '93 and Mo came up in 95 as a starter and spent 96 as a long relief/ setup to Wetland. He didn't become closer until 97. Mo will have more than him this season. Too bad they can't throw in Mo's 40 postseason saves.

Myself, I think he'll lay up a little short this season.

socal wrote:Myself, I think he'll lay up a little short this season.

Wishful thinking, Dodgerfan.

How many is Gagne behind...only 400 or so?

:wink:

My bad Mo has 398 as of tonight SV.

JCT wrote:60 + more saves but he came up in '93 and Mo came up in 95 as a starter and spent 96 as a long relief/ setup to Wetland. He didn't become closer until 97. Mo will have more than him this season. Too bad they can't throw in Mo's 40 postseason saves.

And Hoffman missed a complete season in 2003 and only had 25 total in 1993/94. It'll be a question of longevity and Trev already has 2 seasons and 60+ saves advantage. You really think that Rivera will pick up 5 more than Trev after the all star break? I guess we'll see...

Rack Mikey.

trev wrote:Rack Mikey.

I love you.

Mikey wrote:On the other hand, nobody but the Goose is Goose Gossage. He was a major part of the best year evah in these parts.

I'm gonna have to eternally RACK the Goose.

I can't believe that was 22 fucking years ago. The hat still looks new.

God and GOD I'm gettin' old.

Mikey wrote:

JCT wrote:60 + more saves but he came up in '93 and Mo came up in 95 as a starter and spent 96 as a long relief/ setup to Wetland. He didn't become closer until 97. Mo will have more than him this season. Too bad they can't throw in Mo's 40 postseason saves.

And Hoffman missed a complete season in 2003 and only had 25 total in 1993/94. It'll be a question of longevity and Trev already has 2 seasons and 60+ saves advantage. You really think that Rivera will pick up 5 more than Trev after the all star break? I guess we'll see...

Exactly, longevity. 2 years younger at the avg of 45 saves per yr that he does, is 90 more, plus tack on 20 or so more for this year. So that would be about 500+ saves at the age that Hoff is right now.

But this is all hypothetical as John Franco will never retire or never die.

Oh one other thing.

You really think that Rivera will pick up 5 more than Trev after the all star break? I guess we'll see...

Yes because this is Mo's option year and if he pitches in 60 games this year he's guarenteed for next year. :D

JCT wrote:

Mikey wrote:

JCT wrote:60 + more saves but he came up in '93 and Mo came up in 95 as a starter and spent 96 as a long relief/ setup to Wetland. He didn't become closer until 97. Mo will have more than him this season. Too bad they can't throw in Mo's 40 postseason saves.

And Hoffman missed a complete season in 2003 and only had 25 total in 1993/94. It'll be a question of longevity and Trev already has 2 seasons and 60+ saves advantage. You really think that Rivera will pick up 5 more than Trev after the all star break? I guess we'll see...

Exactly, longevity. 2 years younger at the avg of 45 saves per yr that he does, is 90 more, plus tack on 20 or so more for this year. So that would be about 500+ saves at the age that Hoff is right now.

First of all, he's averaged about 41.5, not 45, over the last nine years (his most productive). You're assuming that he will average 45 saves per year, almost 4 over his most optimistic average, even though he's now 37 years old, and that Hoffman will for some reason quit, even though he's still among the league leaders.

A bit of a stretch if you ask me. They are both approaching the end of their careers. Who knows what might happen in the next few years. The undeniable fact is that Trev has those 60 saves under his belt that you are assuming Rivera will make up by the end of next year. A pretty big assumption if you ask me.

JCT wrote:But this is all hypothetical as John Franco will never retire or never die.

I thought he had AIDS or something.

