T1B

PSU
UDub
Whoever is playing a$m

Nicholls State
Troy

I have to admit it, I want OSU to beat UT. I'd like to see a REALLY big game set up for PSU/OSU a few weeks down the road.

OSU
EMU

OSU
Minnesota
Washington

Big-time

tOSU
Minn.
UCF
Arizona
Oregon

Indiana

that's it.

1. OSU 45
15. PSU
19. OKA
21. IDA
26. STN
28. LSU
33. MIN
36. TUL
46. NEV
48. ORU

Ohio State
Penn State
Minnesota
Zona

rack JayDuck

Colorado
Boise State
Fresno State
Idaho

I'm gonna have to go with:

Nicholls State
Penn State
Tulsa
Minnesota
Eastern Michigan
Syracuse
Rice


I may have to add to this later. :wink:

WolverineSteve wrote:OSU
EMU

You might be the first Michigan fan that admitted to rooting for tOSU. You should be proud, if you were gay this would be your coming out party.

JayDuck wrote:1. OSU 45
15. PSU
19. OKA
21. IDA
26. STN
28. LSU
33. MIN
36. TUL
46. NEV
48. ORU

Finally someone with their priorities in order. ;)

Jsc810 wrote:And also rooting for whoever plays the following teams, because they are ranked ahead of LSU:
1 Ohio St.
2 Texas

Interesting...but I don't think they can both lose.

Jsc810 wrote:This week I'm rooting for whoever plays:

ND (quit acting like you're unique

At the risk of playing the myopian, I'll bite on this and say that ND is unique among 1-A schools. Consider the following:

• Enrollment: ND doesn't have the smallest enrollment in 1-A, but with less than 10,000 undergrads, we're probably among the bottom 20. And I would submit that any school with even a remotely comparable football tradition to ND has a much larger student body.
• Until 1970, ND had a no bowl games policy.
• There are no jock dorms at ND. The varsity athletes live, eat and study (and yes, they do study) with the regular students.
• Until relatively recently, ND had a strict no-redshirting rule, and even now, we have one of the stricter redshirting policies in the country. In order to get a fifth year at ND, you have to graduate from ND in four and be accepted at a graduate school for your fifth year.

Still want to say that ND is not unique?

and join a conference;

Independence is as important a part of ND's tradition as membership in the Big Ten is to Ohio State's or Michigan's tradition. Or membership in the SEC is to LSU's "tradition." :P

doesn't deserve preferential BCS treatment)

Doesn't get preferential BCS treatment.

Vito Corleone wrote:

WolverineSteve wrote:OSU
EMU

You might be the first Michigan fan that admitted to rooting for tOSU. You should be proud, if you were gay this would be your coming out party.

Actually a few UM'ers rooted for OSU in a similar thread last year.

You jealous twat.

Terry in Crapchester wrote: [*]Enrollment: ND doesn't have the smallest enrollment in 1-A, but with less than 10,000 undergrads, we're probably among the bottom 20. And I would submit that any school with even a remotely comparable football tradition to ND has a much larger student body.

Holy crap there are high schools in Texas that have almost as many students as ND. I haven't seen any lists lately but Plano used to have 6800 students.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

doesn't deserve preferential BCS treatment)

Doesn't get preferential BCS treatment.

Don't you get a share of BCS revenue the way each team in a Conference does, even if you do not play in a BCS game?

MuchoBulls wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

doesn't deserve preferential BCS treatment)

Doesn't get preferential BCS treatment.

Don't you get a share of BCS revenue the way each team in a Conference does, even if you do not play in a BCS game?

We do get $1 million if we don't make the BCS. I was referring to preferential treatment with respect to selection for the BCS.

We get in if we're Top 8. A team from a non-BCS conference gets in if they're Top 12, or Top 16 if a team receiving an automatic bid is ranked lower.

I agree, provided they can still manage to continue their annual tilt with USC.

JayDuck wrote:1. OSU 45
15. PSU
19. OKA
21. IDA
26. STN
28. LSU
33. MIN
36. TUL
46. NEV
48. ORU

8.5 Variation 5 1st Place












ahem...

