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Oklahoma has a three year old for a President? Weird.

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Oklahoma has a three year old for a President? Weird.

Boren is used to getting his way. He tries to run OU like a private company and has been able to bring a TON of money into the university because of his Senate/government connections. The flip side is this kind of whiny bullshit.

I don't care how bad a call you get. Asking for a game to be reversed, or removed from the record books is weak.

really weak.

IF this was absolutely the last play of the game, resulting in a game winning touchdown, or something, there would be a little more of a case. But when there are still opportunities to win the game afterwards, this seems like an awful lot of vagination.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have said anything, but this one could bite him in the ass. We'll see, but right now everyone was on the Sooner's side as it is. Demanding reparations might rub the public the wrong way. He should have let it play out a little bit, at least, before making such a bold move.

Well, while it is a little extreme I give him props. Most university presidents are just second-rate politicans who love to play nice with everyone (tOSU's prez has apologized to teams we beat). At least he sticks up for his team and calls a spade a spade. The Pac10 is fairly pathetic with this "our refs only" policy...and if you Pac10 fans thought the media failed to show respect before this game, just wait.

and what happens if it is ruled a no contest??
do we get a do over??

Sky wrote:Well, while it is a little extreme I give him props. Most university presidents are just second-rate politicans who love to play nice with everyone (tOSU's prez has apologized to teams we beat). At least he sticks up for his team and calls a spade a spade. The Pac10 is fairly pathetic with this "our refs only" policy...and if you Pac10 fans thought the media failed to show respect before this game, just wait.

Boren was actually a "real" politician, and had a pretty lengthy career in Washington (FWIW). longtime Oklahoma Democrat. There's a lot vanity with Boren as well and his wife is a marginal psycho who's flight of whimsy impulses often cost the University outrageous amounts of money on landscaping and "appearance" manicuring. and a bunch of other goofy shit when things don't look the way Molly Boren wants them too.

I think it is a bitch move on Boren's part. He's got to KNOW nothing is going to be done about this. That being said, why not take the "everybody knows what really happened" tact and leave well enough alone. He may think he's standing up for his team, but in actuality, he's going into melt mode.

Yeah, 50 years from now, no one, sans the OU diehards, are going to remember the game and how OU got jobbed. However, Boren will always be remembered for wantig to take his ball and go home.

It should never be pulled off the books. Once a game is final, there should never be any changes to it. However, I think the Pac10 should take a strong look at its official's performance in that game and issue a statment if they were in the wrong. They should also change the referee policy.

OU lost, game over, scoreboard, season goes on.

I will keep my mouth shut about Boren since I still go to OU.

Yeah MO...I'm sure Boren's perusing online forums looking for students whoe nuts he can go crack.

I know, I know but his wife is a friend of my family among other things.

there's no question the balance of what Boren has done at OU is pretty impressive. compared to what i see on a daily basis at Colorado, there's no comparison to what consistant, focussed leadership can accomplish.

However, as a Norman "townie", there's a lot of stuff about Boren i think is annoying and in some ways he abuses the "mission" of the public institution (to serve the people of Oklahoma) in favor of a lot of rankings hustling.

I can tell you that my Dad has a MBA and JD from OU and has been a hoops and football donor/ticket holder for 25 years, contributes generously to the University and he's REALLY FUCKING TIRED of Boren and Joe Castiglione asking for more money all the time.

After years of getting screwed by the officials on the west coast, I am glad that another conference is starting to realize the scam that is Pac-10 officiating.

OU got hosed no doubt, and something needs to be done about the officiating. But a bad call is a bad call, and this is a fucking football game for Christ's sake.

For the University President to inject himself into this like he has done is a disgrace, but I guess it shows where the priorities are. The good people of Oklahoma need to rethink their choice of people to run their university. And anybody going to OU thinking that "education" might be the main function of that institution might want to reconsider their choice of schools.

The constant tuition increases are not all that great either.

This is all you need to read ...

Believe the Heupel wrote:Ask the Pac 10 to change a rule in which only their officials are used in non-conference home games.

None of the other "requests" matter ... they're all window dressing.

