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Disney's ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT propaganda spin/hit/smear mockudrama?

Gee, I wonder who funded/wrote/greenlighted this Orwellian twist of reality.

Sure, Bubba's getting blown--his first concern--while good clear neocon zealots are cramped and hobbled in their efforts to protect Americans, etc.

RIGHT NOW right-wing radio desk-slapping, blatherer, Rusp Limpdick is readying his morning gaseous spurts of neocon jabber. Ready? Are you being filled?

Wakey Wake

not watching
won't watch
watching baseball tonight instead of any crap the already written off President is spewing.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Who's watching... this shit thread.. posted both here and at .net?

We are!!


Sin,
Nobody

Why watch? The bullies on the Left wont let the truth be seen anyway. I'll wait till the real version becomes available on the internet.

Whiny Twat wrote:Why watch? The bullies on the Left wont let the truth be seen anyway.

You mean those bullies who are saying things like "I was there. It happened nothing like this. Why are you producing learning materials for schools that are deliberate lies"?

Damned bullies. Them and their "I was there so I can tell you these are fabrications".

Bizzarofelice wrote:

Whiny Twat wrote:Why watch? The bullies on the Left wont let the truth be seen anyway.

You mean those bullies who are saying things like "I was there. It happened nothing like this. Why are you producing learning materials for schools that are deliberate lies"?

Damned bullies. Them and their "I was there so I can tell you these are fabrications".

So because they say it didn't happen that way you believe them? They are all politicians. I don't believe them right or left.....

Cicero wrote:I'll wait till the real version becomes available on the internet.

You're occasionally funny...


Always when you're trying to sound intelligent.

Better question: If LTS B TRDS set up a webcam and did like this guy...

R. Budd Dwyer

...how many of you would watch?

WAR shit trolls offing themselves

Dinsdale wrote:

Cicero wrote:I'll wait till the real version becomes available on the internet.

You're occasionally funny...


Always when you're trying to sound intelligent.

The original "docudrama" was mailed to certain people in the press, as well as private screenings were held. The original version will be available. Do I need to make myself any clearer?

Simply shocking that Crown/Sissyroo/Twat Bitch is proud member of the blame America first crowd.

Sincerely,

No it isn't.

Cicero wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:


You're occasionally funny...


Always when you're trying to sound intelligent.

The original "docudrama" was mailed to certain people in the press, as well as private screenings were held.

Wow, Crown... I always thought Duke was a fairly prestigious school. It appears your B.A. in English is total bullshit, huh?

Cicero wrote:Do I need to make myself any clearer?

No. It's crystal clear. You are at your funniest when flubbing yet another attempt at intelligence.

RadioFan wrote:Simply shocking that Crown/Sissyroo/Twat Bitch is proud member of the blame America first crowd.

Sincerely,

No it isn't.

I'm def not in the blame America crowd. I just hate how the Dems dont want to take any responsibility for 9/11.

Ucant.#Ÿ³ wrote:

Cicero wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:


You're occasionally funny...


Always when you're trying to sound intelligent.

The original "docudrama" was mailed to certain people in the press, as well as private screenings were held.

Wow, Crown... I always thought Duke was a fairly prestigious school. It appears your B.A. in English is total bullshit, huh?

Crown v2.0 claims to be an Free Shoes University grad. And judging by his prose, I believe him.

Yeah, it's such an awful school. If this was English class, trust me I would be more careful.

Cicero wrote:I'm def not in the blame America crowd. I just hate how the Dems dont want to take any responsibility for 9/11.

Can you name me one politician... ever... who willingly shouldered the blame for... anything?

Duke will give any idiot a Master's in Political Science these days, huh?

mvscal wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:

Whiny Twat wrote:Why watch? The bullies on the Left wont let the truth be seen anyway.

You mean those bullies who are saying things like "I was there. It happened nothing like this. Why are you producing learning materials for schools that are deliberate lies"?

Damned bullies. Them and their "I was there so I can tell you these are fabrications".

