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Rumor is that Porter might be traded to New England , and that the deal was in the making before last nights game .

After that we'll be lucky to get an 8th round pick and a sack of manure for Porter.


Nice going Al.

The Assassin wrote:After that we'll be lucky to get an 8th round pick and a sack of manure for Porter.


Nice going Al.

How is Alvis responsible for Porter's jackass antics this season?

orcinus wrote:

The Assassin wrote:After that we'll be lucky to get an 8th round pick and a sack of manure for Porter.


Nice going Al.

How is Alvis responsible for Porter's jackass antics this season?

Al owns the team,Al makes the decisions. Why did Al NOT get rid of this guy back when he bitched and wanted out? This isnt the first time Porter mouthed off and caused problems. There was a reason he was in Gruden's doghouse and now its being seen by everyone. This would not be allowed on other teams yet its ok in Oakland? It just shows you how things are being ran, hell the guy parked in Als spot intenionally. While I found it funny Al IS the owner of the team and he just showed him a huge amount of disrespect.

Al brought these players in he make the decisions therefore he deserves the blame.

Porter was bitching all the way back to the Gruden era , where Gruden had his ass on the bench too .

He got a contract extension after Gruden left. Outside of Moss , he was thier best WR on the roster , after Brown and Rice left.

But trading Gabriel away was a big mistake for the Raiders , especially now. Gabriel isn't a true #1 , but could be a solid #2 .

The Raiders are a fukken mess. And that is Davis' fault .

So, is it all because of Al Davis that the Raiders made it to the Super Bowl a few years ago?

Blaming Davis, while en vogue, can only take you so far.

Sure, he's a big part of the problem (I have no problem with that claim), but last I checked, he wasn't blocking for Brooks last night. It seems he's become an all-too-convenient scapegoat for your misdirected wrath here.

At some point, you play the hand you're dealt and make the best of it

This team, so far, seems completely incapable of doing so.

Davis or not, that mentality doesn't change overnight, nor does it change by dumping Jerry Porter.

orcinus wrote:So, is it all because of Al Davis that the Raiders made it to the Super Bowl a few years ago?

Blaming Davis, while en vogue, can only take you so far.

Sure, he's a big part of the problem (I have no problem with that claim), but last I checked, he wasn't blocking for Brooks last night. It seems he's become an all-too-convenient scapegoat for your misdirected wrath here.

At some point, you play the hand you're dealt and make the best of it

This team, so far, seems completely incapable of doing so.

Davis or not, that mentality doesn't change overnight, nor does it change by dumping Jerry Porter.

They got to the Super Bowl because Gruden built a solid foundation and a good MODERN system. Notice it only took one year for it to go to shit after the SB loss? Had Al the good sense to keep Gruden they more than likely WIN that Super Bowl game.

Al has let opportunites pass by because his stubborness. He drafts Janikowski when shaun alexander is available, He drafts Derrick Gibson when Todd Heap was available. He trades away the 7th pick for Randy Moss when shawne Merrimon is available. Moss hasnt exactly been the "missing piece" has he? He holds personal grudges against players like Porter AND Marcus Allen. Instead of trading them and getting value he orders them benched and to wallow on the sidelines while the Raider offense sputters. He hires the coaches and then orders them to run the offense HE wants. If he ran microsoft the computers would still be in black and white and only able to play pong.


Al is to blame.

orcinus wrote:So, is it all because of Al Davis that the Raiders made it to the Super Bowl a few years ago?

Blaming Davis, while en vogue, can only take you so far.

Sure, he's a big part of the problem (I have no problem with that claim), but last I checked, he wasn't blocking for Brooks last night. It seems he's become an all-too-convenient scapegoat for your misdirected wrath here.

At some point, you play the hand you're dealt and make the best of it

This team, so far, seems completely incapable of doing so.

Davis or not, that mentality doesn't change overnight, nor does it change by dumping Jerry Porter.

