Raiders trade WR Gabriel to Pats.......

[Raydah James]

Mother. Fuck.

The compensation for Gabriel has not been announced yet.


Congrats, Patfan-you just landed yourselves a young, badass WR that Al Davis will regret having traded in a few short years.

[KC Scott]

Yea... That makes great sense.

Trade Gabriel and keep Porter.

seriously........ if your able:

How many games are your Raiders gonna win this year, RJ?

[socal]

It's all part of Al's plan to lure QB Roman Gabriel from retirement.

[Raydah James]

How many games are your Raiders gonna win this year, RJ?

More than the laughs your melting sig will garnish all season.


Throw me a fucking beer while I kick my feet up in your head, gramps.





Neely, Th, and Hap-What do see happening with your WR holdout after this move?


The depth the Raiders have at WR is astounding-Morant looks like he's ready to fuck shit up, and Curry (who was the best WR on our team not too long ago) is back to team up with Moss. Personally, I worry more about the QB position than anything at this point.

[Th]

How many games are your Raiders gonna win this year, RJ?

Neely, Th, and Hap-What do see happening with your WR holdout after this move?

I believe that they will let him sit it out as long as he wants to then at the end of the year slap the franchise tag on him. That way when another team signs him the Patriots will STILL get compensation for him leaving. That is of course if he doesn't get traded.




BTW, got a link to this Gabriel trade story?

[Joe in PB]

Meanwhile the Patriots will struggle on offense.

Who are the starting WR's? Ricochet Caldwell, Chad “hamstrung” Jackson, Troy “Grey Beard” Brown and now Doug “cast off” Gabriel.

The Patriots are a mess offensively, will probably yield the division to Miami, and are lucky both Buffalo and Nyj's are down..

[The Assassin]

Glad to see Al Davis keeping the problem child and letting go a potential star.


:roll:

[KC Scott]

How many games are your Raiders gonna win this year, RJ?

More than the laughs your melting sig will garnish all season.

I laugh every time I see it.

And the fact that you choose to acknoweldge it:



heh heh

[Joe in PB]

Of course what this trade means besides the Pats are hurting at WR is Ronald Curry must be ready to go.

[Raydah James]

And the fact that you choose to acknoweldge it:



heh heh

Christ, you're fucking stupid.

You got the fuck beat out of you like a rented mule by me, and in grand melt fashion you decided to dedicate your entire fucking sig to the one who smashed you. Typical tard response.

'BODE you for knowing how to take a smackdown and shitting out my size 12.

Now get me a ham sammich, bluehair.




Joe-Curry looks good, and the reports say he is ready to go-we'll see how he holds up this season, but Raiderfan is exited about his return.

Th-Who's in the frontrunning to land Branch?

[Th]

Looks like the Pats are giving up a 5th round pick in the Gabriel trade.


http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm? ... 75&pcid=41



Seattle seems to be thinking over giving up their 1st round pick that Belichick & Pioli are looking for in the Branch trade.



http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sp ... 18&srvc=sz

[Mal]

Wow.

I was gonna chime in saying undisclosed usually means a shit draft pick until the 5th rounder tidbit came out.

So we drafted Gabriel in the 5th round, developed him for a few years, and sent him to the Pats for that 5th rounder just as he was possibly about to turn the corner?

Wow.

If I'm a Pats fan I'm pretty fucking stoked right about now. A starting caliber NFL receiver basically for nothing. :roll:

So Hamilton and Gabriel are gone for what? A 5th and 6th rounder in next years draft?

Be still my heart.

Gabriel hasn't exactly seized his opportunity this preseason like I had hoped he would and he doesnt have the greatest hands but he can help a team win games and he will help the Pats - count on it.

I get the WR was our deepest position and all but daymm Al???

The Mules got a 3rd for Lelie....Why not move Porter instead?

Sigh

Whatever....

Time to adjust Madden I guess.

WTF is 800k really? Did we really get over by dumping his salary?

I think not.

Bad deal Al.

[poptart]

Before drawing conclusions I'd like to let the dust settle a bit because I think there is possibly more going on here than we are aware of at this point.

Btw, so far so good for R. Curry, and that is a BIG plus for the Oakland receiving corp ...... and the offense in general.

He plays the slot well and he makes the tough possession catches, something we sorely lacked last year.

Not only that, but he's also very capable of making the BIG play.

Great athlete.


