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Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:18 pm**

Amish sisters asked to die first, family friend says
By Keith Herbert
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
GEORGETOWN, Pa. - A 13-year-old Amish girl killed by the gunman in the Lancaster County schoolhouse asked to be shot first in an attempt to buy time for the younger students, according to a close family friend.

The girl's 11-year-old sister then said, "Shoot me next."

The account of what occurred inside the West Nickel Mines Amish School on Monday was related this morning by Rita Rhodes, a Mennonite nurse-midwife who had delivered 13-year-old Marian Fisher, who was buried yesterday. Rhodes, a lifelong resident of nearby Quarryville, also delivered Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12, who was to be buried today.

The younger Fisher girl, Barbie, survived the assault and told her family what happened from her bed at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where she is being treated for wounds to her shoulder, hand and leg.

Marian had been bound with the other children by Charles Carl Roberts IV in the West Nickel Mines Amish School. "They were already tied up, they knew they were going to be shot," Rhodes said, and "Barbie says that Marian said she'd be first. And then Barbie said, 'Shoot me next.'

"The older girls were trying to save the younger girls, thinking that if they offered themselves, maybe the gunman would spare the younger girls.

"I think it was just an amazing display of courage. God really had to be present in that schoolhouse to give them that courage," said Rhodes, who heard about the incident from Ruben Fisher, the girls' grandfather and the father of Emma Zook, the teacher who escaped from the school before the five girls were killed and five others wounded. Roberts also killed himself.

"Barbie said somewhere during all the conversations" in the one-room schoolhouse, Roberts "asked the girls to pray for him," Rhodes said.

"He said he hated God, but yet he must have realized that God was going to decide his future, and that the girls had a link to God. So he asked them to pray for him."

Since I don't think the Amish want any more attention brought to their community about this thing I am in a bit of awe about this. I also read that the wife of the killer was invited to one of the funerals and some of the elder Amish folks have asked that a fund be set up for the wife and kids.

While privately I am sure there is some form of hatred for Roberts, as a community I am amazed and how forgiving they have been over this.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:21 pm**

God really had to be present in that schoolhouse

I wonder if the zealots(any denomination) ever realize how fucking stupid they sound?

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:28 pm**

An Amish Girl named Barbie???

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:31 pm**

No Shit. Maybe God should have done something about the douchebag putting bullet holes into prepubescent girls, rather than just "giving them the strength to take it"

Amazing story that pisses me off. I suppose it shouldn't be too suprising that an Amish child would believe in sacrificing themselves for other's sins.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:34 pm**

JayDuck wrote:I suppose it shouldn't be too suprising that an Amish child would believe in sacrificing themselves for other's sins.

After tomorrow, they might have to change Nate Longshore's nickname to "Amish Child."

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:36 pm**

God had nothing to do with it. Giving God credit only takes away from the selfless acts of those two girls.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:40 pm**

Exactly Bri. Just for a moment, take the "God" element out of the scenario. This was about an amazing act of self sacrifice. How about a bit of respect for that, especially from you Dins.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:47 pm**

Jay in Phoenix wrote:How about a bit of respect for that, especially from you Dins.

Huh?

Dumbfuck -- I was making commentary on the stupid and callous statements that someone who knew the victims made on their behalf.

Seems to me if you're all about the "respect," your beef is with this moronic midwife, not me -- I'm not the one who just came through the backdoor and said God was responsible for the shootings of children...she was.

You're not the brightest guy(and rarely even make sense, actually), but do try and get a slight grasp on what's going on before you comment on it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:00 pm**

Hey, as long as the bastard wants people to talk to God about him, I'm game. Doubt he'll like what's said though.

velocet

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:01 pm**

Jay in Phoenix wrote:This was about an amazing act of self sacrifice. How about a bit of respect for that, especially from you Dins.

Yeah, no shit, Dins! Jeez, the families might read this thread!

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:19 pm**

mvscal wrote:
If there is a God, then his purposes would necessarily be quite beyond your powers of comprehension.

Why is that? Is he super duper smart?

And by the way, are you backsliding? I thought you didn't go for talk about the bearded old guy who lives in the clouds.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:20 pm**

God really had to be present in that schoolhouse"

Then why didn't he say "shoot me first"?

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:23 pm**

Mister Bushice wrote:
God really had to be present in that schoolhouse"
Then why didn't he say "shoot me first"?

Dude is all about having others take the bullet for him now. He took a few nails in the hands and feet dude, have some respect. ;)

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:25 pm**

See, if that little girl was being a true christian, she would have told the psycho "Nail me first!"

