Is it.....

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:22 am

football season yet?
sincerely,
Red Sox fan

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:06 am

Can't get here soon enough. Please hurry.

-'Stros fan.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:22 am

I actually think the Sox make the wild card and do play the Yanks in the ALCS......kust stirring the pot a little.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:46 am

Stick a fork in the Sux. That pitching staff is 93 octane.

Beckett has lost his last 4 starts. 23 1/3 innings, 23 ER, 13BB and has given up 32 HR's this year.

Schilling has lost 1 and was ND in 2 of his last 3 starts.

After that who's starting? Wells? OK he threw 6 good innings today and then his fat out of shape ass was huffing and puffing.

The bullpen is fucking BRUTAL.

Red Sox have the 4th highest ERA in baseball, only TB, BAL and KC are worse. They are playing the Angels tomorrow - thursday with that battered staff. I see another sweep. They will win a few this weekend against Seattle and then they go to Oak who is rolling right now. 9 game road trip and they they are a sub .500 road team. Then Tor who they can never beat followed by the White Sox. They don't have an off day until Sep 7. .

Yanks have Sea starting tomorrow who have lost 11 straight, then the Angles, an off day, Det, Min and bottom feeders in KC, Off day, BAL and TB. And then 4 more in the Bronx against the Sux.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:16 am

Laxplayer wrote:football season yet?
sincerely,
Red Sox fan

You seem to know us very well!!!

That is what 90% of us chowds said on Sunday.... and after Monday's lack of timely hitting debacle and Manny's (ahem..) Hamstring issue... the other 10% concurred!!

We have our "Clutch Player" in Big Papi and you have your "Clutch Player" in Jeter. I told my son on Sunday...if there is anyone I do not want to see at the plate right now it's Jeter!! next thing you know Jeter hits that bloop to Right Field, tying the game and breaking our sense of hope! :sad:

The Red Sox were anemic and the Yankees All Star Lineup looked unbeatable. The only weak spot I see in the Yankees is starting pitching. Wang is your best pitcher, followed by Mussina and then the Unit... after that it's a crap shoot! But with a lineup like that.. who needs pitching??

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If the Sox do make the Wild Card... I can't see them going far unless the Angels in the Outfield make a return visit!!

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Okay, I do have to say it... No other team in baseball could afford to have that line up that The Yankees have. And no other team could lose players of the caliber of Sheffield and Matsui ($$25 Million combined salary) and still go on... but the Yankees have these guys..

..Damon (Best lead off hitter)
..Jeter (Even Red Sox fans are impressed by him)
..Abreu (Incredible pickup for minimal trade all you have to do is pay is his salary!)
..Giambi (Mr. HGH)
..A Fraud (Even though he chokes when clutch time comes... He makes many games never come to "Clutch Time")
..J. Posada (Still one of the top 10 catchers in the game)

salary of $103 Million
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Combined salary of $128 Million

I haven't even mentioned 1 pitcher and the total salary of the 8 players mentioned above (2 injured and 6 playing) is greater than the entire payroll of the 2nd highest salary team (The Boston Red Sox)

That is why it is so hard to compete with the Yankees and that is why the Red Sox will most likely always play second fiddle to the Yankees and hope for miracles in October!

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and when it comes to Football....

NO NY Team comes close to THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!
and you can take that to the BANK!!

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:01 pm

Pardon me if I don't shed a tear for any of the traditional powers that could/will miss the playoffs. Cry me a river, you spoiled bitches... :wink:

Ucant#Ÿ³ · Post by **Ucant#Ÿ³** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:25 pm

Jack wrote:Okay, I do have to say it... No other team in baseball could afford to have that line up that The Yankees have.

The Sox could... if they wanted to. Stop crying poor, you whiney little cunt.

The Sox suck because they have traded away their best young players over the last few years and made some horrible free agent signings to boot. The Sox suck because they signed shit players like Beckett, Clement, Crisp, Seanez, Tavarez, Renteria, and Foulke. How many millions of dollars are they on the hook for these stiffs? How many of these stiffs are even on their team? How many other teams can afford to pay these losers? Stop crying poor when the 2007 combined salaries of the 7 aforementioned stiffs is WELL OVER 50 MILLION DOLLARS!!! They were horrible signings. END OF STORY!!!!