Davis hired a coach that built a playoof team , using an offense that Davis never liked , let that coach go due to ego reasons , went to the SB with said coach's assistant , and the Raiders get thier asses kicked from ran coach .

His replacement suffered a mutiny the next season , due in part for he changing the game plan the night before the SB, and the players blaming him for that embarrasing loss.

He then hires Turner , who promises to bring back the long ball " Coryell " offense to Oakland .

During a training camp practice , Turner was running drills with the offense . Some dude from the FO came down and told Turner to pull a certain player from that drill . Turner shrugged it off , and the FO lackey came back 15 minutes later , and went to the directly to said player , and told him " That's it , you're done for the practice " . It was a direct order from Davis himself .

Turner is now in SF , coaching the offense with almost complete autonomy .

Shell was the only coach willing to work for Davis.

Need I say anymore ?

I'm not arguing the fact that Davis' meddling didn't cause some of the turmoil within this team, Drummer, but he's not the reason Oakland absolutely was embarrassed beyond recognition last night.

What I saw last night was more an indication of poor execution than poor scheme or poor coaching.

At some point, your players have to perform.

Even Oakland's nickel set shouldn't have been gashed as it was in the first quarter.

Sandy Eggo is a good team, possibly very good, but they aren't as dynasty-like as last night's performance would have indicated.

But that's another thread.

Like I said before, I have no problems with pegging Alvis with the coaching hires, but it seems nobody on this team wants to look themselves in the mirror anymore. Flawed as they are, this team should have played much better last night, and that's not directly on Alvis. Blame him for the hires, but execution is on the players, themselves.

How Moss is coping through all this without imploding through the media is a mystery beyond me.

Oh I blame the players too. The Aaron Brooks "oh well" look he gave after every bad pass was disgusting. But when you have an owner who doesnt believe in discipline or strict rules then what power do the coaches have? Hell you are telling the players 'Hey behave like you want I'll just blame the coaching staff for it'. Thats how its been since Al bought the damn team(which is another fishy story in itself). Can you imagine T.O on the Raiders? He'd be uncontrollable.

You wanna know what the worst part is?


I got CREAMED on our fantasy game. :sad:

The point is orc is that the Raiders are on thier 3rd coach since Gruden , who BTW , did one thing a Raider coach hasn't done for years , which was bring penalties down , and since Gruden , the team has been in a constant mutiny against the coaching staff .

Why ?

Because Davis coddles the players over the coaches , rendering the staff mere puppets , with no accountabilty to the players .

No coach outside of Shell would dare step in to what is really obvious .

drummer wrote:The point is orc is that the Raiders are on thier 3rd coach since Gruden , who BTW , did one thing a Raider coach hasn't done for years , which was bring penalties down , and since Gruden , the team has been in a constant mutiny against the coaching staff .

Why ?

Because Davis coddles the players over the coaches , rendering the staff mere puppets , with no accountabilty to the players .

No coach outside of Shell would dare step in to what is really obvious .

And Shell only gets leeway because he IS a former player and al assumes he knows how it is. As soon as the players begin to bitch and whine Al will put the heat on Shell just like he did before. I dont see either Shell or Walsh lasting more than 1 season.

Interesting points.

If T.O. is the league's cancer ... how, then, would you explain Moss' behavior to this point?

orcinus wrote:Interesting points.

If T.O. is the league's cancer ... how, then, would you explain Moss' behavior to this point?

A guy who needs to keep quiet but a guy who sees that this franchise is sinking.

I've actually pondered in my lil mind whether or not Al would trade away Moss for draft picks. If the Raiders season gets bad enough which is quite possible the idea wouldn't be far fetched. Trade him to a team who needs a WR (hello New England). Hell if corey dillon can work there so can Moss.


Won't happen but is an interesting scenerio.

orcinus wrote:Interesting points.

If T.O. is the league's cancer ... how, then, would you explain Moss' behavior to this point?

Moss has already bitched about the coaches after Gabriel was traded .

Something like " Walking on eggshells around here " , " Something fishy is going on " . Hell , KNBR replayed that interview with Chris Myers yesterday before the game .

