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http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5579

I gotta wonder what he's gotta do for the millions.

I just don't see him as a fighter bringing that kinda jack in.

Even Chuck Liddell doesn't get that kind of change for a main event. What the fuck is going on here?

Sort of like when the USFL debuted - Throw big money at a few name stars to get some cred.

I'm sure he part of the reason is he was signed, instead of better fighers is he wasn't under contract to either Pride or UFC

Saw the Renzo Gracie - Shamrock fight tonight on Showtime - Ended in a DQ win by Gracie.
Renzo had side control and Shamrock threw 2 knees that hit behind the neck.

Gracie rolled over and couldnt continue and Herb Dean gave him the DQ

Not a great card otherwise - The girl fight was decent and I'd not seen Bigfoot Silva before - he was impressive in a KO of Cabbbage

I just finished watching it.

Frank Shamrock is a classless douche.

David Loiseau has completely fallen apart. That beating that Franklin gave him a year ago really took away his will to fight. Too bad because I always liked watching him fight.

Rack Fu wrote:Frank Shamrock is a classless douche.

Didn't see the fight, and back in his UFC days, I never had a problem with the guy...but Renzo is, despite his in-the-ring animal persona, he is truly one of the nice guys of the sport, and one of its great embassadors.


I've never met him personally, but I know others who have, and not one of them has a bad word to say about the guy, and he's usually described as the "nicest, most friendly guy you will ever meet."


That's the equivalent of Alanzo Mourning kneeing Steve Kerr in the groin.

Just finished watching it again with my son, and we agreed we'd never seen a DQ for that.

Basically, Renzo had Shamrock in side mount and Frank brought the knee back hard twice to Gracie's head. The second one, that did the damage, seemed to glance off Renzo's shoulder. We wern't really sure of the rule, and if it was a foul, why didn't Dean call it after the first one? It sure didn't look intentional, and I don't know how they could have called it like that.

If that had been a PPV, or I'd been in the crowd, I'd have been pissed.

BTW, Cesar Gracie would also fit into the douche category after listening to his interview in the ring after the stop. I didn't see his loss to Shamrock, but you could tell there was some hate leftover.

Basically, Shamrock broke two rules of the so-called "unified North American MMA" rules.

There are no kicks or knees to the head of a downed (grounded) opponent - no matter the position of the striker.

You can't purposely strike to the back of the head (rabbit punch).

Herb Dean warned Shamrock about the rabbit punches in between round 1 and 2 because Shamrock threw a few in round 1.

His backpedal was great. "I just came here to fight and that's all I was doing... blah, blah, blah." There are rules, fucknut.

the fight
http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/sear ... k-shamrock

Cool link, Ditto.

While the infraction didn't appear intentional, rules is rules.

Other than the illegal strikes, at no point was Frankie ever in that fight, nor did he ever look like he belonged in the same ring as Renzo(not such a :shocker:).

Damn...Renzo was doing his thing at will. Takedown to side control, to the absolute favorite BJJ position, "knee-in-belly," and even started working the "sniff-my-butt" position(which I was told by one of the Gracie clan was their "technical" name for it), and was pretty much doling out some pretty serious doses of domination.

Even at his old age(I think Renzo is about the same age as me), he's still about the baddest mofo at his weight class anywhere. He's just gotten to the point where he'd rather teach than fight.

I was actually surprised at how dominant Renzo was. Many still consider Frank Shamrock to be at the top of the middleweight food chain. I don't - he hasn't fought enough in the last few years to warrant such praise and hasn't fought anyone of note since whipping Tito Ortiz in 1999. Nevertheless, Shamrock is still a force to be reckoned with because his talent is limitless.

Renzo is one month removed from being 40 and basically got his ass whipped the past few years in Pride and K-1. His recent wins over has-beens Pat Miletich and Carlos Newton look good on paper but don't mean shit. He really controlled Shamrock with ease. I wouldn't say he dominated him since he wasn't doing much damage or anything serious but he was easily winning the fight.

For his age and fight inactivity of late, he is a badass and is a great BJJ artist. That said Dins, he wouldn't last a round with any of the elite 185'ers in the world - guys like Anderson Silva, Matt Lindland, Dan Henderson (who did knock Renzo out in 90 seconds), Rich Franklin, Nate Marquardt, Paulo Filho, Denis Kang & Kaz Masaki would tear him to pieces.