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Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:07 pm**

About half an hour ago the California ISO declared a stage 2 electrical emergency, which means that large businesses that have contracted curtailable electric rates have to reduce demand. Stage 3 would mean rolling black or brown-outs.

Friday's system peak of 49,036 MW was the all time record. According to the ISO website we are now at 50,269 and expecting to peak out at 51,135. The total available resource is a little less than 54,000.

This could get interesting...

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:16 pm**

Not familiar with this "power shortage" thing.

Nice urban/utility planning, california.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:20 pm**

We lost power yesterday for 3 hrs (sup Bace?)
because of boiling Transformers, we are expected to be down again today while they replace the bad equipment so looks like I'm getting rolled one way or another.....

BTW my house only got to 84 degrees at the end of 3 hrs on a 112 degree day. Talk about kicking my own ass not having my panel system installed...

The rest of this place is dialed in great.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:23 pm**

mvscal wrote: It difficult to do when millions of people from all over the world actually want to live in your state.

Most of the people who seem to want to move to my state are from southern california, unfortunately...usually not the brightest bulbs on the tree.

But no, it's pretty simple to come up with some sort of plan to provide electricity to the people. California just chose not to.

We've still got some we might sell you, though...as per usual.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:28 pm**

too bad John Kerry isn't the POTUS
--it wouldn't have happened

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:30 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:But no, it's pretty simple to come up with some sort of plan to provide electricity to the people. California just chose not to.

So go ahead and break it down for us...what with it being so simple and all.

Well, first you have to start out with a population of about 4. Add in abundant "free" hydropower and you've got it made. Any more dumb questions?

Sin,
Dims

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:32 pm**

Wolfman wrote:too bad John Kerry isn't the POTUS
--it wouldn't have happened

Don't you ever get tired of sounding like a broken record?
And don't deny it, I know you're plenty old to know that a broken record sounds like.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:33 pm**

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/l ... 15,00.html

Friends remember man who was electrocuted as handy, good-natured

By Sarah Langbein, Rocky Mountain News
July 12, 2006
Alvin "Alvi" Davis worked with his hands.
The 30-year-old, who was born and raised in the small agricultural community of Strasburg, spent much of his life working as a farm laborer and more recently with a fencing company, his mother said Tuesday.

On Sunday, authorities said, Davis was electrocuted while tinkering with a high- voltage transformer on East 64th Avenue in Aurora as rain fell around him.

Police suspect Davis may have been trying to steal copper wiring, a popular target for thieves because of its skyrocketing price.

Xcel Energy, which owns the transformer, estimated that up to 13,200 volts surged through Davis' body.

Friends and family say the allegations against Davis are uncharacteristic of the man they knew.

Davis, they said, was known as a person to turn to for help or support. He was described as good-hearted, loving and outgoing.

"He was just wonderful," said friend Carrie Webb. "He was my best buddy."

Davis often stayed with Webb on the weekends at her Watkins home. She had introduced him to her roommate, who soon became Davis' girlfriend. They had been dating for three months, she said.

But Davis never overstayed his welcome and always helped the women around the house, Webb said. This past weekend, he fixed their garbage disposal.

"He could do anything," she said of Davis' ability to piece things back together.

But most of the time, Davis resided with his mother in Kiowa, following his father's death a couple years ago, Webb said.

His mother, Kristie Davis, said her son grew to love handiwork while spending time with his father. The two fiddled with cars, and Davis later learned to fix heavy machinery while working on farms.

As those close to Davis struggle with the circumstances that led to his death, they say they will always remember his good nature.

"He was so friendly that he'd just go up to someone he didn't know and start talking to them," Webb's daughter, Beverly, said. "This is just not like him."

In addition to his mother, Davis is survived by a 3-year-old daughter, an older sister and a younger brother.

Friends & relatives didn't know dude was a meth freak?

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:34 pm**

I just lowered my AC from 80 to 74.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:35 pm**

Y2K wrote:We lost power yesterday for 3 hrs (sup Bace?)
because of boiling Transformers, we are expected to be down again today while they replace the bad equipment so looks like I'm getting rolled one way or another.....

BTW my house only got to 84 degrees at the end of 3 hrs on a 112 degree day. Talk about kicking my own ass not having my panel system installed...

The rest of this place is dialed in great.

My thermostat was automatically set from 78 to 82 by SDG&E about an hour ago. Temp is up to 80. My new indoor/outdoor thermometer from Lowe's said 107.4, but it got cloudy and now it's down to 103.

My damn pool is up to 89 degrees. A lot of good that's gonna do me.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:37 pm**

Cuda wrote: "He was so friendly that he'd just go up to someone he didn't know and start talking to them,"

Another unfortunate trait of tweekers.