Boren's not an idiot and knows full well the outcome isn't going to be altered, nor should it; however, by throwing his name into the hat, this issue is going to get some media run. If nothing else, the list of demands brings the above eyesore into national play where maybe, just maybe, enough pressure might be placed on the Pac-10 to do away with this rule.

Yes, it's going to be viewed as whining by a majority of fans, but from a political perspective, it could turn out to be a master stroke on his part.

Strike while the iron is hot.

^^^^^

Gets it

orcinus wrote:Boren's not an idiot and knows full well the outcome isn't going to be altered, nor should it; however, by throwing his name into the hat, this issue is going to get some media run. If nothing else, the list of demands brings the above eyesore into national play where maybe, just maybe, enough pressure might be placed on the Pac-10 to do away with this rule.

True. But there's also a given assumption in your sentiment that the Pac-10 and/or the NCAA is run by rationally thinking individuals, a big assumption at times. (See last year's "offensive" mascot ruling for starters).

I imagine after about 15 meetings of when to have a meeting on the subject, it should be about 5 years from now when this rule might be tweaked. Sorry to be cynical, but we ARE talking about chickenshit college and NCAA bureaucrats here.

I hope you're right.

Just saw his letter.

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle ... LID=610256


Here's the final sentence.

It is truly sad and deeply disappointing that members of our football team should be deprived of the outcome of the game that they deserved because of an inexcusable breakdown in officiating.

That's what it all boils down to. It was an inexcusable breakdown, and I agree with that statement, completely.

The problem is how many times, when your team loses, can you say that? It doesn't make the call right, but I swear 90% of the time you lose a close game, you bitch about the calls. Twice, last year, we got raped by refs in basketball games and I was so pissed off. We were up 5 points with 30 seconds to go at Arizona and the refs just handed them the game on two horrible calls (1 call, 1 non-call) and that's pretty much par for the course playing at Zona. We were going to dribble out the clock and their players were intentionally trying to foul us because they had to stop the clock. Instead of calling the foul though, they let them push our player to the floor and take the ball. Gross incompetence, as a best case scenario.

It just reminded me of it, because that was my exact thought. I knew our players wanted to beat Zona so badly and they were crushed afterwards. I felt so bad for them because, I knew we had the game won.

That wasn't the first time I felt that way and it wasn't the last. Like I said, pretty much every close loss you have, you feel that way to varying degrees. And despite the severity of the call on Saturday, Sooner President is acting like they are the only team ever to have this happen to them.

It is a bad call. It is a call that we have to get right. We practice and discuss onside mechanics.

At the high school and college level we go over the following mantra.

1) Stay at the 10 yard restraining line.

2) Get all the information you can

3) Get your bean bag down on first touching no matter who touched it.

4) Drop bean bags not flags.

5) get together and get the call right.


This didn't happen.

I didn't see it live, and I didn't have their perspective, but this is a call you have to get right.

But, the Pac-10 is known for being a sub-par officiating conference.

It's a little bit wild-eyed, but like Sky, I'll give Boren props for not going quietly.

JayDuck wrote:Just saw his letter.

http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle ... LID=610256


Here's the final sentence.

It is truly sad and deeply disappointing that members of our football team should be deprived of the outcome of the game that they deserved because of an inexcusable breakdown in officiating.

That's what it all boils down to. It was an inexcusable breakdown, and I agree with that statement, completely.

The problem is how many times, when your team loses, can you say that? It doesn't make the call right, but I swear 90% of the time you lose a close game, you bitch about the calls. Twice, last year, we got raped by refs in basketball games and I was so pissed off. We were up 5 points with 30 seconds to go at Arizona and the refs just handed them the game on two horrible calls (1 call, 1 non-call) and that's pretty much par for the course playing at Zona. We were going to dribble out the clock and their players were intentionally trying to foul us because they had to stop the clock. Instead of calling the foul though, they let them push our player to the floor and take the ball. Gross incompetence, as a best case scenario.

It just reminded me of it, because that was my exact thought. I knew our players wanted to beat Zona so badly and they were crushed afterwards. I felt so bad for them because, I knew we had the game won.

That wasn't the first time I felt that way and it wasn't the last. Like I said, pretty much every close loss you have, you feel that way to varying degrees. And despite the severity of the call on Saturday, Sooner President is acting like they are the only team ever to have this happen to them.