Furthermore, the young players they have brought up... Hansen, Del Carmen, and Lester have been absolutely MISERABLY the last three weeks.

Meanwhile... the top 3 Yankees farm system guys: Cano, Wang, and Cabrera have turned into very good players.

Face it, the Sox suck because Theo Epstein and company have made some horrible trades and signings and vastly overrated the guys down on the farm. This isn't about how much the Yankees payroll is. It's about the how poorly YOUR overpaid collection of stiffs and AAA guys have played lately. Your organization is turning into a complete joke.... Imagine if they still had Lowe, Pedro, Damon, Cabrera, Arroyo, etc, etc, etc... Theo Epstein should be fired. Most overrated GM ever. Matt Clement for 9 million/year? Keith Foulke for 7 mil/year? Beckett for 10 mil/year? Bawahahahahahahaha...

The White Sox won the WS last year with a payroll of under 90 million. To date, the Red Sox the highest payroll of any WS winner... EVER!! This is not about the money. The Red Sox have plenty of money. They've just spent poorly with it. Epstein should be fired and your AAA players suck. That is your 2006 season in a nutshell...

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:14 pm

POOR??? Is a Sux fan whining about money??? Buster Olney must have thought you sobbing gashes would do that when he wrote this on his ESPN article.

The Red Sox may not spend as much as the Yankees, they may not believe that they should. But consider the incredible sources of income for the team -- perhaps the best local revenue streams of any club, with NESN and tremendous local radio coverage and advertising; the expansion of Fenway Park; the highest seat prices in the majors; the surprising and enormous dollars that every team is getting for the success of MLB.com; dramatically increased concessions, with dozens of additional beer taps in the park to charge big money for the brew. It is apparent that the Red Sox are grossing enormous amounts of money.
The Red Sox have basically held to their budget since they won the World Series in 2004. I don't have access to their books -- the next writer who does will be the first -- but this does beg a question: Where is the additional money going?

Maybe when Wakefield and Clement went down in JULY you should have gotten someone. You could have had Abreu, the Phils PAID him to waive his no trade clause and threw in a pitcher to get rid of him.

Blame George and his putting his revenue back in his team for your shitty GM. Hold on to those memories of 2004 because 2090 is a long time off.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:19 pm

Ucant#Ÿ³ wrote:Face it, the Sox suck because Theo Epstein and company have made some horrible trades and signings and vastly overrated the guys down on the farm. This isn't about how much the Yankees payroll is. It's about the how poorly YOUR overpaid collection of stiffs and AAA guys have played lately. Your organization is turning into a complete joke.... Imagine if they still had Lowe, Pedro, Damon, Cabrera, Arroyo, etc, etc, etc... Theo Epstein should be fired. Most overrated GM ever. Matt Clement for 9 million/year? Keith Foulke for 7 mil/year? Beckett for 10 mil/year? Bawahahahahahahaha...

The White Sox won the WS last year with a payroll of under 90 million. To date, the Red Sox the highest payroll of any WS winner... EVER!! This is not about the money. The Red Sox have plenty of money. They've just spent poorly with it. Epstein should be fired and your AAA players suck. That is your 2006 season in a nutshell...

Very good take...they've kept the wrong guys, no denying that. How much would love to have Abreu right now hitting front of Manny and Big Papi? Ortiz pretty much fell in their lap...he was decent player for the Twins but with Mientkiewicz there and Morneau waiting in the wings...they let him go for nothing. They've tried to get rid of Ramirez and he's one of the best offensive players of the last 20-25 years. I really don't know what Beckett's deal is...the dude had the makings of being the next Schilling or Clemens when he took the down the Yanks in the World Series. I'm so glad the Tigers didn't trade Verlander for Beckett and Lowell...of course hindsight is 20/20. You definitely see how important Varitek is to this team when you see the way the pitching staff and the overall attitude of the team is different...I think they can turn the ship around if he's able to get back before it's too late.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:30 pm

JCT wrote:POOR??? Is a Sux fan whining about money??? Buster Olney must have thought you sobbing gashes would do that when he wrote this on his ESPN article.

