good nfl/police drama unwinding

marinerfan · Post by **marinerfan** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:56 pm

The San Diego Chargers' Steve Foley was shot by an off-duty police officer early Sunday, a San Diego Sheriff's spokesman said.

The shooting came days after the linebacker had been cleared on charges stemming from a scuffle with police in April.

The 30-year-old, nine-year NFL veteran was taken to San Diego's Sharp Memorial Hospital.

Foley was shot at about 3:30 a.m. (6:30 a.m. ET) on a street in the upscale neighborhood where he lived.

The officer involved in the shooting was from the Coronado Police Department, an island town about 20 miles from the scene of the shooting, which took place in the town of Poway, San Diego Sheriff's Lt. Scott Rossall said.

It was not immediately clear why the Coronado officer was in Poway or why, while off duty, the officer would stop Foley's vehicle, Rossall said.

A statement from the Chargers confirmed that Foley was shot.

In a statement, the Coronado police chief confirmed one of his officers was involved in a shooting in Poway, but did not identify the officer.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:15 pm

marinerfan wrote:
It was not immediately clear why the Coronado officer was in Poway or why, while off duty, the officer would stop Foley's vehicle, Rossall said.

Maybe he was a Chief's Fan

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:16 pm

Must be a mis-print...he didn't attend Southern Cal (SuC)

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:17 pm

What a surprise... an NFL playa gets drunk, drives and has contact with the police. How weird is that ....

Cue the white policeman cracks now.....

Rich Fader · Post by **Rich Fader** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:27 pm

Lightweight. Back in the day, if you'd tried to shoot Alex Karras, you'd have just made him mad.

:twisted:

WAR Mongo

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:32 am

FOLEY SHOT BY OFF-DUTY POLICEMAN

San Diego Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was shot multiple times by an off-duty police officer in front of his home early on Sunday morning, the San Diego-Union Tribune reports.

Foley's injuries are not believed to be life-threatening.

According to the report, the police officer began following Foley, who was suspected of drink-driving.

After stopping at a traffic light, the police officer identified himself to Foley and told him to pull over but Foley refused and drove off.

Foley stopped again and got out of the car to approach the officer.

The police officer again identified himself, pulled out a gun and ordered Foley to stop several times.

"However he continued to walk toward the officer, making the statement, 'That's a BB gun'," Lt. Dennis Brugos told the newspaper.

Foley got back into his car and the police officer followed him to a cul-de-sac in Poway, where Foley lives.

At that point, Foley again got of the car and started walking towards the officer, while his female passenger drove the car alongside him.

The officer fired a warning shot into the bushes. The female then revved the car engine and drove at the officer, who was out of his car.

Foley reached into his trousers with his right hand as he approached the officer and the officer fired and hit Foley, who continued to move forward.

The officer fired again and Foley fell to the ground.

Foley was taken to the hospital while the female passenger was taken to the Poway sheriff's station for questioning. No charges have been filed.

This would not be the first run-in with the law for Foley, who signed a three-year contract with the Chargers in March 2005.

In April, Foley was accused of resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public drunkenness. Last week, the San Diego District Attorney's office said it would not pursue charges for that incident.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:34 pm

They should bust that cop back to rookie and send his ass to the range and make him target shoot until he can put 1 or 10 in the center of the body mass target.

Aim for the center, pull the trigger until the threat is over or your gun is empty. The reload and fire again.

Fucking pussy.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:25 pm

When I was a cop, the last thing I ever wanted to do was do anything off duty. The odds are things just won't work out for you. Especially if you've had a cold one. Hell, 95% of the time while off duty I was unarmed.

I went to a Blazers game once and parked behind Holladay Park Hospital as it was free. It was also dark and empty. Four stupids in a Mustang threatened to pound my ass with a tire iron until I unzipped my jacket and they got to look at the business end of a S&W model 59. I told them that I had four rounds for each of them but they climbed back in their car and took off, leaving their muffler behind at the first hospital speed bump.

Rip City

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:54 am

In April, Foley was accused of resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public drunkenness. Last week, the San Diego District Attorney's office said it would not pursue charges for that incident.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the timing of this incident. And I'm total sure the SDPD's spin on it is exactly what happened.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:40 pm

Oh hell no. But I'm sure Calif. is like Oregon...even though your "jurisdiction" may be your own city, or county...but your state certification extends to the whole state. My sister lives in Medford, toward the border of Calif and Oregon, but you'll never see old luth with a Kojak blue light on top of my 'bubble driving around stopping people.