Davis is directly involved with those decisions . And I think was a main factor in the changing of the game plan before their last SB apperance , ( which Lincoln Kennedy confirmed the rumors of that change of game plan , but didn't say anything about Davis' involvement , which , come on now , you know Davis had to have a hand in , not trusting his neophyte HC with their biggest game in almost 2 decades ) .

Updated: Sep. 12, 2006, 5:30 PM ET
Porter says he wasn't even paying attention to gameESPN.com news services


It turns out that Raiders wide receiver Jerry Porter wasn't cheering against his own team. In fact, he wasn't even watching the game.



Porter
The San Francisco Chronicle reported on its Web site that Porter, who was inactive for the 27-0 beating the Raiders absorbed from the San Diego Chargers on Monday night, was seen laughing and pumping his fist on the sidelines when Raiders teammate Aaron Brooks was sacked for the seventh time.


However, Porter said he was pumping his fist for other reasons.

"The San Francisco Chronicle report was not true," Porter told ESPN's Colleen Dominguez. "I wasn't even paying attention to the game. The fist-pumping was in response to some fans that were talking to me when I was sitting on the sidelines."


Porter's role on the team has greatly diminished after he clashed with new coach Art Shell in the offseason over his offseason workout plans. Porter demanded a trade at the start of training camp, but the Raiders have declined to grant his wish.


Porter was slowed by a calf injury early in training camp but was healthy for the final three preseason games and was not listed on the team's injury report leading up to the game. He was on the sideline in street clothes for this game.



Porter led the Raiders with 76 catches last season and had 942 yards receiving and five touchdown receptions in 2005.


He has not been listed as a starter all of training camp, even after the Raiders traded starter Doug Gabriel to New England on Sept. 2.

Guess we owe him an apology huh?

Al deserves to feel a lot of heat.
His organization has won 13 games in 3 yrs and just took it deep up the ass on the Monday Night Opener.
The Raiders are currently the joke of the league.

Al wants to win, there is no doubt, and he wants it badly.
In light of the organization's current state, I think it's fair to question his methods.

I'm VERY disappointed in the recent drafts.
Oakland had a GOLDEN opportunity in the Gruden deal to set themselves up nicely for the future.
They pissed down their leg.
Look at the players drafted in the first 3 rds since 2000.
I won't include this year's guys as it's fair to give them a chance to settle in.
Are ANY of them 'good' players ... ?


Sebastian Janikowski
Jerry Porter
Derrick Gibson
Marques Tuiasosopo
DeLawrence Grant
Phillip Buchanon
Napoleon Harris
Langston Walker
Doug Jolley
Nnamdi Asomugha
Tyler Brayton
Teyo Johnson
Sam Williams
Justin Fargas
Robert Gallery
Jake Grove
Stuart Schweigert
Fabian Washington
Stanford Routt
Andrew Walter
Kirk Morrison

There are a few guys there that I still think can be 'players' for this organization, but mostly when I look at that list I cry.

Seriously, the level most of those guys perform at is what you'd expect from 2nd day draftees.

Most of us assume that Al makes the final call on draftees, so this list reflects VERY poorly on him.

Are the players just not talented or is the organization and coaching stunting their development ... ?

Whatever, it sucks hard.


Is Tom Walsh really a legit O-Coordinator in this league ... ?

Sure sounds like his gameplan and lack of adjustements were BEYOND laughable Monday Night.


I dunno, I'm tired.

poptart wrote:I won't include this year's guys as it's fair to give them a chance to settle in.
Are ANY of them 'good' players ... ?


Sebastian Janikowski
Jerry Porter
Derrick Gibson
Marques Tuiasosopo
DeLawrence Grant
Phillip Buchanon
Napoleon Harris
Langston Walker
Doug Jolley
Nnamdi Asomugha
Tyler Brayton
Teyo Johnson
Sam Williams
Justin Fargas
Robert Gallery
Jake Grove
Stuart Schweigert
Fabian Washington
Stanford Routt
Andrew Walter
Kirk Morrison

Seems like half of those guys took stupid penalties last night. Or they were cheering Aaron Books being sacked.

poptart wrote:Al deserves to feel a lot of heat.

