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Don't think anyone started a thread on this yet. Let's see if any of us sans M-Tool will be a genius on Jan. 9th. Homer picks are definitely allowed.

SUGAR - LSU def. USC
ROSE - Michigan def. Arizona State
ORANGE - Notre Dame def. Miami
FIESTA - Texas def. Louisville

BCS - Ohio State def. Auburn

Call It!

No chance on Arizona State.

You're probably right, especially with last week's events thrown into the mix. I'm just going off the historical trend that ASU makes a Pac-10 run once every decade. And with all the guys USC lost from last year, it might be one of those years a surprise team comes out of that conference. Call me crazy, but I think UofA could be a factor as well.

Well, ASU wouldn't really be a suprise team either. If there is going to be a total suprise team, from the Pac-10, I'd give the best shot to Washington State. They were in most games last year in the 4th quarter and they play all of the top conference teams at home. If they can improve a lot, those home games could elevate them. Of course, it cuts both ways too, if they struggle even a little, they could lose all/most of their home games and have to get wins on the road.

ASU is always getting hyped. But the reality is they've gone 4-8, 8-6, 5-7, 9-3, and 7-5 in Koetter's 5 years coaching them. Of course anything's possible, but while this year's team looks solid, it isn't even the best incoming team they've fielded in those 5 years and doesn't have a particularily favorable schedule or anything (They play at Cal and at USC, and get Oregon after an Oregon bye week).

Considering Koetter's already fucked up things before the season started, I really don't see how this could be an unusually outstanding year for ASU.

MSU Green vs. MSU White in the National Championship Game

Sin,
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Back to the topic at hand, fwiw . . .

ROSE: USC def. Oklahoma
FIESTA: Texas def. Cal
SUGAR: West Virginia def. Auburn
ORANGE: Florida def. Miami

BCS: Ohio State def. Notre Dame

Terry in Crapchester wrote:BCS: Ohio State def. Notre Dame

Again????

What about the almighty great CW?

ROSE: USC def. Ohio State
FIESTA: Notre Dame def. Penn State
SUGAR: FSU def. LSU
ORANGE: Auburn def. Miami

BCS: Texas def. West Virgina

Sky wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:BCS: Ohio State def. Notre Dame

Again????

What about the almighty great CW?

I'm trying not to homer too much. And I could see the media making a big deal, going into this game, about ND not having won a bowl game since the '93 season. Not that that should matter, but you never really know how college kids will react to pressure.

If this is the BCS championship matchup, and I think there's a decent chance it could be, the game could go either way.

I know man, I am just giving you crap. I guess it will depend how well our offense can carry the rest of the team.

ROSE: Mich Over Cal
FIESTA: USC over Texas
SUGAR: Florida over Lousville
ORANGE: Miami over West Virginia

BCS: Auburn over OSU

I didn't put much time into this, but I thought I'd put someting on the record.

Wow Blind, I wouldn't expect you having OSU in the championship game. Or maybe you were attempting some reverse karma.

It's one of those win-win things. I do it in the Pick'em with A&M. I like to pick A&M's opponent. If A&M wins, WGAF? If A&M loses, at least I got the pick'em correct.

My homerism doesn't blind me from looking at the conference rationally.

OSU is the best team in the conference, and I don't see Michigan winning in the shoe....therefore, OSU should be in the national championship game.


And it doesn't mean I am happy about it. :)

BlindRef wrote:My homerism doesn't blind me from looking at the conference rationally.

OSU is the best team in the conference, and I don't see Michigan winning in the shoe....therefore, OSU should be in the national championship game.


And it doesn't mean I am happy about it. :)

I picked tOSU in the championship game as well, but I don't quite follow your logic here. Or are you saying that the Big 10 champ should be in the BCS championship game every year?

Truth be told, tOSU will need a little luck or a lot of help to reach the BCS championship game. Regardless of what they do in conference, potentially their biggest challenge is OOC -- Texas on the road. To reach the BCS championship game, they'll either need to win that one, or get a lot of help.

I didn't word thing particularly well....


There are the best team in the Big Ten.


They will also be in the National Championship game.

And, my homerism would preclude me to believe that the best team in the Big Ten is probably the best team in the county. :)

But that wasn't my argument in this case.

BlindRef wrote:I didn't word thing particularly well....


There are the best team in the Big Ten.

Have you started drinking already?

Dude, it's only Vandy...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Have you started drinking already?

Yes.

Sin,
3 hours ago

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Truth be told, tOSU will need a little luck or a lot of help to reach the BCS championship game. Regardless of what they do in conference, potentially their biggest challenge is OOC -- Texas on the road. To reach the BCS championship game, they'll either need to win that one, or get a lot of help.

IMO, @Iowa is the make-or-break game for the Bucks. Even if tOSU loses to Texas, I still think it's early enough to sneak back into the BCS championship. But they have to beat the Hawkeyes in Iowa City at night or else chances are pretty slim from there.

Like I said before, if Notre Dame & Ohio State escape September with no losses, they both will have earned those lofty rankings. Realistically, I don't think either one will be able to do it.