Rip City

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Derron wrote:They should bust that cop back to rookie and send his ass to the range and make him target shoot until he can put 1 or 10 in the center of the body mass target.

Aim for the center, pull the trigger until the threat is over or your gun is empty. The reload and fire again.

Fucking pussy.

Ever tried hitting a moving target under serious stress before? Big difference between shooting at an inanimate object under controlled conditions and real life "Oh Shit" moments. I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target. I'm pretty confident that they shoot better than that at the range.

I came real close to shooting someone last year and it was by far the most stressful couple minutes of my life. My adrenaline was so jacked up that it seemed like a drank about five gallons of Starbucks. Im a 95% shooter at the range and I doubt that I would've done any better than that 20% myself if I had pulled the trigger.

Anyhoo... stay away from conversations in which you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Dirty Harry can shoot his .44 Magnum with one hand and hit a running man right between the eyes from 50 yards on TV. It doesn't really work out like that in real life.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:19 pm

Rack Fu wrote:I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target.

I've seen many real shootouts (on tape) and I would be surprised if it was that high. It's like a bad A-team episode sometimes.

The stat that gets me is that 60% of cops that are shot are shot with their own gun. Amazing.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:43 pm

Rack Fu wrote:Anyhoo... stay away from conversations in which you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Well, that would mean the end of Derron’s posting career.

Sounds good to me.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:07 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target.
I've seen many real shootouts (on tape) and I would be surprised if it was that high. It's like a bad A-team episode sometimes.

The stat that gets me is that 60% of cops that are shot are shot with their own gun. Amazing.

You might be right on the %. It might be closer to 10% and those are usually from distances of less than 20 feet.

Hell, take a look at the DOJ report on that shooting in Puerto Rico last year where one of our HRT teams killed Ojeda. They fired 111 rounds at him and only hit him once. Granted, a different situation than a traffic stop shooting but you can't get any better trained than the FBI HRT guys and they were less than 1% with assault rifles.

The number of officers killed by their own guns is alarming.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:25 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Phillips was arrested on April 14 after he scuffled with a patrol officer in downtown San Diego. The city attorney's office reviewed the case and declined to file charges.

Lawrence Phillips- can't catch a break.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:15 pm

Moving Sale wrote: I've seen many real shootouts (on tape) and I would be surprised if it was that high. It's like a bad A-team episode sometimes.

The stat that gets me is that 60% of cops that are shot are shot with their own gun. Amazing.

What percentage of that 60% were the ones pulling the trigger? Pretty high, I'd guess. Dumbfucks.

Rack Fu wrote:I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target.

Good Christ! Anybody should be able to better than that blindfolded. Especially considering the typical distances involved are less then 7 meters. Jesus H. Fuck, cops shoot more innocent bystanders than criminals do. Nice job making the case that cops shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms, Fu.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:06 pm

Cuda wrote:
Moving Sale wrote: I've seen many real shootouts (on tape) and I would be surprised if it was that high. It's like a bad A-team episode sometimes.

The stat that gets me is that 60% of cops that are shot are shot with their own gun. Amazing.
What percentage of that 60% were the ones pulling the trigger? Pretty high, I'd guess. Dumbfucks.

Rack Fu wrote:I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target.
Good Christ! Anybody should be able to better than that blindfolded. Especially considering the typical distances involved are less then 7 meters. Jesus H. Fuck, cops shoot more innocent bystanders than criminals do. Nice job making the case that cops shouldn't be allowed to carry firearms, Fu.

Fell free to take what I said and cherry pick the part that makes you look like a moron. Please quote some sources about how cops shoot more innocent bystanders than criminals do. I won't hold my breath, Mensa.

Ever tried hitting a moving target under serious stress before? Big difference between shooting at an inanimate object under controlled conditions and real life "Oh Shit" moments. I forgot the exact number but it's something like 20% of shots fired by law enforcement officers ever hit the intended target. I'm pretty confident that they shoot better than that at the range.

My question applies to you as well, dipshit. Tell me all about your vast firearms and tactical training and how you could shoot the balls of a gnat from 100 yards with a Desert Eagle while under severe stress.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:01 am

Rack Fu wrote:Fell free to take what I said and cherry pick the part that makes me look like a moron.