Oakland had a GOLDEN opportunity in the Gruden deal to set themselves up nicely for the future.

Let's call it like it is - Letting Gruden Go was a Huge mistake and the beginning of the downfall of your team.

You Raider fans have defended that move, but it's time for you to come correct -

Gruden put together a solid structure, and had he remained you would have stayed competitive.

Al's ego couldn't take it, and Monday night was just another example of the level this team has fallen to.
Remember this offseason?

With all the fresh coaches available none would take the job, beacuse Al wanted final say on personnel
- And he probably low balled the salary package as well.

In the NFL you get what you pay for.

KC Scott wrote:

poptart wrote:Al deserves to feel a lot of heat.

Oakland had a GOLDEN opportunity in the Gruden deal to set themselves up nicely for the future.

Let's call it like it is - Letting Gruden Go was a Huge mistake and the beginning of the downfall of your team.

You Raider fans have defended that move, but it's time for you to come correct -

Gruden put together a solid structure, and had he remained you would have stayed competitive.

Al's ego couldn't take it, and Monday night was just another example of the level this team has fallen to.
Remember this offseason?

With all the fresh coaches available none would take the job, beacuse Al wanted final say on personnel
- And he probably low balled the salary package as well.

In the NFL you get what you pay for.

I'll man up. I miss Gruden. What other Raiderfans always seem to omit is the reason Gruden wanted out was because of Davis and his meddling. He built a great foundation and used an offense that was modern and full of tricky schemes. Sure his facial expressions got old quick but who cares? He won and seemed to enjoy being the Raider coach. and hell yes it was Davis and his ego that ultimately sent Gruden packing, Gruden got fired but Al got compensation for it. Speaking of fired I am of the opinion that had the Raiders ended up losing that barnburner to the Chiefs in Jan 2000 Gruden woulda been canned the next day. Pete Stoyanovich missing that kick saved Grudens job. Lucky thing he did miss it or I'm sure the great Rich Kotite would have been introduced as the next Raider coach.


I'm sick of the tired Al Davis catchphrases. I'm sick of him never admitting he has made mistakes. I'm sick of his constant meddling and dictatorship demeaner. I respect what hes done in the past but this aint the 70s. Bringing in malcontents has beens and guys who run a 4.3 but cant tackle catch or stay focused doesnt cut it anymore. As a longtime Raiderfan i'm tired of Als sabotaging his own team because he won't let anyone tell him any different. I demand Al take accountability for the poor performance of this franchise.

I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one freaking game into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

poptart wrote:I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one yr into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

I dont blame Art,I think with some more leeway and better OC he can turn things around.

The Raiders totally let Gruden go, he wanted more say in personnel and Davis said no, despite Grudens obvious transformation of the team. Als ego got in the way of what was best for the team. Gruden wanted to stay but not under als thumb. And lets be honest after losing 4 in a row it was Gannon,Brown,and Rice who rallied this team to the SB. Callahan just followed Grudens gameplan. and when the SB came it was Gruden who destroyed them. Ever since its been one disaster after another.Al is too stubborn to admit his way is ancient and his lackeys aka Artie Gigantino wont dare cross Al.

poptart wrote:I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one freaking game into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

Sounds like you've been drinkin' too much of the Kool Aid pops .

The Assassin wrote:

poptart wrote:I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one yr into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

I dont blame Art,I think with some more leeway and better OC he can turn things around.

The Raiders totally let Gruden go, he wanted more say in personnel and Davis said no, despite Grudens obvious transformation of the team. Als ego got in the way of what was best for the team. Gruden wanted to stay but not under als thumb. And lets be honest after losing 4 in a row it was Gannon,Brown,and Rice who rallied this team to the SB. Callahan just followed Grudens gameplan. and when the SB came it was Gruden who destroyed them. Ever since its been one disaster after another.Al is too stubborn to admit his way is ancient and his lackeys aka Artie Gigantino wont dare cross Al.