The Red Sox may not spend as much as the Yankees, they may not believe that they should. But consider the incredible sources of income for the team -- perhaps the best local revenue streams of any club, with NESN and tremendous local radio coverage and advertising; the expansion of Fenway Park; the highest seat prices in the majors; the surprising and enormous dollars that every team is getting for the success of MLB.com; dramatically increased concessions, with dozens of additional beer taps in the park to charge big money for the brew. It is apparent that the Red Sox are grossing enormous amounts of money.
The Red Sox have basically held to their budget since they won the World Series in 2004. I don't have access to their books -- the next writer who does will be the first -- but this does beg a question: Where is the additional money going?

Maybe when Wakefield and Clement went down in JULY you should have gotten someone. You could have had Abreu, the Phils PAID him to waive his no trade clause and threw in a pitcher to get rid of him.

Blame George and his putting his revenue back in his team for your shitty GM. Hold on to those memories of 2004 because 2090 is a long time off.

Knowing that the Sox put the title of "Biggest Choke in SPORTS History" on the vaunted Yanks will make up for another 86 years should it be that long....

Can't wait for another baseball team to get down 3-0 so we can see that stat on the screen....." Of course we all know the only team to blow a 3-0 lead in a best of 7 series......the 04 NY Chokers".....

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:45 pm

Beacuse 2004 has a lot to do with this season.

1. 12-4

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

2. 14 - 11

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

3. 13 - 5

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

4. 8-5

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

5. 2-1

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

Your leadoff hitter was 1 -19

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

Maybe you should have ponied up the extra 4 mil for Damon.

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

1st Yank 5 game sweep in Fenway since 1943

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

Rage against the dying of that light.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:47 pm

JCT wrote:Beacuse 2004 has a lot to do with this season.

1. 12-4

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
2. 14 - 11

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
3. 13 - 5

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
4. 8-5

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
5. 2-1

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004

Your leadoff hitter was 1 -19

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
Maybe you should have ponied up the extra 4 mil for Damon.

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
1st Yank 5 game sweep in Fenway since 1943

Neely8 wrote: We beat you in 2004
Rage against the dying of that light.

A Yanks fan is comparing 5 regular season games to the embarassment that was the 2004 postseason??? Your serious??

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:49 pm

The gag job in '04 is just a small blip in the overall history of the Yankees. They're known more for their successes than their failures. Meanwhile, the Sox were celebrated for their repeated failures until the stars finally aligned for them in 2004. The Yankees will always have 'bode on the Sox until Boston wins more titles than them...grab a Snickers, Chowds...that'll take a while.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:51 pm

What does the 2004 post season have to do with this season? Face it you have NOTHING to say about the absolute ass beating you just took. 30 days ago you had a 3 1/2 game LEAD now you're 6 1/2 games OUT. You better eject now before the beating gets worse.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:55 pm

JCT wrote:What does the 2004 post season have to do with this season? Face it you have NOTHING to say about the absolute ass beating you just took. 30 days ago you had a 3 1/2 game LEAD now you're 6 1/2 games OUT. You better eject now before the beating gets worse.

Ummm you brought it up......

JCT wrote:Blame George and his putting his revenue back in his team for your shitty GM. Hold on to those memories of 2004 because 2090 is a long time off.

I vaugely remember Yankee fans bringing up past history with me in disputes too. 1918 and all that BS. Oh and also one of my favorite Yankee fan quotes......"It's only the regular season"...

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:59 pm

1 sentence in everything I wrote addressing the topic at hand.

Neely8 wrote: I have nothing to add here

Noted.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:04 pm

JCT wrote:1 sentence in everything I wrote addressing the topic at hand.

Neely8 wrote: I have nothing to add here

Noted.

My comment was strictly aimed at that part of your post yes. We will enjoy 2004.

Topic at hand? No it's not football season yet. Am I disgusted by what I saw this weekend? HELL YES!! Is it the end of the season? No......