The Pac-10 basketball officiating is the worst in the history of mankind.....Bar none.....

I feel badly for OUfans here. It's pretty embarassing that a university president, not even an athletic director, would come out and make a statement like this.

What a douche.

I could almost...almost (but not quite) understand if OU had to make some sort of valiant, near-miraculous comeback to win the game, only to get "jobbed" by a bad call. But fuck, man, all they had to do was protect a near two TD lead LATE in the 4th quarter, and they couldn't hold on. They deserved to lose for that alone. If you don't self destruct, then you'll never have to worry about your fate being in the hands of the officials.

It's one thing to blame a loss on a series of bad calls, all game long. But if you claim you lost on the basis of one play, in a span of 4 quarters of football, then you probably were the inferior team that day.

Well, the thing is with the recovery, actually the biggest problem is that they blew the play dead early, while the ball was still live.

Since there was an inadvertant whistle, in that case, they would have actually re-kicked, rather than award OU the ball the way I undestand it.

Not saying we would have recovered a re-kick, but it certainly wasn't a certainty that we would have either.

I can understand calling for an apology and for something to be done in terms of making sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again or those responsible being punished. After-all they did make a game-changing horrible call that was obvious and reversible on replay. But to say the game doesn't count is stupid. Oregon was handed the ball but not the winning score and once a game is over it should stay over.

Believe the Heupel wrote:He's made better men than you disappear, Mo. :D

Actually, I'm kind of a Boren fan when it comes to what he's done for the university. The academic rankings improve pretty much every year, the endowment is getting huge, the campus looks nice, etc etc.

He's made better men disappear into his ass.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... yes I did.

I'm NOT a Boren fan. I love what he's done for the University, but he's also killed a LOT of the "college spirit." I mean, no beer on campus... UNTIL the alums started complaining about it, so he went lax on Gameday. What if a kid dies from drinking on Gameday? Then what, Boren?

I honestly think that, while this IS a bitch move, that I'd like to give ol' Dave a slap on the ass for hanging his balls out there like this...

the_ouskull

Believe the Heupel wrote:MGo-

I guess the point is that, by rule, Oklahoma DID "hang on."

I don't know where these "rules" are stated, but in my book, blowing a 13 point lead with 3 mins to go isn't considered "hanging on."

the_ouskull wrote:
I honestly think that, while this IS a bitch move, that I'd like to give ol' Dave a slap on the ass for hanging his balls out there like this...

the_ouskull

you are really starting to scare me with some of the comments you have made the last few days...

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Unbelievable. First the horrid calls, then making you wear that sig....did the duck do that?

Believe the Heupel wrote:Gee, and here I thought that recovering an onside kick with less than a minute to go means you held on.

Understandably Michigan State is pretty rarely in a position to run out the clock on someone, but I thought everyone knew about those rules.

Nah. Truly hanging onto such a lead means it doesn't get to the onside kick to begin with. Aren't you more upset that your team put themselves in such an unforseeable situation?

Had that been State, I'd have been a lot more pissed off in my team than the refs.

"just sayin"

I seem to remember another contraversial call in Eugene last year.

Funny how when the OU clock operator jobbed Texas Tech out of W a couple years back, OU had no problems taking the "illegal" W and walking away but now that they're on the wrong end of the jobbing they have a problem.

Just sayin.

Believe the Heupel wrote:I guess I don't see why you're having a hard time understanding this.

Oregon was awarded an extra possession. Had they not been awarded said possession, it is likely that Oklahoma would have been able to just kneel out the clock.

I understand just fine. We're just putting credence into two different points, 'sall. You believe the game was decided on one play. I believe the game was decided moreso on (practically) four full quarters of football.

The game wasn't decided on ONE play. It took TWO (re)plays to fuck us.

Also, considering that Oregon was scoring on "borrowed" (read: jacked) time on that last possession that we'd have been kneeling out, they actually DIDN'T play just four quarters... and if it WAS four quarters, then during the last 60 seconds, Oklahoma got played, but it sure as fuck wasn't football being played.

the_ouskull

I think games should be reduced from four quarters to 60 seconds. You know, considering 99% of the gameplay apparently has nothing to do with the outcome.