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:33 pm**

Dumbfuck -- I was making commentary on the stupid and callous statements that someone who knew the victims made on their behalf.

Okay Dins, fair enough, I suppose. But your statement "I wonder if the zealots(any denomination) ever realize how fucking stupid they sound?" came off as callous to the situation. Sure, it was in regard to the insanity of zealousness, with which I agree, but without at least a little regard for what those girls went through, it just came off as wrong.

Seems to me if you're all about the "respect," your beef is with this moronic midwife, not me -- I'm not the one who just came through the backdoor and said God was responsible for the shootings of children...she was.

Of course it is, when did I say otherwise. My sympathies lie with the children and their families, period.

You're not the brightest guy(and rarely even make sense, actually), but do try and get a slight grasp on what's going on before you comment on it.

Care to back up that statement. Yeah, I thought not.

You might want to back away from your own ridiculous arrogance a little bit Dimsdork, you're true jackass nature is shining through.

Not a good thing.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:33 pm**

If you accept the premise, then you have to accept the fact that you have about as much a chance of understanding God as a paramecium has of understanding a human.

Given that, all this atonement crap is also bullshit.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:45 pm**

Jay in Phoenix wrote:[You might want to back away from your own ridiculous arrogance a little bit Dimsdork, you're true jackass nature is shining through.

Forgive me. I guess you're right. After all, on an anonymous BBS
where we celebrate as King the guy who can come up with the most irreverant euphemism to describe a homosexual of limited intelligence, I should probably rethink my evil ways , and not be such a jackass.

I have seen the light.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:50 pm**

I just can't believe the teacher hauled ass outa there to let the kids die. That is who should be dead.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:51 pm**

Mister Bushice wrote:
God really had to be present in that schoolhouse"
Then why didn't he say "shoot me first"?

You were out of range.

I like the "Shoot Bushice First" idea, though. Rack you for your self-sacrifice

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:53 pm**

God would have helped those girls out, but he was busy discussing foreign policy with Dubya.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:57 pm**

Cuda wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:
God really had to be present in that schoolhouse"
Then why didn't he say "shoot me first"?
You were out of range.

I like the "Shoot Bushice First" idea, though. Rack you for your self-sacrifice

Stand in another line, Cuda. My nutsack isn't issuing W-2s either.

Have you tried the personal ads in "Out" magazine?

You know, skill -specific, and all.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:05 pm**

Who knows. He could be the celestial equivalent of Jess the Rookie and the universe is his fifth grade science project collecting dust in the closet.

:)

-Kind of disturbing to think of God doing Vonnage commercials.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:18 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:[You might want to back away from your own ridiculous arrogance a little bit Dimsdork, you're true jackass nature is shining through.

Forgive me. I guess you're right. After all, on an anonymous BBS
where we celebrate as King the guy who can come up with the most irreverant euphemism to describe a homosexual of limited intelligence, I should probably rethink my evil ways , and not be such a jackass.

I have seen the light.

Well alrighty then. :wink:

My work is done. Have a nice day.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:20 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:I just can't believe the teacher hauled ass outa there to let the kids die. That is who should be dead.

Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:26 pm**

BSmack wrote:
Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?

There's an Amityville Horror reset in there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:26 pm**

BSmack wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:I just can't believe the teacher hauled ass outa there to let the kids die. That is who should be dead.
Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?

In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:31 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:I just can't believe the teacher hauled ass outa there to let the kids die. That is who should be dead.
Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?
In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.

bingo.

I will die before I let any of the kids die. I'm no "Soldier" but I couldn't live with myself if I let that happen. What if it was YOUR child in the room and the man with the gun tells you to get out? You going to leave your OWN child? Come on BS, it was a pussy move.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:33 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:I just can't believe the teacher hauled ass outa there to let the kids die. That is who should be dead.
Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?
In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.

To say you know what you would do in the face of a gun wielding madman reeks of delusion.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:42 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote: Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?
In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.
bingo.

I will die before I let any of the kids die. I'm no "Soldier" but I couldn't live with myself if I let that happen. What if it was YOUR child in the room and the man with the gun tells you to get out? You going to leave your OWN child? Come on BS, it was a pussy move.

There's a big difference between A child and YOUR child.

One more thing to consider. This was an AMISH school. How else was she supposed to call the cops? Grab one of the kids' cell phones?

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:45 pm**

BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote: Somebody points a gun at you and says "Get the fuck OUT!", what are YOU going to do?
In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.
To say you know what you would do in the face of a gun wielding madman reeks of delusion.