Michigan and OSU face the same pitfalls. Iowa, Penn St. , and MSU will have solid squads. I like how UM homers point to the 9 lost defensive starters for OSU. That might help if we played them in September. By November they'll all have a season under their belts. The Big Ten will be strong, 2 bcs teams almost certainly. Iowa, OSU, UM...2 of them will be in. I think PSU lost too much on offense, but will be strong. MSU is a wild card like I said. They'll score with anyone, can they defend anyone? I look for the classic UM/OSU matchup with a lot on the line. The rest of the BCS doesn't mean much to me from a prognostication standpoint.

BCS will consist of....
1-Pac-10
2-sec
1-acc
1-big east (only cuz we have to)
2-big 10
2-Big 12
Notre Dame

Sugar - FSU over Auburn
Orange - Miami over Notre Dame
Fiesta - Texas over LSU
Rose - USC over Michigan

BCS - Oh St over WVa

Error Error Error...does not compute

If W. Virginia plays in the BCS game I say we all take our coloring books, rip 'em up and go home.

sweet, noone has sucked tcus cock.

seems everyone thinks they are the bcs buster




if it wasn't for a shitty pregame plan and in game plan, baylor crushes tcu.



amazing, 10 baylor players(starters) were out for major parts of game with cramps. nice job coach, it's not like you dont practice in the heat. pregame meal must of been real healthy and good for the kids, was krispy kreme closed?(bitter, had baylor+7)

Van wrote:If W. Virginia plays in the BCS game I say we all take our coloring books, rip 'em up and go home.

Why? They are not a bad team by any means. I still think Louisville wins the Big East, even without Bush.

MuchoBulls, the criteria for playing in the BCS Title Game needs to be a lot higher than simply "not being a bad team by any means"...

Utah and Boise State both ran the table and neither were ever going to get a sniff at the title game, and rightfully so. Same deal this season with W. Virginia. When your only potential "quality wins" consist of Maryland, Pitt and Louisville, well, no. You don't get into the title game, not even over many a one loss team...

Bottom line, here's why W. Virginia cannot play in the title game, not unless they run the table and there aren't at least two other one loss teams out there by season's end...

W. Viginia's 2006 schedule

-Marshall (joke)

-Eastern Washington (unconscionable joke)

-Maryland (THIS passes for a big game??)

-at East Carolina (WTF??)

-at Mississippi State (doormat)

-Syracuse (make it hoops instead of football and okay, now we're talking...)

-at Connecticut (WTF, Part II?? Do they even play football?)

-at Louisville (BFD)

-Cincinnati (dammit, this is FOOTBALL season, not hoops!)

-at Pitt (unless Dorsett and/or Marino is playing, this is just another hoops game)

-South Florida (how many joke games can one team have on one schedule??)

-Rutgers (Ooooohhh! The Scarlet Pimpernels...)

12 games, only five roadies and only game on the entire schedule that they'll even need to be awake for in order to win. Texas, OSU, USC and probably even ND would walk through that joke of a schedule without their first teamers ever needing to play an entire game.

Is it W. Virginia's fault the ACC poached their best teams? Nope.

Is it W. Virginia's fault that they play in W. Virginia, where the other local teams/rivalries are all dogshit except for Va Tech? Nope. (Though there's no excuse for Va Tech and W. Virginia not playing each other every year. That one should be as automatic as OSU-Michigan or ND-USC...)

So, no, it's not entirely W. Virginia's fault. Doesn't matter. It wasn't Boise State's or Utah's fault either. Bottom line, when you play in THAT poor of a conference then you have to schedule like a motherfucker OOC and even then it may not be enough, not when teams like USC already schedule like a motherfucker OOC.

You simply can't play for the title after coasting all season long on a diet of nonstop creampuffs. A one loss OSU-Penn State-Texas-USC-Auburn-LSU will always be far more deserving.

Is it W. Virginia's fault that they play in W. Virginia, where the other local teams/rivalries are all dogshit except for Va Tech? Nope. (Though there's no excuse for Va Tech and W. Virginia not playing each other every year. That one should be as automatic as OSU-Michigan or ND-USC...)

WVU and Va Tech have played each other every season since 1973 (you do know both schools were in the same conference for awhile and were playing each other "every year" right? They were also playing each other as independents prior to their Big East days).

Why they aren't playing this year...I'll leave that one for someone else. I guess because maybe they don't "have to." It's a huge game. I'm sure they'll pick it up again in the future.

Mgo, exactly why did you submit that post? By pointing out that they're not playing this year (which is the year we're talking about, after all) and then providing no reason as to why they aren't playing this year you managed to add precisely nothing to this discussion.

"Because they don't have to..." would be even more reason to exclude W. Virginia from any BCS title game consideration. Hey, W. Virginia, while you're at it, why not just drop every possible loss from your schedule?

Was your purpose simply to put "every year" in quotes, as if there was something strange about that phrase? Or, didja just wanna be the first one to drop the non sequitous 1973 tidbit?? Boning up for the intramural "Sports Jeopardy" tourney or something?