8 variation 5 Second Place

Besides UNLV?


Penn St because I hate Notre Dame and my wife is a PSU alumni. So its the smart thing to do.

Jsc810 wrote:Look at the top of this page. You will see logos for conferences, and then one school. Guess which school.

And then there is this.

Notre Dame will automatically qualify for a BCS berth if it finishes in the top eight in the BCS standings. Previously, Notre Dame qualified if it (1) finished in the top six or (2) either finished in the top ten or won nine or more games and a team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference or the Western Athletic Conference finished in the top six of the BCS standings.

But there is also this:

The champions of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in one of the participating bowls after the 2006 and 2007 regular seasons.

and this:

The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:

A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,

B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

Sorry, JSC, but one of the twenty or so schools you root for (TCU) actually has an easier path to the BCS than does ND.

ND has a place in history, but it is time for it to live in the present, in other words, join a conference.

I'll get around to starting a thread about this in the off-season. Right now, there are too many other things to discuss.

If the BCS conferences were that concerned about Notre Dame joining a conference they should flex their muscle and not allow schools in their conferences to play Notre Dame until Notre Dame joins a conference. You think NBC would pony up the money for the Notre dame home schedule if they knew all they were going to air was games vs Middle Tennessee State, Akron, Florida Atlantic and Louisiana Monroe?.
take away Notre Dames big pay days and they will need to join a conference

One other thing...

The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either

Any of those teams with ONE loss will not be in the top 12 or 16. ND can have 2 losses and be in the top 8 due to media bias. That's the truth...

Jsc810 wrote:Horsefeathers. We're both lawyers, and should be able to see that there are so many loopholes and exceptions in the current BCS system. Obviously, the BCS was written by lawyers.

True, but:

ND gets in if they're Top 8. TCU gets in if they're Top 12, or Top 16, if a team with an automatic bid is ranked lower. If the current rules applies last year, both would have been in. The difference was that ND was #6 and TCU was #15.

There should be a playoff.

No argument there.

But absent that, treat ND like everyone else. Let them be eligible for an at large berth, or if they join a conference, one of the automatic berths.

The only real concession ND gets now is that if they finish Top 8, they're guaranteed in. But truth be told, if the BCS were a pure meritocracy, ND would be in anyway if they were in the Top 8. What the concession actually involves is the non-BCS schools -- a non-BCS school that finishes in the Top 12, or Top 16 and ranked ahead of a team with an automatic bid, can't knock ND out of the BCS if ND is Top 8, although they could knock out a school in a BCS conference.

And for the record, again, there are three teams I root for: TCU, where I played lacrosse and graduated from; LSU, where I attended and now live nearby; and Miami, where I used to live and where my mother now lives.

I know, I was just giving you shit. But some of us only root for one school. Just sayin'.

Jsc810 wrote:And for the record, again, there are three teams I root for: TCU, where I played lacrosse and graduated from; LSU, where I attended and now live nearby; and Miami, where I used to live and where my mother now lives.

That's pretty shitty, but at least you aren't m2.

Kal and whoever beats Kal (long fuckin list)

Going back to JSC's fixation on ND joining a conference, let's be honest: if it's all about the path of least resistance to the BCS for ND, the answer isn't continued independence. The answer would be ND joining the Big East.

If ND joined the Big East, they'd be eligible for an automatic bid in addition to the four at-large spots. And winning the automatic bid would come down to two, maybe three, games per season: West Virginia, Louisville and maybe Pitt. Win those, and ND would be looking at a BCS bid pretty much no matter what else happened. And let's not forget, ND already plays in the Big East in most sports anyway, so it's not quite as though joining the Big East would be absolutely preposterous if ND decided to join a conference. Not to mention that the Big East would almost certainly provide certain financial incentives to ND that the Big Ten would not, such as the NBC contract.