Wait and see what shakes out with this deal because it wouldn't surprise me to see some other deal branch off of this one.

[Neely8]

Before drawing conclusions I'd like to let the dust settle a bit because I think there is possibly more going on here than we are aware of at this point.

Btw, so far so good for R. Curry, and that is a BIG plus for the Oakland receiving corp ...... and the offense in general.

He plays the slot well and he makes the tough possession catches, something we sorely lacked last year.

Not only that, but he's also very capable of making the BIG play.

Great athlete.


Wait and see what shakes out with this deal because it wouldn't surprise me to see some other deal branch off of this one.

Pun intended??

[Raider Loco]

Jeff George is gone wooohoooo! Jerry Porter played with the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th teams this preseason and did shit. He (Gabriel) was faster, bigger and had better hands than Porter yet he got traded for a 5th rounder? Doesn't matter if it was a 5th rounder or a 1st rounder for him, Al would of still made a fucked up pick no matter what round it was. Porter must have got on his knees and gave Shell a good blow job to keep him around. Ronald Curry is injury prone and Doug Gabriel has been getting better and better each season. I'm a big Al Davis fan but I think this old piece of shit has finally gone cookoo!

[Joe in PB]

The problem is Porter's trade value is nil because of salary and his fucked up attitude. He’s just too much trouble for a mediocre WR.

[Th]

The problem is Porter's trade value is nil because of salary and his fucked up attitude. He’s just too much trouble for a mediocre WR.

Branch is headed in that same direction now . . . . . . . . . . salary demands and attitude.

[poptart]

As I said earlier, I won't be surprised to see something else come of this deal.

But if it doesn't, I have a hard time going along with Raider fan's outrage over it.

The terms of the deal have not been made official (to my knowledge), but let's assume that it WAS Gabriel to the Pats for a 5th rd. pick.

Gabriel has POTENTIAL, yes, but he hasn't beaten out Jerry Porter in either of the past two years, has he .... ?
We like to dog Porter, and with some good reason, but the fact is that until Gabriel SHOWS that is a better player, he isn't.
Perhaps Art made his point with Porter and they've mended fences .... ?
We have Moss, Porter, Curry, Morant and Whitted.
Morant (like Gabriel) gives the appearance that he's ready to break out and be a legit NFL receiving threat.
We're not in bad shape at receiver without Gabriel, if you ask me.

We drafted Gabriel in the 5th and we trade him and get (allegedly) a 5th.

I dunno, it seems like a lot of the Nation is acting like we just traded away a future perenniel Pro Bowler for a sack of rocks, but myself, I'm not outraged ..... if in fact the terms are what we've been led to believe.

Wait and see.

[KC Scott]

You got the fuck beat out of you like a rented mule by me, and in grand melt fashion you decided to dedicate your entire fucking sig to the one who smashed you.

Link?

* Here's a clue since you don't seem to have one;
My last beatdown of you is in the The 'chives.

To be honest, your really starting to bore me.

You've become Rayduh Paul, good for a pile on most anytime,
but seldom worth the effort, anymore.

You lack any true football knowledge,
and are limited to your absurd Rayduh myopic predictions -
none of which ever come to pass.

Even your weekly "Props to (Insert team that beats the 'Duhs) threads"
is not worth the keystroke it takes to open.
The only value you have is your week 8-9-10 melts after the 'duhs have been mathmaticaly eliminated.
Then we all get to watch your 'Duh bretheren toss you under the proverbial bus
for being the uneducated bandwagon fuck your really are.

You just keep on trying to get your cred though.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Mal]

I was pissed off over the Gabriel trade last night.

Apparently I wasn't alone.

Busting into the Vodka only fueled my anger and I spent about three hours on a Sat night ranting on various message boards and ruining my evening.

But a nights sleep (or drunken slumber) has given me a different perspective.

I still think a 5th rounder is weak compensation but what has Gabriel really done to warrent a high draft pick in a trade?

He has potential yes but production and potential are two different things.

As always when you watch a player develop over a few years you tend to overestimate his value.

I like Gabriel as a hard working team guy but talent wise he is pretty much run of the mill.

Average speed, questionable hands, and a failure to seize an opportunity that was practically given to him with the Porter fiasco.

He hasn't done much this preseason.

On the other hand Johnnie Morant has stepped up his play. He likely wont get much meaningful pt this season but looks much like the same player as Gabriel to me.

5th round compensation sucks but it's better than no compensation at all.