Yes, of course. People who fuck up are always completely honest and forthcoming about their own incompetence.

We all know Bubba Jeff would never lie and if you can't trust a guy who got caught stealing and destroying classified documents out of the National Archives...who can you trust?

Word is the Bush admin comes off looking equally incompetent in part 2.

Oh, but that part will be true to life...

mvscal wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote:

Whiny Twat wrote:Why watch? The bullies on the Left wont let the truth be seen anyway.

You mean those bullies who are saying things like "I was there. It happened nothing like this. Why are you producing learning materials for schools that are deliberate lies"?

Damned bullies. Them and their "I was there so I can tell you these are fabrications".

Yes, of course. People who fuck up are always completely honest and forthcoming about their own incompetence.

We all know Bubba Jeff would never lie and if you can't trust a guy who got caught stealing and destroying classified documents out of the National Archives...who can you trust?

Hey, don't forget whitewater. That cast-iron alegation hasn't seen the light of day for a long time. The people MUST be told the truth - MVSCAL-style

Cuda wrote:

mvscal wrote:

Bizzarofelice wrote: You mean those bullies who are saying things like "I was there. It happened nothing like this. Why are you producing learning materials for schools that are deliberate lies"?

Damned bullies. Them and their "I was there so I can tell you these are fabrications".

Yes, of course. People who fuck up are always completely honest and forthcoming about their own incompetence.

We all know Bubba Jeff would never lie and if you can't trust a guy who got caught stealing and destroying classified documents out of the National Archives...who can you trust?

Word is the Bush admin comes off looking equally incompetent in part 2.

Oh, but that part will be true to life...

Well, if they show the briefing report with the inch-high block letters saying Bin Ladin To Attack With Hijacked Jets being ignored as it slides across Condi's desk, then YES, it will be accurate at least to that degree. And if they show the invited Taliban leaders being welcomed to Texas in 2000, well that will be accurate and intersting too. And if they show Secy Of Transportation Norm Mineta standing by in horror in the bunker with Cheney as the veep orders the Stand down to remain in effect as the incoming pentagon-bound jet comes within 50 miles.....thirty miles...twenty miles...., well this will be accurate (as Mineta has clearly testified to the fact), very interesting, and really sign of hope for our butt-fucked republic--and I'll gladly recant my criticisms.

They should have let Micheal Moore do the show so it could be cast as brilliance mixed with artistic freedoms.

Glad you're interested, and not just swallowing Limpdick's load.

But let's not take my word for it, let's hear from Barbara Bodine, former U.S. ambassador to Yemen from 1997-2001. She is a visiting scholar at MIT's Center for International Studies:



"On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Americans — and the world — froze, saddened and angry. Five years later, we stop to remember those we lost and those who have sacrificed in our defense since, and to reflect on what we must learn. History will define us not by the events of that day but by who we choose to become as a result.

Regrettably, ABC has chosen not to document but to dramatize this most critical of times. Its miniseries, "The Path to 9/11," opts for fiction when fact is needed and chooses mythmaking when the candor of history is called for. The 9/11 commission report tells the story with clear-eyed honesty, precision and studious impartiality. The ABC drama does not. The 9/11 commission spent hours interviewing virtually everyone connected not just with the events of that day but those involved in counter-terrorism over 25 years — Republican as well as Democrat. ABC did not.

Many senior officials from President Clinton's administration, along with key members of the 9/11 commission, have publicly challenged the distortions and inaccuracies of "The Path to 9/11." From the part of the story I know firsthand, ABC has done the American people a disservice. Drama may be more profitable than reality, but at what cost to our national history?

One of the myths perpetuated by ABC played out in the steamy port city of Aden, Yemen, in October 2000, using an FBI agent out of New York, John O'Neill, and the U.S. ambassador to that country. According to the mythmakers, a battle ensued between a cop obsessed with tracking down Osama bin Laden and a bureaucrat more concerned with the feelings of the host government than the fate of Americans and the realities of terrorism. I know this is false. I was there. I was the ambassador.