FTFY

My question applies to you as well, dipshit. Tell me all about your vast firearms and tactical training and how you could shoot the balls of a gnat from 100 yards with a Desert Eagle while under severe stress.

No, although I can routinely put 8 shots inside a 6" circle at 100 yards with my M1 Garrand with iron sights. Not all that fucking difficult.

But I'll repeat what I said earlier: ANYbody with any level of awareness higher than that of a bowling ball could close their eyes & blaze away at a man-sized target less than 7 meters away and score better than 20%

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:27 am

Ever tried hitting a moving target under serious stress before? Big difference between shooting at an inanimate object under controlled conditions and real life "Oh Shit" moments.

No shit ????

Big mother fucking nogger UNARMED coming at him, and he wings him. Probably good that way since capping him UNARMED might have been a bit problematic.

Lets look at why the stupid fuck did not call for a uniform to make the stop ?? Assuming he had a cell phone.. I would think he would call the locals for help... but then again maybe not.

I actually think that the gangsters and all need access to the range and some good training. That way, they fucking hit what they want to shoot,a nd stand a better chance of making a solid kill shot.

HRT teams killed Ojeda. They fired 111 rounds at him and only hit him once.

Yea.... says a lot for all that time spent training huh ??

you can't get any better trained than the FBI HRT guys and they were less than 1% with assault rifles.

Maybe you have some inside information or excuse for that sub par percentage ??

Well, that would mean the end of Derron’s posting career.

Sounds good to me.

Fuck no.... as long as I can revert to such epic postings about tuna noodle casserole and other lame ass shit like Gobbles MyCack there will never be an end to posting... I mean after that post I could post about ice melting and get racked.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:38 am

Cuda wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:My question applies to you as well, dipshit. Tell me all about your vast firearms and tactical training and how you could shoot the balls of a gnat from 100 yards with a Desert Eagle while under severe stress.
No, although I can routinely put 8 shots inside a 6" circle at 100 yards with my M1 Garrand with iron sights. Not all that fucking difficult.

But I'll repeat what I said earlier: ANYbody with any level of awareness higher than that of a bowling ball could close their eyes & blaze away at a man-sized target less than 7 meters away and score better than 20%

Are you really this fucking stupid? There is no way that anyone with your limited brain function could possibly survive.

Are you making some sort of comparison between the accuracy of a rifle with that of a handgun (which account for just about all law enforcement shootings)? You must be kidding. Since you're such a marksman, care to take a stab at the reasons why an FBI HRT team armed with the absolute best training and state of the art M4 assault rifles can fire 111 rounds at a guy and only hit him once. They could probably group an entire magazine within 2" to 3" on a target a 100 yards away. I guess they don't have the "level of awareness higher than that of a bowling ball and couldn't close their eyes & blaze away at a man-sized target less than 7 meters away."

What part about the stress of a life & death situation and its effects on accuracy are you not grasping. That 20% figure that I used was in regard to real life shooting incidents in which a law enforcement officer fires at an actual living and breathing human being in what amounts to a kill or be killed situation. It wasn't shooting at a target, twat.

Is your argument that there should be little to no difference between one's accuracy on the range and that in a real life shooting incident? Once again, tell me about your vast firearms and tactical training. Tell me about all those real life shooting incidents in which you shot exactly like you do when you hit the range. Tell me about how you manage to circumvent the physiological effects of severe stress on your motor skills. Tell me what facts you have to refute a couple centuries worth of history and experience of those that know what they're talking about.

Kindly shut the fuck up and get a clue.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:45 am

Derron wrote:
HRT teams killed Ojeda. They fired 111 rounds at him and only hit him once.
Yea.... says a lot for all that time spent training huh ??

you can't get any better trained than the FBI HRT guys and they were less than 1% with assault rifles.
Maybe you have some inside information or excuse for that sub par percentage ??

Another Armchair Dirty Harry.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:26 am

Cuda gets assraped with his own stupidity yet again.

Try researching the effect stress has on the body & why that would have an effect on an officer's accuracy.

Cuda.......TV is not reality......There's a reason cops are trained to aim for the center of mass (rather than "winging" a suspect :roll: ).

Feel free to eject from your hari kari performance any time.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:30 am

I loves me some good Cuda posts, but dayum you are way off on this.