I never really have liked Whitted but for whatever reason Oakland does. He would have been my pick to go before Gabriel but I don't make those decisions.

Bottom line is that in terms of wins and losses I really don't see this effecting us at all.

Wide receiver is still our deepest position on the team.

Gabriel had his opportunity and missed the boat.

We parted ways and whats done is done.

Maybe he will shine in New England, maybe not. I'm curious to see how he fares catching the ball in a cold weather city personally.

It's amazing what a screaming hangover will do for your anger.

[Raydah James]

Nice breakdown, JJ.

On the other hand Johnnie Morant has stepped up his play. He likely wont get much meaningful pt this season but looks much like the same player as Gabriel to me.

The big difference being that Morant has shown to have better hands than Gabriel.


The thing about Gabriel is that he showed flashes of being a very effective reciever when he was thrust into the position of having to do so. In last years debacle, he was one of the few bright spots.


Curry returning is a beautiful thing-hope that kid rips this year.



Pop, I was more dissapointed than angry at the trade. I wish Gabriel well, and hope he isnt is difference maker in future Pat/Raider Matchups.

I'd like to finally see what Francis can do as well.........



Bottom Line: Al wouldnt have done this if Porter was still acting like a bitch.

[Neely8]

So who did this guy have throwing to him in Oakland? I think having a QB in Tom Brady delivering the ball will help to see if he is really any good. We shall see...

[Th]

So who did this guy have throwing to him in Oakland? I think having a QB in Tom Brady delivering the ball will help to see if he is really any good. We shall see...

I wonder if he starts vs Buffalo next Sunday?

[Neely8]

So who did this guy have throwing to him in Oakland? I think having a QB in Tom Brady delivering the ball will help to see if he is really any good. We shall see...

I wonder if he starts vs Buffalo next Sunday?

Based on our WR group right now I wouldn't doubt it...

[drummer]

Alvis Whitted is penciled in as #2 opposite Moss for the season opener ...

Hmmmmmmmm........

[poptart]

I don't pretend to know the inner workings of Raider Central, but that won't stop me from giving a take.

Take is ......

Porter is still in the doghouse.
Curry is basically a slot receiver.
That leaves Whitted or Morant to be 'penciled in' as the starter opposite Moss.
Whitted has been around longer and has basically kept to his business.
He gets penciled in.

He is NOT Oakland's '#2' receiver though.
Everyone knows that.
He's a deep ball threat though, and a defense does have to account for him.

I'm very curious to see what goes on with the Oakland receiving corp the first couple of weeks of the season.
Many questions to be answered.

What role will Porter play ... ?
Is Curry really healthy enough to be counted on to produce .... ?
Can Morant establish himself as a legit target .... ?
Can we get more out of our TEs this year ... ?
Will Moss be what he was prior to last year's injury season .... ?

Can the O-line keep folks off of our QB long enough to let him get his throws off ... ?

[poptart]

This is all wonderful.



September 8th, 2006

By Jerry McDonald

Count Randy Moss as among those who find themselves perplexed about the way the Oakland Raiders go about their business.

At least that’s how it sounded Friday afternoon in a Fox Sports Radio interview, when a rambling and occasionally contradictory Moss sounded less than enthusiastic about his organization heading into the season opener on Sept. 11.

Moss, who seldom if ever talks to the local media, talked with host Chris Myers on “The Drive,’’ which agreed to advertise his clothing line.

While Moss said he was eager to get things started, his tone regarding the direction of the Raiders raised a few red flags.

For example:

— “There’s a lot of funny things going on here in this organization, and I try and keep my distance.’’

“Things are so fishy and question mark around here, and the only thing I can do is go out here and practice.’’

(Editor’s note: That’s exactly how he said it. Things are so fishy and question mark around here).

— “I`m just not thrilled with the way things are going around here. I’m thrilled, I’m glad, to have Aaron Brooks as my quarterback. It’s fishy around here, so actually, we’re walking on egg shells around here, man.’’

— “It’s crazy around here, man. It’s something that we’re trying to hold on to, man, and hopefully coach Art can move us in the right direction. I’m trying to stay away from all that stuff like I did last year, and hopefully we can win some games.’’

Sound confusing?

With Moss, that’s not unusual.

There weren’t a lot of specifics as to why Moss thought things were “fishy.’’ He said he was surprised and disappointed by the trade of Doug Gabriel to the New England Patriots. He didn’t want to delve too deeply into Jerry Porter’s exile to the bottom of the depth chart, “because I know what can happen if I put a little bit of my input into it.’’