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:42 pm

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:46 pm

The funny thing is that Sox fan is happy for the next 75+ years because they won it in 2004. It's also pretty sad to see Sox
fan relish in the failure of the Yanks. Is it bad for a team to shoot for a championship every year? Hell the Pats do but if the
Sox don't then it's ok because as long as the Yanks don't win it. It's pretty sad that Sox fan is also trying to bring up the issue of payroll....AGAIN. If payroll was the biggest issue then wouldn't the Yanks have won every year for the past 5? The Twins, A's, Tigers, Sox etc..have proven that teams can be successful without spending hundreds of millions of dollars. The Yanks have many issues with their team right now as far as starting pitching, middle relief but I feel good about their chances going into September. Will the Sox make it? I'd bet on it and I'd also bet on them meeting in the ALCS.
As far as the Pats being compared to any New York football team....hell I'd put up the Giants record and world championships/superbowls against the Pats anyday.

It also looks like the Yanks are willing to sacrifice $$ to win.......something Sox fans and their ownership can't claim.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2557770
I'm sure they could sit and charge a lot more for tickets, concessions, TV rights, sponsorships etc.....but the fact that they're losing money speaks volumes about how committed they are to winning.

Terry in Crapchester · Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:50 pm

Toddowen wrote:Two....anything less than a World Series championship for The Yankees is a victory for the Sox. THAT'S the ultimate goal.

If you're serious about that, that's pathetic. I'm proud that my team shoots for a World Series every year, even if I think they'd be better off if the owner got the hell out of the way. That the Sox' idea of a "victory" is seeing the Yankees fall short of that goal . . . well, that speaks VOLUMES.

Props on winning a World Series once every 86 years, Soxfan. 2090 is a long way off.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:42 am

Ucant#Ÿ³ wrote:
Jack wrote:Okay, I do have to say it... No other team in baseball could afford to have that line up that The Yankees have.
The Sox could... if they wanted to. Stop crying poor, you whiney little cunt.

blah blah blah...

You are a f*cking idiot Yankee Troll!! I am not going to turn this into a salary thread. I was just stating financial fact. The Yankees can afford Tens of millions of dollars of wasted salary and still have the highest payroll and pretty much the best bunch of individual talent in the league.

JCT, You are not an idiot! but I am not going to turn this into a salary thread. But please explain the 93 Octane reference re: the pitching staff. In my neck of the woods, 93 Octane is High Octane and I know you can't think the Sox have High Octane pitching!!

Shoalzie, If/ when the Sox are mathematically eliminated.. you know that I and the rest of the country whose team is not in the running will be rooting for the Tigers!! That team is the GREATEST Story in MLB 2006.
but tell me could the Tigers stand a chance in hell if they lost Magglio Ordonez and Ivan Rodriguez (comparable to the Yankees losing Shef and Matsui).. I don't think so.

Even though Ivan's Power numbers are not so high.. He has to get some credit for being the catcher for all of those AMAZING Rookie (and newbie) Pitchers !!

Primex, Never count a team out until the team is officially OUT!!! Haven't you learned this yet??

Lax, I know you are smarter than your last reply re: salary and trying to compare a superiorly run sports league (THE NFL) to the fiasco that is known as (the MLB) so I will let those comments go by the wayside.

It's funny that my reply acknowledged how "on target" your thread was and how well you seem to know the mind of chowds. I also acknowledged and compared your greatest and most clutch player to the Red Sox, most clutch player. I acknowedged the anemic play that the Red Sox displayed..

But noone responded to that!! hmmm I must have hit a nerve with the topic that I won't turn this thread into!!

and noone mentioned how important Jason Varitek is to the Red Sox... since he has been on the DL, the Red Sox are 6-14. The Sox were in 1st place right before he went on the DL. Neither Varitek or Trot Nixon played in that series....

and for all of you that REALLY take this SHIT seriously!!!

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"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
THEODORE ROOSEVELT
(Paris Sorbonne,1910)

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:42 am

please explain the 93 Octane reference re: the pitching staff. In my neck of the woods, 93 Octane is High Octane and I know you can't think the Sox have High Octane pitching!!

Gas cans. They come in and it's like pouring gas on a fire. Like Tavarez. I got the Angles Sox gome on FSW right now (Yankees on gamecast). Tavarez comes in with a 2 run lead, loads up the bases, Figgins rolls one to 2nd, out at 2nd safe at 1st by a step. Tavarez just threw a temper tantrum on the mound. He was standing there kicking the mound and going apeshit. The whole infield had to come in and calm this nut down. Now Timlin is in with a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 7th and gives up a leadoff double and is throwing flat straight 88 mile poo and just walked Rivera. 93 octane gas. Now a single to Quinlin. Loaded them up for Salmon with 1 out. Fly ball and the Sox will have blown a 5-1 lead they had in the 2nd.