I am not here to either defend or attack O'Neill. He was a complex man. But what happened after Al Qaeda's attack on the U.S. destroyer Cole was a complex story. Within hours, our embassy in Sana, Yemen, received support from Washington, U.S. military commands in the region and neighboring U.S. embassies. Within days, our presence in Aden went from zero to more than 300 people from the Navy, Marines, the intelligence community, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, the FBI, the State Department and my embassy. We had a clear and common goal: honor those killed by finding those guilty.

As ambassador, I had four missions: recover the Cole and her crew; provide security for the burgeoning U.S. presence in Aden; establish a joint Yemeni-American criminal investigation, as agreed between the president of Yemen and FBI Director Louis Freeh; and maintain the Yemeni-American relationship.

These tasks were not sequential but deeply interdependent. The recovery of the ship and its crew was the most urgent. The Cole was also a crime scene, and crew members were witnesses. Recovery efforts had to be coordinated with naval investigators and the FBI. With an unsettled threat, I could not allow either to go forward without rigorous security at the harbor and at our base of operations. The least quantifiable of the four mandates was our relationship with the Yemeni authorities. Diplomatic relations are not an end in themselves but rather provide a context within which we are able to operate — or not. Our cooperative relationship enabled the recovery, the security and the investigation to move forward, to work through the tensions, disagreements and conflicts that naturally arose. The attack on the Cole was a hostile act, but this was not a hostile government or a hostile people. It was my job to make sure everyone involved understood that our actions must not subvert our goals.

The realities of a U.S. investigative style inevitably collided headlong with the limited capabilities of Yemen. The Yemenis knew Aden and its people but lacked technical and professional competence; the FBI had the forensic and technical capability but could not operate "on the street" in Aden. The friction, the suspicion, the miscommunication between the two could not, however, be allowed to derail a successful criminal investigation of the attack, its roots in Yemen and its links to other attacks against Americans around the world. Yemen's subsequent willingness to cooperate with us in the war on terrorism confirms the value of working with it — not seeing it as the enemy.

In the aftermath of the attack on the Cole, the stakes were high. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell's first lesson of leadership is that "being responsible sometimes means pissing people off." It's inevitable, if you are honorable. The job of the ambassador is to make the tough calls. To paraphrase a fellow Missourian, the buck stopped on my desk."


And here's some more folks directly involved who think it's BULLSHIT:

Jamie S. Gorelick, a member of the 9/11 commission and a deputy attorney general under Clinton, wrote Iger yesterday: "I do have a problem if you make claims that the program is based upon the findings of the 9/11 Commission Report when the actors, scenes and statements in the series are not found in—and, indeed, are contradicted by—our findings."
What has been alleged about this film? According to Gorelick, important scenes “contradict” the findings of the 9/11 commission. But then, Jesse McKinley found it easy to report the charges in Wednesday’s Times, too:

Some critics—including Richard A. Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar—question a scene that depicts several American military officers on the ground in Afghanistan...

''It didn't happen,'' Mr. Clarke said. ''There were no troops in Afghanistan about to snatch bin Laden. There were no C.I.A. personnel about to snatch bin Laden. It's utterly invented.'' Mr. Clarke, an on-air consultant to ABC News, said he was particularly shocked by a scene in which it seemed Clinton officials simply hung up the phone on an agent awaiting orders in the field.

''It's 180 degrees from what happened,'' he said. ''So, yeah, I think you would have to describe that as deeply flawed.”
According to Clarke, one key scene is “utterly invented”—“180 degrees from what happened.” According to Gorelick, scenes in the film “are contradicted by” the official report.


Stay interested, it's really your only hope!

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Glad you're interested, and not just swallowing Limpdick's load.

But let's not take my word for it, let's hear from Barbara Bodine, former U.S. ambassador to Yemen from 1997-2001.!

Then we can ask Binky, the glove puppet, who is someone just as well informed.

I confess I haven't been watching. During last night's show, did Richard Clarke at any point complain about people taking his stapler?