The admittedly tricky part about listening to Moss is trying to determine exactly what he meant. It’s not easy.

For instance, after the Raiders pre-season game against Minnesota, Moss was portrayed as having `ripped’’ Shell for being taken out in the middle of a drive. The feeling here was he simply wanted to play, much like any other athlete trying to get in a rhythm.

What to make of Friday’s interview? Maybe nothing. No more than a case of Moss being Moss.

Or maybe something, because if there’s any time a player ought to muster up some enthusiasm about the direction of a team, it would be in Week 1 heading into a game on Monday night. The Raiders haven’t lost, don’t have a turnover and have no penalty flags.

One thing was certain. There wasn’t a hint of excitement or electricity, although chances are that the sound of 62,500 crazies will change that come 7:15 p.m. on Monday night.

But it was enough to make you wonder how Moss will feel at 10:15 p.m. if things go badly.

Shell said he didn’t hear the Moss interview and didn’t sound overly concerned, saying the Raiders have a history of letting players say what they want to say.

(Unless, of course, that player happens to request a trade).

“One thing about this organization, everybody has a chance and opportunity to speak their mind,’’ Shell said. “Every individual, every player, so what he’s talking about, I have no idea.’’

With Moss, these brushfires are often extinguished quickly.

Until he gives his next interview.


and ........



http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/...s/15478937.htm

"I'm really kind of disappointed that they let Doug Gabriel go," Moss said of a trade last Saturday that sent Gabriel to the New England Patriots.

Gabriel was the projected starter opposite Moss for the regular-season opener Monday night against the San Diego Chargers. Instead, journeyman receiver Alvis Whitted got the nod over Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry.

"This is not my team, I'm only playing here," Moss said, "so whoever they put out opposite of me, either I'll play with them or I won't play with them."

[The Assassin]

Commitment to Excrement, baby.

Who'd you copy that one from?




The Kansas City Chiefs- 35 Years of Mediocrity

[orcinus]

Commitment to Excrement, baby.

Who'd you copy that one from?




The Kansas City Chiefs- 35 Years of Mediocrity

I think I recognize that. It's the "I know you are, but what am I" method.

Nice work. You'll be at "I'm rubber, you're glue" sometime next week at this pace.

[BSmack]

Commitment to Excrement, baby.

Who'd you copy that one from?

The Kansas City Chiefs- 35 Years of Mediocrity

He can't do that do that to our pledges.

Only we can do that to our pledges.

FTFY

[The Assassin]

Commitment to Excrement, baby.

Who'd you copy that one from?




The Kansas City Chiefs- 35 Years of Mediocrity

I think I recognize that. It's the "I know you are, but what am I" method.

Nice work. You'll be at "I'm rubber, you're glue" sometime next week at this pace.

Its touching to see the Chef girls stick together. you'll have plenty to cry over after watching that shit performance wont ya?

[Raydah James]

Who'd you copy that one from?




The Kansas City Chiefs- 35 Years of Mediocrity

I think I recognize that. It's the "I know you are, but what am I" method.

Nice work. You'll be at "I'm rubber, you're glue" sometime next week at this pace.

Its touching to see the Chef girls stick together. you'll have plenty of time to send donations to trent reeves for ramps to put in around his house after that shit performance, wont ya.

Fixed, and RACK The Assassin.

[The Assassin]

I think I recognize that. It's the "I know you are, but what am I" method.

Nice work. You'll be at "I'm rubber, you're glue" sometime next week at this pace.

Its touching to see the Chef girls stick together. you'll have plenty of time to send donations to trent reeves for ramps to put in around his house after that shit performance, wont ya.

Fixed, and RACK The Assassin.

No sir RACK you!

[poptart]

I want to revisit this thread, and not specifically because Gabriel had a decent game Sunday night.
But .... WTF is Oakland's thinking regarding it's WR group ... ?
Or IS there any thinking ... ?

I don't see the games, but is it not true that Whitted has not been a 'token' starter, but has started and REMAINED on the field ... ?
Why ... ?

I really figured that when Oakland sent Gabriel it meant that Porter & Shell had gotten things ironed out.
Or ... that Morant was ready to be a playah.