So, see if I have this right -- california allows new homes to hook up to the electrical grid, without actually having the electricity to run said grid?

Uhm yeah, defend that however you like -- I'll still laugh my ass off.

Do they build golf courses without any water supply, too?

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:41 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
Most of the people who seem to want to move to my state are from southern california, unfortunately...usually not the brightest bulbs on the tree.

Of course they arent-the first clue clue is that they were fucking dumb enough to move from socal to that drenched horrid shithole you call home.

Not that I have any problem with it-in fact, its highly RACKable that they got the fuck out of my overpopulated, beautiful state.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:42 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
So, see if I have this right -- california allows new homes to hook up to the electrical grid, without actually having the electricity to run said grid?

It does sound pretty damn stupid, doesn't it? But that's what happens when developers basically run your local governments.

We use a little more than half the electricity per capita that Oregon uses, and we're still in this situation. Of course, the constant unstaunched flow of immigrants from other states and countries hasn't exactly helped the situation, either. Would you like to take a few strip malls and associated Mexicans off our hands?

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:47 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
Cuda wrote: "He was so friendly that he'd just go up to someone he didn't know and start talking to them,"

Another unfortunate trait of tweekers.

So, see if I have this right -- california allows new homes to hook up to the electrical grid, without actually having the electricity to run said grid?

Uhm yeah, defend that however you like -- I'll still laugh my ass off.

Do they build golf courses without any water supply, too?

There is enough electricity.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:49 pm**

See You Next Wednesday wrote:There is enough electricity.

You're fairly smart.

Sin,
Rolling Brownouts

P.S.: No, you're not.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:51 pm**

Current Conditions (as of 2:47 PM)

100°F
Feels like: 100°F

Barometer: 29.7 in
Dewpoint: 64°
Humidity: 31.1%
Visibility: Unlimited
Wind: 11 mph W
Sunrise: 5:56 AM
Sunset: 7:52 PM

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:55 pm**

Mikey wrote:We use a little more than half the electricity per capita that Oregon uses, and we're still in this situation.

Yeah, we definitely could cut back and sell you the excess...but we won't. Might even have to kick the thermostat down a few degrees, just to spite your dumb asses.

Besides, we like Arizona much better than you, so they get the lion's share.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:03 pm**

mvscal wrote:What's with this "we" shit as if you have a say in what goes on?

I have the fire. I have the force. I have the power to make my evil take its course.

Reason #1,987,078,654 why Oregon is coller than california -- why yes, we DO look at it as "we." Not that you'd have any concept of living in a place where people actually give a shit about one another...

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:11 pm**

Tell you what...you keep yapping, and I'll just keep pointing at that pesky old scoreboard, which seems to indicate that the aluminum plants are firing on all cylinders, the streetlights we put up every 150 feet will be glowing tonihgt, and my AC will get as cold as I damn well please.

But no, seriously...keep yapping. I don't care how YOU look at it -- nobody is threatening to roll me up a brownout anytime soon.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:13 pm**

We have been asking the State to allocate a Billion dollars to double hydroelectric and water storage capacity in the hills just above where I live, it's brown worthless grassland that is used by cattle and rattlesnakes. It's a win win situation that Should already be started but Enviornmentalistss see spending 30 billion in tearing down Hetch Hetchy that supplies power and water to the Bay Area to restore nature..

as a project more worthy of studying . PLEEEEEASE don't hurt the snakes. Impact studies my ass.
Fucking dumbfucks.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:14 pm**

I see that Dins is getting the fuck kicked out of him yet again.....

Carry on.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 pm**

Raydah James wrote:I see that Dins is getting the fuck kicked out of him yet again.....

Let's see....I didn't build houses with no plan to power them.

My AC is still working.

Sounds to me that the only people "getting the fuck kicked out of" them is the calis, courtesy of a bunch of sheeple who won't stand up for themselves, and instead choose to let small special interest groups dictate policy.

So, excuse me if I retain some of that alleged "fuck" in me.

Maybe I should go water my lawn for about 200 hours straight.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:There is enough electricity.

You're fairly smart.

Sin,
Rolling Brownouts

P.S.: No, you're not.

Uh, I know more about this than you ever will.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:Tell you what...you keep yapping, and I'll just keep pointing at that pesky old scoreboard, which seems to indicate that the aluminum plants are firing on all cylinders, the streetlights we put up every 150 feet will be glowing tonihgt, and my AC will get as cold as I damn well please.

But no, seriously...keep yapping. I don't care how YOU look at it -- nobody is threatening to roll me up a brownout anytime soon.