It's easy to say you can shoot the green off of Cinder's teeth at 4 miles with a sawed off .22 when you have time to take aim, relax, drink a bud, pick your nose, say the Pledge of Allegiance, and bet a fitty spot on Penn State to cover against the Twirling Irish this saturday.

Reaction time, Coodes. Yes, 10-20% at face value is rather scary. But I submit to you that you don't eat breakfast 300 yards from Maurice Clarett's pimp who is trained to kill you. I bet you've never stared down the business end of a Mexican made switchblade about to be thrown at your oversized watermelon of a head.

You don't have the luxury of the time to think. All you can do is react. And if you ever did find yourself in a shooting of a police nature, the biggest shock you would have is when they ask you how many shots you took and you say, "2", only to find out the correct answer was 6. It's the difference between shooting range law and hood law. Hell, you even have Derron submitting to your braindead heresy.

Funny, they brought a citizen's group in one time and to a person they all wanted to know why cops don't shoot the gun out of the crook's hand.

Aiming.......what a freaking luxury.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:38 am

Rozy,
Cuda can't handle the truth!

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:53 am

care to take a stab at the reasons why an FBI HRT team armed with the absolute best training and state of the art M4 assault rifles can fire 111 rounds at a guy and only hit him once.

Ahhh... dude... Iasked you that fucking question and now you ask it of someone less qualified ??

Want to take a shot at answering the question ??

I will... because they fucked up. And chances are that probably needed about 20 rounds instead of going full auto and shredding the vicinity of the perp to matchsticks.

There used to be this cop at my gym, and when he wasn't jamming the steriod needle in his ass, he loved to brag about beating the shit out of perps, alledged perps, and other's. He just wanted to cap somebody so bad.....of course he got caught with his cock in some underage Explorer's mouth,a nd that was the end of that.

Another Armchair Dirty Harry.

2 questions asked and no answer, just a reset blast.

I know you G men fancy yourselves way above the rest of the common populace, and that I am sure in your training, in between being taught under cover butt fucking by J Edgar Hoover, and how not to catch bank robbers... that the goverment instructed you to ignore pointed questions that bring into doubt the veracity of ANYTHING a G man does.

Hell... Bonnie and Clyde got hit by more bullets fired by a bunch of drunk hillbilly cops than your fucking trained SERT teams could pour in there.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:01 am

Btw, for the record, I'm with Dio and mvscal on this one. Sumpin' ain't addin' up on that deal. Off duty? At that time of the moring? THAT far away from his area? Oh, HELLLLLL no. And this dude has some kind of history with that dept.? Methinks TVO would love to get his mittens on this shit...

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:04 am

Diogenes wrote: According to the report, the police officer began following Foley, who was suspected of drink-driving.

After stopping at a traffic light, the police officer identified himself to Foley and told him to pull over but Foley refused and drove off.

Foley stopped again and got out of the car to approach the officer.

The police officer again identified himself, pulled out a gun and ordered Foley to stop several times.

"However he continued to walk toward the officer, making the statement, 'That's a BB gun'," Lt. Dennis Brugos told the newspaper.

Foley got back into his car and the police officer followed him to a cul-de-sac in Poway, where Foley lives.

At that point, Foley again got of the car and started walking towards the officer, while his female passenger drove the car alongside him.

The officer fired a warning shot into the bushes. The female then revved the car engine and drove at the officer, who was out of his car.

Foley reached into his trousers with his right hand as he approached the officer and the officer fired and hit Foley, who continued to move forward.

Classic bullshit story. To the letter. The angry female assistant adds a touch of embellishment but this is classic.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:11 am

Derron wrote:
care to take a stab at the reasons why an FBI HRT team armed with the absolute best training and state of the art M4 assault rifles can fire 111 rounds at a guy and only hit him once.

Ahhh... dude... Iasked you that fucking question and now you ask it of someone less qualified ??

Want to take a shot at answering the question ??

I will... because they fucked up. And chances are that probably needed about 20 rounds instead of going full auto and shredding the vicinity of the perp to matchsticks.

There used to be this cop at my gym, and when he wasn't jamming the steriod needle in his ass, he loved to brag about beating the shit out of perps, alledged perps, and other's. He just wanted to cap somebody so bad.....of course he got caught with his cock in some underage Explorer's mouth,a nd that was the end of that.