Hey, the receivers have been a non-factor to this point because the line hasn't permitted any kind of passing game to even take place, but I can't see Oakland passing Gabriel off for a 5th (and then playing Whitted while Porter rots on the bench) as making any sense at all.


Qbert assured me last season that Oakland HAD in fact hit rock bottom.
Bastard set me up.

[poptart]

I may as well kick my guys some more while they're down.
Or kick Tom Walsh .... or Art for hiring him .... or Al for hiring Art ...
or something.

Fuck it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/ar ... 84530_4360

The Raiders have been blitzed on 33 of their 61 pass plays, according to STATS LLC. But they've utilized few of the tools most teams use to counter that.

They have thrown only two passes to running backs, completing none; have not used a single shotgun formation; have called only one rollout; and have used predominantly five-and seven-step drops that give the defence plenty of time to pressure quarterbacks Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter.


Common sense.
SOMEBODY look into it.

[Flawed Logic]

Yeah, that is what's killing me...anyone can see the problems on the field and any competent coach has some counters at his disposal to make adjustments. We all knew going in their were questions with this O-Line but no one can tell me the Raiders didn't know these problems were worst case scenario bad. You are telling me a Hall of Fame tackle couldn't see the severe problems with the O-line he was coaching? They knew it and yet seem helpless to do anything about it.

As far as the WR situation, I'm with you. I expected this meant Whitted and Morant were ready to step up and be serious threats and that Curry, who we know is a talented player, was healthy. After two disasterous games I'm not sure we can really deduce anything about the receiving corps (other than Gabriel was given up too cheaply).

[Mal]

I've said it before I'll say it again.

The fact that the organization was in such a hurry to dump the WC in favor of this dated piece of shit outdated scheme will always be a mystery to me.

On the other hand I am a firm believer that if you have enough talent you can win with pretty much any scheme.

We don't.

Our line is an abortion, we know this and we are stuck for the season.

Walter, Brooks, Tui....it's wont matter as long as we are so poor protecting the passer.

I'm happy to see Walter get his shot but I fear that his ass will get pounded, he will struggle mightly and be banished to the bench never to be heard from again.

The deep drop by Walter in his own endzone vs. the Ravens just summed up our coaching staff.

Good fucking christ are we trying to lose on purpose?

Pathetic.

Most of us here are old enough to remember Tom Walsh and his first go around. He sucked then and he sucks now.

Jordan had a shitload of catches last season but none this year. Anderson is dropping passes left and right, Moss is a non factor since we cant get more than a second or two before our QB's get hit.

Whitted has some drops as well but he has that great speed doesn't he?

Alvis Whitted barely belongs on an NFL roster yet he starts in Oakland.

What are we doing as a franchise?

Floundering is what it is.

I'm ok with Porter sitting believe it or not. For once we are taking the coaches side over the player.

Morant should see more PT though.

At least the defense is showing some promise.

Dark days in RaiderNation.

[Mal]

I laughed.

[kcdave]

I usually like nothing more than piling on the duh's, but this shit has gotten out of control. Things are so bad right now, tart has his head in the oven, stick of dynamite in his ass, and raiduh fans are lining up to light the fuse. I wouldnt even bring this up, but they are all wearing gasoline jumpsuits ......... and ........

The fucking Browns are favored by 3 .......... to win .......... in the yellow hole, pink hole, white flag hole, or whatever color hole the raiduhs fail to show up in, week after week.

This is bullshit.

raiduh fan, 12th convict on the field, you better bring your ass, your hooch, your weed, guns, knives, and shoe laces this Sunday. Your team, and its ownership basis has given up, but that does not mean you need to. 'duh fan better show up on Sunday, and I mean SHOW THE FUCK UP!

Full on Halloween garb, best costumes ever. But dont stop there, bring turkeys, dressing and cranberry pies. Mix in some fireworks, green neck ties, easter eggs, heart shaped boxes of chocolates, christmas trees, menorahs, and whatever one would use to celebrate Kwanza, Bastile Day, or Ramadan.

You REALLY need this win. Chances are, you may not get another one this year.

[poptart]

Let it be known that because I have taken shots at my team and organization does NOT mean that I have given up on them or the season.
As always, I'm just shootin' straight.

These 'rankings' having Oakland among the very worst teams in the league are what they are.
Hey, I'd rank the O-line as one of the very worst in the league at this point.
Defense and special teams have both been improved this year.

Paul, Andrew Walter might have something to say (or do) about your QB take.


I'm excited about the Cleveland game.