Hmmmmm.....

Seems like you all have your own occasional, if different, weather and power-related problems. Haven't seen any CA airports closed lately, or any widespread complete power failures.

Portland's Paralyzing Ice Storm 2004, Worst in about seven years

The Storm began to unfold with an unexpected heavy snow storm on the morning of New Years Day, which was Thursday, January 1st. This snowstorm, however, was spotty, and mostly affected outlying areas to the south of Portland city center, such as Canby and Aurora.

In places like Canby, it began to snow around daybreak, and soon 4-6 inches piled up. It was the drier, lighter snow that is so enjoyable, and so unusual in the damp martime climate of the Portland area.

Temperatures stayed a bit subnormal for the next 3-4 days, and then temperatures dived. On both the 5th and 6th highs in Portland at PDX reached only 24 degrees, and with brutal east winds screaming out of the Columbia Gorge...Both of these days broke the old records for "low maximum temperature" for the date by 4 to 5 degrees.

On the 6th, all the intoxicating snow fun ended when warm air aloft began to override the cold arctic air.. Then a major FREEZING RAIN event turned the fun into danger that lasted for 3 to 4 long, long days and nights.

Both major freeways into and out of the Portland area were periodically CLOSED, as was MAX, Portland's famous light rail system.

Even PDX (Portland International Airport) was CLOSED, the airport setting an unenviable record for itself with some 2 1/2 days of no service, with thousands of stranded passengers and dozens of severely iced-up jet planes!

Area Schools were closed for 3-5 days, as parents and children struggled to even walk on the skating-rink-like surfaces hemming them in on every side. Power outages seemed to go on endlessly, affecting people all the way down the Willamette Valley into Corvallis and Salem. Even after temperatures recovered to above freezing, some customers, especially some in rural outlying areas, still were without power for 2-4 days. With the thaw, other bad things happened, for instance, when the roof on a major department store caved in on Friday in NE Portland!

The End: On Friday the 9th, even the eastern areas of Portland near Troutdale and the mouth of the Columbia River Gorge were finally above freezing and the huge accumulations of ice were beginning to slowly dissolve into a big mess. Portland's bout of ice and snow had lasted nine long days.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:19 pm**

See You Next Wednesday wrote: Uh, I know more about this than you ever will.

So, you're implying that there's a massive conspiracy going on the make people sweat more?

Ohhhkay.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:23 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote: Uh, I know more about this than you ever will.
So, you're implying that there's a massive conspiracy going on the make people sweat more?

Ohhhkay.

No, but we definitely have better ice storm planning than you do.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:26 pm**

Mikey wrote:Seems like you all have your own occasional, if different, weather and power-related problems. Haven't seen any CA airports closed lately, or any widespread complete power failures.

If "lately" is 2004, then whatever. You'll notice that was newsworthy?

Tell me more about these "widespread complete power failures," Mikey. I'm curious...I remember the ice storm of 2004, yet I didn't lose power, nor did anyone else I know. If you want to bring up Canby and Aurora....dude, puhleeeez...you want to start throwing third-world countries into the mix...whatever. Yeah, funny when you're in somewhat rural areas(like your link says), the power grid doesn't feature nearly the redundancy of more populated areas...:fuckingshocker:.

In the last few years, I think I've lived without electricity for a grand total of about 30 seconds...brutal.

But I like how you compared a complete lack of planning and inadequate infrastructure to catastrophic weather events...that was almost smooth.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:30 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
In the last few years, I think I've lived without electricity for a grand total of about 30 seconds...brutal.

Same here. So, where are these rolling brownouts you keep talking about? Oh, that's right they haven't happened. The fact is that they call a Stage 2 when the reserve gets below 5%. That doesn't mean rolling brownouts, genius, any more than rural power outages mean widespread power failures.

Talk about poor planning, though. When are you fuckers going to learn to deal with a little ice on the fucking runway. Like I said, I haven't seen LAX, SAN or SFO closed for multiple days since, well, never asshole. Great planning there, U&L.

But I like how you compared a complete lack of planning and inadequate infrastructure to catastrophic weather events...that was almost smooth.

You don't think an extended period of record high temperatures qualifies as a catastrophic weather event as much as an ice storm? My my you are myopic, aren't you?

As a matter of fact, this looks like pretty damn good planning to me...

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:30 pm**

Mikey wrote: No, but we definitely have better ice storm planning than you do.

Oh, I wouldn't bet on that, bud.

Dinsdale's Ice Storm Plan --

When weatherman predicts an ice storm, rush to store.

Buy 5 days worth of beer...12 cases should do it.

Wait for the freezing rain to show up(about a 1-in-5 chance, if the weatherman predicted it).