Seems to me that some people just plain hate ND, and some try to focus on some of the obvious differences attendant to ND to justify that hate. Change those, and they'll find something else.

have always had an interest in penn st


been a huge paterno groupie since i was young. coke bottle glasses made me hotttttttttttt.




respect the guy, and always keep an eye on the team and how they are doing. i still have a bunch of penn st shirts and sweatshirts. hidden under my Mizzou stuff(3-5 in conference, woohooo, go tigers)

Vito Corleone wrote:

WolverineSteve wrote:OSU
EMU

You might be the first Michigan fan that admitted to rooting for tOSU.

Nah, those guys suck each other off when they're not playing each other.

At least on this board.

1. BYE

Penn State
Central Michigan
Oklahoma (so we can crush their hopes next week)

Terry in Crapchester wrote:True, but:

ND gets in if they're Top 8. TCU gets in if they're Top 12, or Top 16, if a team with an automatic bid is ranked lower. If the current rules applies last year, both would have been in. The difference was that ND was #6 and TCU was #15.

Yeah, but this system is still pretty heavily weighted in ND's favor. ND can finish in the top 8 a helluva lot easier than TCU can finish in the top 12. They'd have to be undefeated to do so. Don't believe me? Look at the 2005 results.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:True, but:

ND gets in if they're Top 8. TCU gets in if they're Top 12, or Top 16, if a team with an automatic bid is ranked lower. If the current rules applies last year, both would have been in. The difference was that ND was #6 and TCU was #15.

Yeah, but this system is still pretty heavily weighted in ND's favor. ND can finish in the top 8 a helluva lot easier than TCU can finish in the top 12. They'd have to be undefeated to do so. Don't believe me? Look at the 2005 results.

TCU finished #15 last year with one loss. Because Florida State got the ACC's automatic bid, that would have been good enough for TCU to get a BCS at-large bid if the new rules had been in place last year.

Louisville finished in the Top 12 in '04, and Miami of Ohio did in '03, and IIRC, both had one loss (in fairness, in Louisville's case, that wouldn't have translated into a guaranteed BCS at-large bid, as only one team can get that under the new rules, and it goes to the highest-ranked team meeting all the criteria).

Louisville finished in the Top 12 in '04, and Miami of Ohio did in '03

Yep, it certainly does happen on an occasion.

But you really think it's easier for a "mid major" type of team to finish in the top 12, than it is for ND to finish in the top 8?

If we were to place a bet on this, I'd pretty confidently take ND to finish in the top 8, and I'd give you the rest of the field of "mid majors" for just one to finish in the top 12. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not nearly as commonplace.

Remember, we're talking about what's more feasible, more possible, etc.

Careful, Mgo, that sounds dangerously close to....conjecture!!

:-)

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:If we were to place a bet on this, I'd pretty confidently take ND to finish in the top 8, and I'd give you the rest of the field of "mid majors" for just one to finish in the top 12. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not nearly as commonplace.

Like anything else, it's cyclical. Looking ahead, and certainly this year, ND seems more likely to finish in the Top 8 than any mid-major does of finishing in the Top 12. Look back within the history of the BCS, however, and that's not the case.

Since the BCS was implemented, ND has finished in the Top 8 only once -- last season. The following, however, is a list of mid-majors who would have qualified for the BCS under the system currently in place:

1998: Tulane (#10)
1999: Marshall (#12)
2000: TCU (#14, and finished ahead of Purdue, who won the Big Ten and was unranked. BCS rankings at the time extended only to the Top 15.)
2001: None
2002: None
2003: Miami of Ohio (#10)
2004: Utah (#6), Boise State (#7), and Louisville (#9) all met the criteria for a guaranteed at-large bid. Since no more than one team can get it in a given year, Utah would have gotten it as the highest ranked of these teams.
2005: TCU (#15, and finished ahead of Florida State, the ACC champion, at #22).

Remember, we're talking about what's more feasible, more possible, etc.

Right, but that depends on the cycle we're in at a given time. Of course, during seven of the eight years mentioned above, ND was coached by one of two coaches who are both regarded as failures based on their stints at ND.