Well , just ask yourself this .....

Who was the GM who helped Gruden build that team , and where is he now ?

Who is the GM for the Raiders now ?

Amy Trask ? Who ??

poptart wrote:Are ANY of them 'good' players ... ?

Kirk Morrison

solid fantasy guy......

Morrison is one of the guys on the list who looks like he's gonna be a player.
There are a few others who might step it up too.
I didn't list this year's guys, but there are a few guys who have some promise.

Doesn't change the fact that Oakland has drafted a whole lot o' slop this decade.


That's a real football take, fantasy faggot.

Bernard Petrino (Louisville) did.

I do believe he was the only person offered the yob.


Ok, I'll re-attach myself to Al's left nut now.

Bye.

drummer wrote:

poptart wrote:I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one freaking game into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

Sounds like you've been drinkin' too much of the Kool Aid pops .

What part of the take don't you agree with ... ?

At the Raider news conference introducing Art Shell as the new head coach Al refered to him as Bernard Petrino.

Al's way of face-palming BP, I guess.

I laffed.

I wonder what Al would call you .... ?

poptart wrote:I wonder what Al would call you .... ?

KC "Paul"meiro

poptart wrote:

drummer wrote:

poptart wrote:I won't revisit the Gruden situation because it's way played-out.
All I'll say is that I don't agree at all that Oakland 'let him go.'
Gruden wanted to play the field .... flirt with all the cute guys.
Bye.

Callahan came in and took the team to the Super Bowl. So far so good, eh ... ?
In yr two Callahan showed that he didn't have what it takes to REALLY be a head coach.
He gravy-trained off of what built before he came in.
Bye.

In comes Norv. Yr one, terrible.
Yr two, worse.
Gonzo.
Terrible Davis hire, and he's had other terrible hires.
Bugel, White, Shanahan.

We're one freaking game into Art's run.
Give him a chance, I say.

Sounds like you've been drinkin' too much of the Kool Aid pops .

What part of the take don't you agree with ... ?

Well , the Gruden take for one .

The second would be blaming it all on Turner who , BTW , has improved almost every offense he was and is involved with, with the exception of the Raiders , who also BTW , thinks that a 70's offense will work in the Milleneum , so there goes that " one game into Shell's run " theory into the shitter also .

Shanahan is far from a terrible coach , and he has 3 rings to prove that . He just worked for a terrible owner in Davis.

Bugel had the same kind of problems with the players that Callahan had . Shell has those same problems now .

Callahan reached the SB with Gruden's team , but like I said earlier , changed the game plan the night before the SB , and you know Davis had to have had a hand in that . There is no way Davis would trust Callahan with autonomy in the biggest game of the season , and really , Davis' biggest game as an Owner.

The ultimate bitches turned out to be both Woodson and Buchanon , who went MIA before the last game of Callahan's second year as an HC .

Orc was right in what he said earlier in the thread about the players needing to do their job.

Art has said from day one that he is stressing PLAYER accountability, something that has been lacking the past 3 seasons.

Besides the bad O-Line, I see a disturbing problem on offense, and that is NO leadership.
Same thing we've had for the last 3 yrs.
Since Rich went down there is no leader to be found.


I'm not going to rehash discussion about past coaches because it's useless.
I DO want to say, however, that VERY young Rat Shanahan was a horseshit coach when Al gave him his first shot as an NFL head 'man.'
Too young, too immature.
He was a bad Davis hire, bottom line.

Well , of course the players are accountable . But players come , and players go . Same thing goes with coaches.

The real issue here is the accountabilty of the Ownership .