Keep Dixon out of the endzone on an 8 play scoring drive and you're not in here sobbing your eyes out. It really is that simple.

The Pac 10 agrees

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_ ... a_replay_4

Pac-10 suspends officials for 1 game

NORMAN, Okla. - The Pacific-10 Conference, finding merit in Oklahoma's complaints about the officiating in its loss to Oregon, issued a one-game suspension Monday to the officiating crew and the instant replay officials who worked the game and an apology to the Sooners.

The Ducks won the game 34-33 after scoring two touchdowns in the final 72 seconds.

"Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."

Two plays were reviewed on Oregon's game-winning drive — an onside kick that gave the Ducks possession and a pass interference call one play before Oregon's winning touchdown.

Hansen said the onside kick was touched by an Oregon player before it had traveled the required 10 yards, and, therefore, the ball should have been awarded to Oklahoma. The video also shows an Oklahoma player actually recovered the ball, although that aspect of the play was not reviewable under the instant replay rule.

"The fact that the errors on the onside kick altered the outcome of the game is most unfortunate and unsettling," Hansen said. "We had a solid veteran crew assigned, and the instant replay official had a fine career as a referee in the Pac-10.

"We believe in the ability and integrity of each individual involved. It should be noted that not all of the seven officials were directly involved in the play in question, but the entire crew bears responsibility for every play. Game officials and replay officials have positions of great responsibility and must be accountable for their actions."

Stoops has also said he believes Oklahoma defensive end C.J. Ah You tipped a pass by Dennis Dixon that resulted in a pass interference penalty. If the ball was indeed tipped, the pass interference penalty would have been negated.

The replay officials ruled that they didn't have indisputable video evidence that the ball had been tipped.

Hansen said that the future work of the officials who were suspended will be closely monitored.

"The training and experience of officials at this level enable them to work at a high degree of accuracy," he said. "Unfortunately, at the critical moment of this game, errors were made."

University of Oklahoma president David Boren sent a letter Monday to Big 12 commissioner Kevin Weiberg, saying the officiating problems was beyond an "outrageous injustice," and asking him to pursue having the game eliminated from the record books and having the officials involved in the game suspended for the remainder of the season.

Weiberg responded with a statement saying the result of the game would stand.

"There is no provision under NCAA or conference rules for a game result to be reversed or changed as a result of officiating errors, nor do I believe there should be," he said.

Boren also asked for a Pac-10 apology and called for the conference to change its policy that requires only Pac-10 officials be used for nonconference home games.'

"This policy is well known nationally and institutions, including OU, know this to be the case at the time of entering into contracts to play Pac-10 opponents," Weiberg said.

Boren, in a statement issued after the conference statements, expressed appreciation for the Pac-10's actions.

"I hope this will lead to further national review of the responsibilities of replay officials and the way in which they interact with game officials on the field," Boren said. "I also hope this situation will lead the Pac-10 to change their police of requiring that only officials of the Pac-10 officiate the home games of Pac-10 universities when they are hosting a non-conference opponent."

what i find funny, is that this call is nowhere near as bad as some of the worst officiating calls in cfb history.

Michigan st player tackling michigan player in endzone, as pass flew by, No Pass int call. refs ran off the field before the ball hit the ground.

colorado getting a 5th down, not making it in the endzone on 5th down, and getting credited with a td that won the game with NO TIME LEFT. He was 2 feet short of endzone on 5th down. Colorado went on to win a national championship. MU fan crying? nope.

Kicked ball vs nebraska, clear to everyone in the stadium and on tv, was 4th down, gave nebraska a tying td, and went on to win in OT. They won a national championship that year with the gift. That win could of been huge for MU, especially with instate recruiting, it was being watched by many of the states top kids, couple of those kids went to nebraska that year. Beating #2 in nation does wonders for recruiting.


some teams have eternity bitches when it comes to getting screwd by the refs, This is so far from being one of bitches.

its kinda like someone bitching about losing $500 on the stock market, while others lost their pensions in enron debacle.

Done and done.

The differnce is that there is instant replay now, same shit is not supposed to happen.

Nice addition to the thread Van.