Stoke up woodstove(did I mention that firewood freaking grows on trees around here?)

Drink beer.

I've honed this plan down to an art form in my few ice storms.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:34 pm**

Mikey wrote:When are you fuckers going to learn to deal with a little ice on the fucking runway.

Hmmm....let US think on that...

De-icers poison the river. PDX is adjacent to the Columbia.

Hmmm....poison the Creek to make it easier for californians to get here, or take a few days off and go sledding or something...hmmm....

We COULD install heating elements(because you can do that when you have electricity), like certain housing developements at higher elevations around town do...

Nah. You'll just have to stay in SoCal, I guess.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:36 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
We COULD install heating elements(because you can do that when you have electricity), like certain housing developements at higher elevations around town do...

Then why don't you?

Nah. You'll just have to stay in SoCal, I guess.

Wasn't planning on leaving.

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:40 pm**

Y2K wrote:boiling Transformers

Ooh, love that song!

The Transformers! More than meets the eye!
Dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah , dah, dah, dah, dah...
the Decepticons!

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:58 pm**

Mikey wrote:Then why don't you?

Because nobody gives a shit if the airport goes down for a couple of days every 20 years. Why don't you ask those in the Upper Midwest and Northeast, who seem to have problems on a fairly regular basis.

You don't think an extended period of record high temperatures qualifies as a catastrophic weather event as much as an ice storm?

Dear God, you're dumb.

Besides Y2K's boiling transformers and whatsuch, which part of the power infrasructure was actually damaged by the heat?

And btw-it was 108 degrees here. And you know what? Nobody lost power, nobody threatened brownouts if we didn't use less electricity, and nobody whined.

Then again, we have these things called "rivers," and when it gets really hot here, we go there to socialize and cool off, instead of huddling up inside. NOvel fucking concept, eh?

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:28 am**

Is there anything funnier than watching Dins grasp desperately at straws and trying to give hollow reasons as to why that virtual swimming pool of a shit state is better than Cali?

Fucking Hilarious.

Yeah, you oregonian twats have the market absolutely cornered in summer/heat get togethers and socializing.......

Cant. Stop. Laughing.......

Fuck your pathetic Rivers, Beaches, Socials, and especially Women-Oregon isnt in the same stratosphere in ANY of those categories as Cali.

Shutting the fuck up would be in your best interest at this point, tard.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:35 am**

Over 1,000,000 homes and businesses have lost power in cali in the last 3-4 days.

No ice starom. No catasrophy...it just got hot. All of 3-4 degrees hotter than here.

Yet, I didn't see any boiling transformers. I heard little of any power outages. I heard nothing of brownouts.

Go ahead and keep claiming BODE because your transformers blew up because it got warm. Classic. Sounds like a FINE power infrastructure...if you're in Mississippi.

But hell...a SoCal is just a redneck with a goofy haircut, anyway.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:41 am**

Beaches?

You mean where the summer water temps sometimes get up as high as 55 deg? Oh yeah, you'll love our beaches. Just don't take your shoes off.

Sin,
Everybody in the U&L

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:47 am**

Raydah James wrote:Yeah, you oregonian twats have the market absolutely cornered in summer/heat get togethers and socializing.......

Cant. Stop. Laughing.......

Fuck your pathetic Rivers, Beaches, Socials, and especially Women-Oregon isnt in the same stratosphere in ANY of those categories as Cali.

Dinsdale wrote:But......But.......YOUR POWER LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE GOING OUT!!!

Still laughing over here.......

At least you arent stupid enough to argue the facts in my post, bitch.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:51 am**

Dinsdale wrote:Over 1,000,000 homes and businesses have lost power in cali in the last 3-4 days.

No ice starom. No catasrophy...it just got hot. All of 3-4 degrees hotter than here.

Yet, I didn't see any boiling transformers. I heard little of any power outages. I heard nothing of brownouts.

Go ahead and keep claiming BODE because your transformers blew up because it got warm. Classic. Sounds like a FINE power infrastructure...if you're in Mississippi.

But hell...a SoCal is just a redneck with a goofy haircut, anyway.

Queens is not in California.
But I thought you knew that.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:52 am**

Raydah James wrote:
At least you arent stupid enough to argue the facts in my post, bitch.

On this, you are correct.

I'm not nearly fluent enough in Stupidese to try and debate anything you said. I'm sure you were epic in your native tongue, though.

But, you need to start being a little nicer, or there's a couple of switches here that could be flipped that would bring your whole state to its knees.

Posted: **Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:53 am**

Mikey wrote:Queens is not in California.

Sure we are.

Sin,
Rayduh James

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