:twisted:

Rich Fader wrote: During last night's show, did Richard Clarke at any point complain about people taking his stapler?

It was edited out

88 wrote:Imagine all of lower Manhattan leveled and unlivable for 100 years. That is the future reality we face

Tell you what....

Go buy a computer monitor that's 300 feet wide by 200 feet tall, and then I'll post the rolleyes.

88 wrote:Imagine all of lower Manhattan leveled and unlivable for 100 years.

Imagine Islam becoming as dead as Baal worship.

88 has properly swallowed....ALL OF IT!!...okay, now huddle in fear, worry about ammonium nitrate, and (pssst..) Move To The Right (especially in early November!!)..


Okay, the most sophisticated piece of manipulative propaganda in history has just been rolled into your head.

WHY is it a piece ofTOTAL BULLSHIT?

Because it carefully slipped the picture of CHENEY sitting there earnestly concerned--despite being impotent to intervene--as the pentagon was attacked.

BULLSHIT

This is Norman Mineta's 9/11 Commision testimony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU

Watch and listen for yourself as he describes the ASTONISHING OUTRIGHT TREASON of Cheney as the vile veep tells the military officer that "the order stands" concerning NOT INTERCEPTING the approaching flight 77.

DEAL WITH THIS

The 9/11 commission didn't. It DID NOT INCLUDE Mineta's testimony on this matter in its official report.

The ABC/Disney propaganda piece was well-made, carefully and shrewdly offered, and....right now...Cheney and Condi and the Chimp, and their original leader, Rummy, are holding their collective breath, and slyly smirking in their depraved confidence that YOU will not hear or somehow understand the honest and patriotic testimony of Norman Mineta.

That's what this whole piece of ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT has been aimed at.

WAKEY WAKE!!!

NOW

88 wrote:The thing is, the 9-11 attacks are going to be really minor by comparison to future attacks. If a nuke ever gets in Islamic radical hands, it will go off in one of our cities and cause destruction on a scale that is incomprehensible. Imagine all of lower Manhattan leveled and unlivable for 100 years. That is the future reality we face if we fail to effectively deal with this problem now.

This is right.
The scum we are fighting against have NO problem slaughtering innocent citizens.
In fact, they WANT that.
The more the better.

And yet we go entirely our of our way to avoid the killing of innocents, and our media goes ape-shit any time an 'innocent' muslim gets taken out.

If America doesn't get over it's complex about being the bad guy it's gonna go bye bye.


Do unto them before they do unto you.

At some point it's going to come down to that for this country.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Watch and listen for yourself as he describes the ASTONISHING OUTRIGHT TREASON of Cheney as the vile veep tells the military officer that "the order stands" concerning NOT INTERCEPTING the approaching flight 77.

88 wrote:And, if you read further on the page I linked, just past Mineta's testimony, you will find that the fighter jets got airborne on 9:35 a.m., 105 miles away from the Pentagon, with no idea where Flight 77 was heading, two minutes before the impact occurred. They had no chance to intercept and shoot down Flight 77. You are pathetic.

Isn't this precious...Moron vs. Moron.


What next...debating why the rain in Spain stays mainly in the plains?

But for to and for to it?

Seriously, are you guys trying to make M2 sound coherent after one of his mead and meth binges?


Couple questions(please treat them as rhetorical) --

What the fuck did you expect Cheney(as vile as he is) to do about it?

Hello? American civilians?

Hello?

Uhm...only the President can authorize any sort of military action against Amewrican citizens in the name of the "greater good."

Which brings up the next question --

Chimp decided it was more important to work on his image and keep reading stories about the billy goats than to make himself available to give these orders, should it become necessary.

So, that in mind -- does it bother some of you tards that Dinsdale is more familiar with the President's job than the President is? Do you dweebs feel any remorse for voting in someone who is clearly incompetent to do the most important job in the world...and then re-elect him after he CLEARLY proved his incompetence by placing his PR needs ahead of that of the People of the United States of America?