Al is accountable more than anyone else.
When an organization is going on it's 4th straight horsehit year, the TOP is the place to start when looking at where things are wrong.
I made that point earlier and specifically detailed the bad drafting that his organization has done.
He's got other problems too.
Do any respectable coaches want to work for him ... ?
For what it's worth, I wanted Bernard Petrino as head coach.
Would have prefered to have an energetic 'outsider' take over .... much like Gruden when he took over.
I was 'ok' with Art though.

Can't resist taking another shot at Wonderboy though.
Why he gets a pass on his behavior in Oakland is a mystery to me.
I guess people just want to blame Al because he's Al.
Gruden turned out to be a fucking slime.
Hey, check back in a year or so on how things develop with Wonderboy in Tampa.
You've read in here that some Buc fans are pretty well DOWN on him.
Yes, he took the team that Dungy and Kiffen built and got them over the hump.
That'll never be taken from him.
Super Bowl Champion.
Since that time he's coached the team to two losing seasons out three played, and the home opener THIS year didn't look promising.
His days are numbered in Tampa.
Fuck him, the pussy.

Fair point about Wonderboy in Tampa , but , if Davis wasn't a pussy about who was taking credit for the Raider's success a few years back , Wonderboy might have gotten him another ring , instead of kicking him in the balls facing his old Boss in the biggest game of both thier careers .

The reason why I say it's the biggest game in Davis' career ?

Because he thought he could do it without Wonderboy .

He thought wrong .

I've taken some shots at Davis in this thread and now I'll come to his defense a bit.

Everyone is aware that when Oakland went to the Super Bowl after the '02 season they were an OLD team.
Many jokes were made about it, and many a prediction of their demise in '03.
It came true.
They tried to heep the gang together and make one last run at it, but they got old and everything caved in ....... 4-12.
Ok, they have to rebuild.

The next season (Turner yr one) they go 5-11, rebuilding what was a VERY old team.
LOTS of new blood, new coaching staff, new QB, etc.
5-11 is not enjoyable, but it is understandable in this circumstance.

The problem came last year.
It was reasonable to think that the worst of the rebuilding was over and the guys in place were ready to start to make progress.
Didn't happen.
They got WORSE.

You know how many players remain from the team that went to the Super Bowl in '03 ... ?

12

Brad Badger, Zach Crockett, Derrick Gibson, Sebastian Janikowski, Shane Lechler, Jerry Porter, Barry Sims, Chad Slaughter, Adam True, Marques Tuiasosopo, Langston Walker, Alvis Whitted.

And how many of these guys were starters, let alone 'key' players on the Super Bowl team ... ?


Point is, Oakland had loaded up on old guys trying to win the whole ball of wax.
After that they have had to COMPLETELY overhaul the roster, and it's only logical to assume that such a team will go in the tank for a couple of years.

I'd say that LAST year should have shown some progress.
It didn't, and that being the case, Davis has to feel the heat for hiring a coach who couldn't show improvement.

Let's see what Art can do.
It's time for the team to make some steps forward and be competetive.

mvscal wrote:This thread makes me laugh.

Oh, has anyone seen Milkcarton James?

Been busy looking for a new boat to purchase, motherfucker.




Bottom line regarding my Raiders is this: They are absolute dogshit with Walsh as OC and Ryan as DC (Shut the fuck up, Ryan defenders-dude didnt blitz more than twice all game and attampt to rattle a young Qb's FIRST start. Dumbfuck.)


In the end, the blame falls upon Al. He is the owner, and he makes all the decisions.

Tart, you say that Al wants to win badly-I say bullshit. He's shown loooong ago that he'll sacrifice winning to appease his fucking ego.

Al cost us a Championship by changing the fucking playbook the day before the Super Bowl (This has been confirmed by players). How incredibly foolish, and insanely stupid. Who knows how many more rings have been lost in the fray due to his pathetic fucking drafts and signing of over the hill, overpriced free agents.


This latest debacle falls squarely on Al's fossilized granite head. Fucking old faggot.

Fuck Al-the moment he dies is the moment we start winning again. Period.

^^^^^^^^ welcome back Kott..err RJ...I was worried they might have found you floating fetal position in the Del Mar surf. :D