1. I have already answered the question five times, moron.
2. No one with two seconds of weapons training fires full auto. From the DOJ report: "In
addition, the fact that the agents fired a large number of shots without hitting Ojeda reflected Ojeda’s superior position of cover and elevation and did not
necessarily reflect indiscriminate targeting. We did not find a basis to conclude that any of the agents violated FBI requirements of fire discipline. According to Steve(one of the HRT agents), use of the fully automatic mode by HRT agents is normally a matter of agent discretion, subject to the DOJ Deadly Force Policy and considerations of “fire discipline.” Steve stated that HRT agents normally do not use the automatic mode because it
is easier to maintain fire discipline in semi-automatic mode. No specific instructions were given to the HRT agents regarding the use of fully automatic mode in the Ojeda operation. Each agent who fired his weapon during the incident told us that he only fired in semiautomatic
mode."
3. Your cop story has no bearing on anything remotely resembling the topic at hand.

Derron wrote:
Another Armchair Dirty Harry.
2 questions asked and no answer, just a reset blast.

I know you G men fancy yourselves way above the rest of the common populace, and that I am sure in your training, in between being taught under cover butt fucking by J Edgar Hoover, and how not to catch bank robbers... that the goverment instructed you to ignore pointed questions that bring into doubt the veracity of ANYTHING a G man does.

Hell... Bonnie and Clyde got hit by more bullets fired by a bunch of drunk hillbilly cops than your fucking trained SERT teams could pour in there.

Like I said, the question was already answered. Anyone with a first grader's reading comprehension skills would've figured that out.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:39 pm

"In
addition, the fact that the agents fired a large number of shots without hitting Ojeda reflected Ojeda’s superior position of cover and elevation and did not
necessarily reflect indiscriminate targeting.

Federal goverment spin. I can take that to the bank I am sure. Continue drinking the G man Kool Aid. I can see you spinning the party line here.

2. No one with two seconds of weapons training fires full auto.

No shit ???? Rack me for pushing another one of your G man buttons. Hook, line and the fucking sinker.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:24 pm

R-Jack wrote:
rozy wrote:Btw, for the record, I'm with Dio and mvscal on this one. Sumpin' ain't addin' up on that deal. Off duty? At that time of the moring? THAT far away from his area? Oh, HELLLLLL no. And this dude has some kind of history with that dept.? Methinks TVO would love to get his mittens on this shit...
I'm thinkin it's the work of Raider Fan. The only real question is if he urinated on Foley as well.

Depends on if he was wearing a Chargers lid.

sin

CMike

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:24 pm

Preliminary reports say the officer called for back up. If Foley really felt this guy wasn't really a police officer he should have had his girlfriend drive to a public location while calling 911. That's would I would do, anyway. Foley is a punk and his girlfriend is in jail. Meanwhile the young cop is in trouble over it.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:07 pm

BSmack wrote:Depends on if he was wearing a Chargers lid.

sin

CMike

BWAHAHAHHAA. I didn't see it pissed on, but I saw CMike come out of the Raider bathroom minus a hat.

Rip City

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:08 pm

Officer who shot Foley on force only one year
Associated Press
SAN DIEGO – An off-duty Coronado police officer who shot Chargers linebacker Steve Foley was identified Tuesday as Aaron Mansker, who has been with the force since August 2005.

San Diego County Sheriff’s Lt. Dennis Brugos, who is handling the shooting investigation, said he had no information on Mansker’s background, prior employment, race, age or disciplinary history.

Capt. Glenn Revell, the sheriff’s department spokesman, said most of that information was protected by privacy laws.

Coronado police spokeswoman Leah Corbin said Mansker was put on paid administrative leave, but she couldn’t release any other details about Mansker. “That’s out of our hands,” she said, saying the sheriff’s department was releasing any information.

Mansker was on his way home from work when the confrontation leading to the shooting occurred early Sunday, Brugos said.

According to the sheriff’s department, Mansker followed a suspected drunken driver weaving in and out of freeway traffic up to 90 mph. Authorities said the driver nearly collided with several other vehicles.

Foley was shot near his home in Poway, an upscale San Diego suburb.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgaz ... 450608.htm

Interesting how there aren't any privacy laws covering the shooting victim in this case, who has yet to be charged with any crime...

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:11 pm

If Foley really felt this guy wasn't really a police officer he should have had his girlfriend drive to a public location while calling 911. That's would I would do, anyway.