Ucant.#Ÿ³ · Post by **Ucant.#Ÿ³** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:32 pm

Jack wrote:Yankees can afford Tens of millions of dollars of wasted salary.

The Sux have more 'wasted salary' than any team in baseball. Stop ignoring the fact that Theo has signed a bunch of shit players over the last 3 years. Your guys on the farm... suck. This is why the Sux are not going to make the playoffs this year. Stop crying poor.

Freddy Sanchez would look good in a Sox uni right about now... as would H. Ramirez. Arroyo looked deece until recently. What about Cabrera? How's he doing? Nomar? Heck, even Clay Meredith has pitched 18 straight scoreless innings for the Pods. Wouldn't that be a nice option come the 7th inning? The list is endless. Face it, chooch. Bad decisions have fucked this team. Not the Yankees payroll. Theo traded away his best players and overpaid for a bunch of stiffs via free agency.

Shitty GM moves + shitty AAA players = shitty team being exposed '06.

END... OF!

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:24 pm

Ucant.#Ÿ³ wrote:
Jack wrote:Yankees can afford Tens of millions of dollars of wasted salary.
The Sux have more 'wasted salary' than any team in baseball. Stop ignoring the fact that Theo has signed a bunch of shit players over the last 3 years. Your guys on the farm... suck. This is why the Sux are not going to make the playoffs this year. Stop crying poor.

Freddy Sanchez would look good in a Sox uni right about now... as would H. Ramirez. Arroyo looked deece until recently. What about Cabrera? How's he doing? Nomar? Heck, even Clay Meredith has pitched 18 straight scoreless innings for the Pods. Wouldn't that be a nice option come the 7th inning? The list is endless. Face it, chooch. Bad decisions have fucked this team. Not the Yankees payroll. Theo traded away his best players and overpaid for a bunch of stiffs via free agency.

Shitty GM moves + shitty AAA players = shitty team being exposed '06.

END... OF!

Can you prove that? Link?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:22 pm

Ahhhh, it's that time of year again -- when the Sux finally realize that they're not going anywhere, and the do their near-yearly act...

December - August...spend money as fast as they can pull it out of the bank, slurping up every top free-agent who's dumb/smart enough to sign with them...

September-October...whine about the Yanks spending money.

It's a proud baseball tradition in Boston.

Ucant.#Ÿ³ · Post by **Ucant.#Ÿ³** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:38 pm

Is that all you're debating in the whole post, Neely?

I guess my other points were dead on money....

Dude -- the list would be subjective... I earlier listed about 7 players the Sux are paying who flat out suck. Or used to suck and are now thriving on other teams.

Besides Pavano, can you name me many other highly paid STIFFS on the Yankees?

I haven't even mentioned your 10 mil/year .240 hitting catcher yet. You do realize that, right?

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:03 pm

Ucant.#Ÿ³ wrote:Is that all you're debating in the whole post, Neely?

I guess my other points were dead on money....

Dude -- the list would be subjective... I earlier listed about 7 players the Sux are paying who flat out suck. Or used to suck and are now thriving on other teams.

Besides Pavano, can you name me many other highly paid STIFFS on the Yankees?

I haven't even mentioned your 10 mil/year .240 hitting catcher yet. You do realize that, right?

I do agree with alot of what you said yes. Am I happy with the front office and their job this year? Not at all.......

I do however think that the Yanks are guilty of alot of the same offenses. I don't have information on their dead money. I was just questioning if the Sox really are the leader.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:27 pm

Lax, I know you are smarter than your last reply re: salary and trying to compare a superiorly run sports league (THE NFL) to the fiasco that is known as (the MLB) so I will let those comments go by the wayside.