JCT wrote:

Or:

If I was a homosexual I would definitely say...

trev wrote:

Is that when he gave up the bomb to Scott Brosius?

have to rack hoffman.

he goes out and does his job, no bullshit, no crying, no ranting, just gets the job done.

for a closer to lose velocity and continue to diminate in the closer role, says a lot about hoffman and his dedication to his job and to the game of baseball.

he could of went anywhere, got a shit load of cash, but he stayed true to the padres and the fans of san diego.



shame there are so very few guys like him in bseball anymore, i'd say a handfull at best these days who actually respect the game.

Yes, Trevor deserves all the accolades for what he does. Sure Yankee fan and his players get things done at about triple the salary. No need to come in here pounding your chest about your "player." Start a new thread about him if he's that great. :wink:



Again, rack Mikey.

Hoffman-best closer and best changeup ever
Rivera-best postseason closer ever (Luis Gonzalez notwithstanding)

One game, one closer I'd take Hoffman every time.

so, rack adel

Mikey wrote:

socal wrote:Myself, I think he'll lay up a little short this season.

Wishful thinking, Dodgerfan.

How many is Gagne behind...only 400 or so?

:wink:

May as well be. I think Gagne has only 150 or so career saves. There was no way in hell he was going to sustain that pace.

Props to Trevor for his longevity. Still though, Mikey, I think he'll end up a couple short this season. Diminished returns and all that. There's always next year.

socal wrote:

Mikey wrote:

socal wrote:Myself, I think he'll lay up a little short this season.

Wishful thinking, Dodgerfan.

How many is Gagne behind...only 400 or so?

:wink:

May as well be. I think Gagne has only 150 or so career saves. There was no way in hell he was going to sustain that pace.

Props to Trevor for his longevity. Still though, Mikey, I think he'll end up a couple short this season. Diminished returns and all that. There's always next year.

True, it is a long season. Hoffman has picked up 3 saves in the last 3 games. He may not be able to keep up the pace all summer.

As much as I love seeing the Dodgers lose, it really doesn't give me any pleasure to see Gagne go down like he has. He had such an amazing run it must be really painful for you guys to lose him like this.

Hoffman will pass Lee Smith by at least 4, and next year he will pass the 500 mark solidifying his place in the HoF.

trev wrote:

JCT wrote:

Or:

Well gee....let me think on that one...



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Cicero wrote:Hoffman will pass Lee Smith by at least 4, and next year he will pass the 500 mark solidifying his place in the HoF.

You're crazy if you think his place in the HOF isn't already solidified.

Even though dins is just being a Homer, I'll just give props to M for getting the job done last night. Trevor did not, but it's not simple, nor does it matter much.

trev wrote:Trevor did not, but it's not simple, nor does it matter much.

Curious point ... care to elaborate?

How is it not simple?

I didn't see the game, just read about it. I don't put the NL loss entire on Trevor. It really doesn't matter though. This all star game is rather silly to me.

I don't put the NL loss entire on Trevor

Ahh yeah, someone else was throwing hanging changeups.

When you have two outs with nobody on, and then come a home run away from giving up a two-out cycle rally, the loss most definitely falls on your shoulders.

Ask Brad Lidge ... hell ask any closer. They've all been there.

It's called blown save for a reason.

Hoffman will forget about last night though. The good ones always do.

Right Lidge?

Fuck...step off.

You people OBVIOUSLY don't have the objectivity that not seeing the game brings.

It wasn't Hoffman's fault he was putting pitches into the batters' wheelhouse...he thought he was pitching BP.

Dins has a point.

He was ASKED to be on that mound by Garner, after all.

JCT wrote:

I don't put the NL loss entire on Trevor

Ahh yeah, someone else was throwing hanging changeups.

Simpleton.

orcinus wrote:When you have two outs with nobody on, and then come a home run away from giving up a two-out cycle rally, the loss most definitely falls on your shoulders.

Ask Brad Lidge ... hell ask any closer. They've all been there.

It's called blown save for a reason.

Hoffman will forget about last night though. The good ones always do.

Right Lidge?

He'll forget about it.

Why the hatin'?