Nobody else could have authorized the shooting down of any subsequent hijacked airliners. Not sure what drivel that stupid show(or any of the other alarmist propaganda) is bullshitting you with, but it's true. So, ask yourself -- is the Bush Cartel looking out for your better interest? Was trying to look cool and smooth for little children more important than performing his duty as CiC at the most important moment in decades?

It's very fortunate that there weren't more hijackings that morning(sin, Marcus), since the rest of the government would have been powerless to stop it, but some kids would have at least heard a good fairy tale out of the deal.

Distgusting incomptetence.

Sudden Sam wrote:Haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

"Do you have any men with balls?" Isn't that the gist of what this all comes down to? Do we have anyone in this country who is more concerned with our nation's security than with being re-elected? Anyone exist whose main focus is not self-preservation? Someone who considers the fate of this country before his own personal political fate?

That person IS George W. Bush.

Sudden Sam wrote: No, we don't. Or, rather, the people who do think that way are powerless. We are victims of our system. Everyone in power is paralyzed by the need to continue their political career. "Golly gee...should we send missiles in? I dunno...the polls say that if I do that, I'll lose votes in Iowa."

THAT person is William Jefferson Clinton.

Sudden Sam wrote:We need leaders with balls. Not Bush, not Clinton, not Rice, etc.

You'll never see it, if you don't see it now...

Fat Bones wrote: You'll never see it, if you don't see it now...

You trying to tell me that Condi Rice has balls?

Mikey wrote:

Fat Bones wrote: You'll never see it, if you don't see it now...

You trying to tell me that Condi Rice has balls?

No- that she don't seem like no negro. She seems more like a Samoan

BULLSHIT, 88,

The standard NORAD procedure--as demonstrated by dozens of "false alarms" the previous year--was to have jets scrambled over Washington D.C. in MINUTES!!

So, on 9/11, after almost a full hour of hijack attacks--the jets are still over one hundred miles away!!!???

BULLSHIT!! THis glaring failure of the most sophisticated and prepared air defense system IS NOT EXPLAINED in the 9/11 (whitewash) Commission report.

Further, Mineta's account does not in any way suggest that Cheney had any intention of intercepting flight 77. Obviously the inquiring officer--announcing the closer and closer position of the hijacked plane--was awaiting the orders to intercept. Cheney was clearly maintaining a STAND DOWN.

As Mineta delivers his stunning description, notice how Lee Hamilton, chairing the commission, looks like he's just swallowed a golf ball--and notice how he immediately changes the subject to Flight 93 and the possibility of orders having been given to shoot THAT flight down.

As for the ABC propaganda fest, did you notice how Condi, after indeed viewing the intelligence report on Bin Ladin's imminent plans, doesn't ignore it--like in real life--but is then seen at a meeting saying that "the president doesn't want a flyswatter approach," etc. As though she's ACKNOWLEGED the report!! In fact, of course, she would later insist there was "no warning" etc.

And no mention of the CUTBACKS in anti-terror funding in fact planned by the administration before 9/11.

Take a ...

And there was us five years ago thinking that it wouldn't be long before the perpetrators were captured.

9/11 finished the golden age of Smack boards, didn't it? Amongst other, more important things.

Cuda wrote:

Mikey wrote:

Fat Bones wrote: You'll never see it, if you don't see it now...

You trying to tell me that Condi Rice has balls?

No- that she don't seem like no negro. She seems more like a Samoan

RACK the "Choirboys" reset. (Nothing against the cast, but the book was a lot better.)

Putting the next out more generally...

Any suggestion that Bubba was a more serious president than Dubya when it comes to national defense and, more specifically, terrorism will be treated by me with every bit of the serious consideration that it deserves. In other words...

The number of Americans killed by 'terrorists' on Bush's watch is approaching 6,000.
That is a shit record by any measure.

Interesting read:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4571338/

Nishlord wrote:
9/11 finished the golden age of Smack boards, didn't it? .

Actually, I think InkyDave's porn meltdowns did that


I'm glad somebody got the Chiorboys reset, though