Jack, all I was trying to show is that the Yanks are losing money and no matter what, George still spends. Why? Because he wants to win. Most owners in MLB have the money but choose not to spend it. Why don't they put their share from luxury tax back into their teams? That's not GS's fault. Is it his fault that teams are run poorly? Is it his fault that his team is the biggest draw on the road? Keep complaining about the Yanks and spending money because that's all you have. Yo got your one WS championship and ALL Sox fans are happy with that because if the Yanks lose then you win. 1 WS championship.......and you people are OK with that....

I'm not trying to compare the NFL to MLB, I was saying I'd put up the Giants history of success vs. the Pats anyday of the week.

Ucant.#Ÿ³ · Post by **Ucant.#Ÿ³** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:27 pm

Neely8 wrote:I don't have information on their dead money. I was just questioning if the Sox really are the leader.

I don't know. I would include stiffs currently on the Sux, like Foulke, Lowell, Crisp, Clement, etc, etc... as opposed to just players such as Kevin Brown and Renteria who are paid non-roster dudes...

Like I said, it'd be a subjective list... However I bet I can compile a higher salaried list of Sox players who you'd rather not be paying at all ,as opposed to the Yankees, who have a lot of highly paid players that are actually producing and worthy of keeping on the roster.

Neely8 · Post by **Neely8** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:39 pm

Ucant.#Ÿ³ wrote:
Neely8 wrote:I don't have information on their dead money. I was just questioning if the Sox really are the leader.

I don't know. I would include stiffs currently on the Sux, like Foulke, Lowell, Crisp, Clement, etc, etc... as opposed to just players such as Kevin Brown and Renteria who are paid non-roster dudes...

Like I said, it'd be a subjective list... However I bet I can compile a higher salaried list of Sox players who you'd rather not be paying at all ,as opposed to the Yankees, who have a lot of highly paid players that are actually producing and worthy of keeping on the roster.

The guys you listed are not dead money. Shitty signings perhaps, but 3 of them are on the 25 man roster now. Lowell actually has been a nice addition this year. Cooled off lately thats for sure, but dude has played great defense and has given more in offense then anybody expected. Crisp is a mistake and will most likely be moved in the offseason. Clement is a definite mistake. I consider dead money being that which you pay other teams for guys like Renteria, or guys who are no longer on the 25 man roster like Kevin Brown in the Yanks case.

Have not liked Theo for a long time actually. He has not shown me that he knows what he is doing. They won the series in spite of him in my opinion.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:54 pm

Lax,

The Yankees are not now and never will be LOSING MONEY!!
- Look at the whole picture, ticket sales, cable network, marketing, etc....
The Yankees are not now and never will be LOSING MONEY!!

and MLB cannot compare to NFL!
ask anyone that is not a Red Sox or Yankees fan about the inequities in MLB. In the NFL all teams stay within a range.

In the NFL in 2003, The lowest salary team was the Browns at 53 Million and the Highest was the Saints at 95 Million.
http://www.theredzone.org/2003/salaries ... nkings.asp

The NFL stays in a range and no team has a GREAT advantage over the other..

The Red Sox have the 2nd highest salary in the MLB but it is under the luxury tax threshold. The Yankees are 80 Million over the Luxury tax threshold.

So, if they win.. They should. If they don't win.. Why not???

but as far as Losing $$$. No, the Yankees will never lose money! George is very financially wise!!!

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Payroll Ceiling and Tax Rate

2006, the last year of the luxury tax under this agreement, the threshold is $136.5 million.

First-time violators pay a 22.5% tax after this year.

Second-time violators pay a 30% tax.

Third-time (or greater) violators will pay a 40% tax.

*The Yankees are 3 time violators!
The Red Sox could not afford to violate the threshold again!

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/m ... p&c_id=nyy

It's that simple.

Where Does the Money Go?

Contrary to popular opinion, the tax revenues do not go to the "poor" clubs. In fact, they don't go to any club at all.

Half of the money will go to player benefits (i.e. pension fund).

One quarter of the money will go to the "industry-growth fund."

One quarter of the money will be allocated for developing baseball players in countries with no organized baseball at the high school level.

Laxplayer · Post by **Laxplayer** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:16 am

Jack...I don't think I was comparing the NFL to MLB. I know there is no comparison and MLB is so far behind the times it seems like they don't have elictricity compared to the NFL. Why do you think I'm arguing this point?

T1B

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