So if you're out driving completely wasted and you're big and mean enough to kick someone's
ass who's following you around.

You're gonna call in to the police and grab a nifty DWI for the effort?............

Sure you will............

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:18 pm

Brugos said Tuesday that while Mansker was wearing his police badge on the right side of his belt, he didn't believe he showed it to Foley from his car.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/ ... fln06.html

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:18 pm

Y2K wrote:
If Foley really felt this guy wasn't really a police officer he should have had his girlfriend drive to a public location while calling 911. That's would I would do, anyway.

So if you're out driving completely wasted and you're big and mean enough to kick someone's
ass who's following you around.

You're gonna call in to the police and grab a nifty DWI for the effort?............

Sure you will............

Yessir. You get my point.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:23 pm

mvscal wrote:
Y2K wrote:So if you're out driving completely wasted
Who told you that?

That was a hypothetical.... Foley's deal would "allegedly"

Something doesn't seem right in the policemans story...

but who knows

The Whistle Is Screaming · Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:24 pm

mvscal wrote:
Y2K wrote:So if you're out driving completely wasted
Who told you that?

Maybe it was Tawana.

trev · Post by **trev** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:25 pm

mvscal wrote:
Y2K wrote:So if you're out driving completely wasted
Who told you that?

Who told him what? That Foley was wasted? His common sense.

I guarantee Foley wasn't in his right mind.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:24 pm

Rack Fu wrote:Are you making some sort of comparison between the accuracy of a rifle with that of a handgun (which account for just about all law enforcement shootings)?

No, dumbfuck, you're comparing them.

Unless my math is way off, 7 meters (the average distance in police-related firefights) is something like 93 meters closer than 100 meters. It isn't unreasonable to expect the ratio of hits to shots fired to increase as distance decreases, is it?

Since you're such a marksman, care to take a stab at the reasons why an FBI HRT team armed with the absolute best training and state of the art M4 assault rifles can fire 111 rounds at a guy and only hit him once. They could probably group an entire magazine within 2" to 3" on a target a 100 yards away. I guess they don't have the "level of awareness higher than that of a bowling ball and couldn't close their eyes & blaze away at a man-sized target less than 7 meters away."

There you go equating 100 yards with 7 meters again. Only a certified dumbfuck- which would be you- or an incompetent FBI agent- whick would also be you- could maintain the claim that hitting a target farther away is easier than one that's close enough to spit at.

What part about the stress of a life & death situation and its effects on accuracy are you not grasping. That 20% figure that I used was in regard to real life shooting incidents in which a law enforcement officer fires at an actual living and breathing human being in what amounts to a kill or be killed situation. It wasn't shooting at a target, twat.

ALL shooting is "shooting at a target" dumbass, unless you're shooting up into the air at an Afghan wedding.

Is your argument that there should be little to no difference between one's accuracy on the range and that in a real life shooting incident?

No, I'm saying that a dropoff of 80% shouldn't be considered acceptable. Yet it apparently is.

Once again, tell me about your vast firearms and tactical training. Tell me about all those real life shooting incidents in which you shot exactly like you do when you hit the range. Tell me about how you manage to circumvent the physiological effects of severe stress on your motor skills. Tell me what facts you have to refute a couple centuries worth of history and experience of those that know what they're talking about.

Fact is, dipshit, that poorly trained homeowners defending their lives & property statistically have much better hit ratio than highly trained cops do. You can't say they're under any less "life & death stress" than the cops are. Obviously the cops training is deficient in some way. It can't be in the actual mechanics of shooting, so it has to be something else. Maybe it's because they have it drilled into them since day 1 of cop school just how much fucking trouble they're going to be in if they actually shoot a bad guy; how they're going to be 2nd guessed & 3rd & 4th guessed by every motherfucker in the world and god, G0d & God help them if the shitbag they shoot is a minority because they'll probably be fired and maybe even do prison time no matter how right they were to shoot.

This "couple centuries" of experience you're talking about is a load of horseshit too- 20% hit ratios are a relatively new thingie. 2 centuries ago, the police weren't even fucking armed, and the available firearms weren't very reliable, but by all means, feel free to go on ignoring common sense and keep reminding yourself what a big hero you are for shitting your pants before pulling the trigger on some shitbag 20 ft away from you.

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