Anyway, hope you feel better now after getting all that knowledge off your chest.

Why?

Because with your choice of words, you sure made it sound like they haven't been playing each other. I was merely pointing out they have been for years.

I merely pointed out that they're not playing each other this year (and that they should automatically schedule that game every year, no matter what), and minus that game W. Virginia has absolutely nothing on their schedule that'd make them BCS title game worthy.

I wouldn't quite label the Louisville game as a "big fucking deal" type of game (with or without Bush), but, yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with you.

I seem to remember certain SC fans REALLY attempting to over qualify their win over Fresno St as a "top notch" victory. If that's the case, a consistently ranked Louisville squad has to be considered a quality win, too.

-Louisville isn't "consistently ranked". They're an absolute newcomer to the highly ranked echelons of college football, and their high ranking is also the result of piling up most of their wins against absolute creampuffs.

-USC counts bowl game wins and wins over Auburn, ND and UCLA as "top notch" victories. Wins over Cal and Fresno State are usually only considered significant depending on how the game went, which is why USC Fan attached significance to the Fresno State game.

They're an absolute newcomer to the highly ranked echelons of college football

So what? The fact is, they're here now.

Van, you have to admit, you SC fans are spoiled. When you root for a team that's dropping 0 and 1 loss seasons like they're nothing, it's easy to underscore everybody else. To the rest of the country, Louisville is a scary squad that you don't want to play. Just ask anyone here.

Louisville's offense looked great. They will need to work on their defense to make it to the end.

Yup. With that offense, they can hang with anyone in the country. Just ask the 04 Miami team (whom I think should've lost that one).

Hell, I'm not even saying Louisville is a great team, certainly a dangerous team, but probably not great. My point is simply they definitely deserve better than a "big fucking deal," type of reaction.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

They're an absolute newcomer to the highly ranked echelons of college football

So what? The fact is, they're here now.

True, but that doesn't mean they've been "consistently ranked". They haven't; or, at the least, they haven't been consistently highly ranked.

Van, you have to admit, you SC fans are spoiled.

Definitely, though it sure was a long time coming.

When you root for a team that's dropping 0 and 1 loss seasons like they're nothing, it's easy to underscore everybody else. To the rest of the country, Louisville is a scary squad that you don't want to play. Just ask anyone here.

Dunno about all that. If Lousiville had to travel to Columbus, Austin, L.A. (the shitty part) or any of a number of other deeply entrenched programs Louisville would find themselves as double digit underdogs and they'd be hard pressed to keep the game in sight.

More than anything else Louisville is simply the beneficiary of a very weak conference schedule and an inconsistently difficult OOC schedule. Like W. Virginia, they really only have to get up for maybe one or two games at most per season. That ain't gonna get it done. Replace Vandy with Louisville in the SEC (or drop 'em in any of the other stacked conferences) and we're not having this discussion.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Just ask the 04 Miami team (whom I think should've lost that one).

Miami may get their asses kicked this year against them. That game (on Sept. 16) is going to be a barnburner.

Mgo, Lousiville rates a "BFD" from me simply because all one has to do is peruse the entirety of W. Virginia's schedule to see that the Louisville game is really their one and only tough game.

As one and only tough games go, sorry, but Louisville doesn't rate. Sure, they could be a tough "trap" game for somebody who managed to sandwich Louisville on their schedule between LSU and Auburn or between ND and Ohio State but when you play Louisville late in the season and they're you're only tough game all season you really ought to have no problem at all with rising up just one time to stomp 'em.

Basically, a team with BCS title game pretentions doesn't view a single late season game against Louisville as any sort of real stumbling block. The true heavyweights in college football would roll Louisville like JTR at the Bunny Ranch if that one Louisville game was all they had to get up for in an entire season...

Van wrote:True, but that doesn't mean they've been "consistently ranked". They haven't; or, at the least, they haven't been consistently highly ranked.

This current squad has been consistently ranked. And future Louisville teams will be consistently ranked if they continue reloading at the QB position. And I didn't say "highly" ranked. You did.

Dunno about all that. If Lousiville had to travel to Columbus, Austin, L.A. (the shitty part) or any of a number of other deeply entrenched programs Louisville would find themselves as double digit underdogs and they'd be hard pressed to keep the game in sight.

Most people consider the Orange Bowl a pretty tough place to play. And not only did they keep the game "in sight," they practically had it won.

But hey, keep trying to pass off your hypothetical scenarios as facts, and I'll actually reference REAL evidence.

More than anything else Lousiville is simply the beneficiary of a very weak conference schedule and an inconsistently difficult OOC schedule. Like W. Virginia, they really only have to get up for maybe one or two games at most per season. That ain't gonna get it done. Replace Vandy with Louisville in the SEC (or drop 'em in any of the other stacked conferences) and we're not having this discussion.

I don't really disagree with this. Remember, my argument originally stems from you claiming Lousiville to be a "big fucking deal" type of team. They're more significant than that.

I don't think they are. You do. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then since they're not going to drop out of their conference and go play a real all season long schedule so that we could find out for sure...