First, I know what its like to have a loaded gun pointed directly at me.
Second, whether you believe it or not, when you have kids of your own you grow to realize you do anything to protect the innocent life of a child no matter the cost. I can tell you right now that if someone had a gun to my face in a room full of children and told me to leave, I'd wouldn't. Regardless of whether mine were in there or not.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:00 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:First, I know what its like to have a loaded gun pointed directly at me.

So do I. Let's just say that it is a moment of clarity like none other to stare down the business end of a 9mm. You tend to do things you wouldn't ordinarily do. Like give some worthless peice of shit the 20 dollars in your wallet.

Second, whether you believe it or not, when you have kids of your own you grow to realize you do anything to protect the innocent life of a child no matter the cost. I can tell you right now that if someone had a gun to my face in a room full of children and told me to leave, I'd wouldn't. Regardless of whether mine were in there or not.

Sorry, that doesn't make you better than her, it makes you stupid. And it also puts the lives of the boys in that classroom at risk. And it means that there is no responsible adult available to call the police. Which, as we later found out, saved all the girls from being molested by this freak.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:09 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:
God really had to be present in that schoolhouse

I wonder if the zealots(any denomination) ever realize how fucking stupid they sound?

I wonder, after suffering thru the same experience as those people, if you would be able to express yourself in any other manner that differs from the embarassment you express in here.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:35 pm**

Second, whether you believe it or not, when you have kids of your own you grow to realize you do anything to protect the innocent life of a child no matter the cost. I can tell you right now that if someone had a gun to my face in a room full of children and told me to leave, I'd wouldn't. Regardless of whether mine were in there or not.

Sorry, that doesn't make you better than her, it makes you stupid. And it also puts the lives of the boys in that classroom at risk. And it means that there is no responsible adult available to call the police. Which, as we later found out, saved all the girls from being molested by this freak.

There were actually 3 adults in the room, plus a pregnant women and all of them plus the boys and infants were released except for the girls. NONE of the adults tried to stay behind to try and protect those little girls. In retrospect the woman who called the police saved the girls from being sexually assaulted but that psycho also called his wife 10 minutes before he went on the rampage that he did. It seems pretty clear that the dude was going to cause extreme violence and death regardless of whether the police came or not. Everyone has a different reaction when it comes to flight or fight.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:04 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:There were actually 3 adults in the room, plus a pregnant women and all of them plus the boys and infants were released except for the girls. NONE of the adults tried to stay behind to try and protect those little girls. In retrospect the woman who called the police saved the girls from being sexually assaulted but that psycho also called his wife 10 minutes before he went on the rampage that he did. It seems pretty clear that the dude was going to cause extreme violence and death regardless of whether the police came or not. Everyone has a different reaction when it comes to flight or fight.

You're right about everybody having a different reaction. My guess is that what you think your reaction would have been would have gotten you killed without doing a damn thing to help those girls.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:41 pm**

This was an AMISH school.

Amish?

I would have yelled "GET OUT, LEST I SMITE AND BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEE."

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I know, I know.
I apologize with all my heart.

Posted: **Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:49 pm**

O.K. Girls - now that that little circle jerk is over, let's backto these crucial facts, shall we?

she is being treated for wounds to her shoulder, hand and leg.

This fuck wad has 6 girls on their knees, with their feet tied together, and he misses one of them three times? All the while, Barbie, Ginger, and Mary-Ellen the Minx are begging to be 'done' next.

I'm sure that we will find a report somewhere that his cock was out when they found him - what else would explain the aim?

That's worse than a cop's average (supposedly), and they weren't even moving!!

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:37 am**

Most of you sad fucks are full of shit.

- Det. John Book

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:16 am**

she should have told him to shoot himself first.

Posted: **Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:45 am**

jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote: In a room full of children? I wouldn't pull a Costanza that's for sure.
To say you know what you would do in the face of a gun wielding madman reeks of delusion.
First, I know what its like to have a loaded gun pointed directly at me.
Second, whether you believe it or not, when you have kids of your own you grow to realize you do anything to protect the innocent life of a child no matter the cost. I can tell you right now that if someone had a gun to my face in a room full of children and told me to leave, I'd wouldn't. Regardless of whether mine were in there or not.

To be fair Jim... all those kids are the same height as you... he just would have thought you were one of the students :D

Posted: **Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:42 am**

Sirfindafold wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
God really had to be present in that schoolhouse

I wonder if the zealots(any denomination) ever realize how fucking stupid they sound?

I wonder, after suffering thru the same experience as those people, if you would be able to express yourself in any other manner that differs from the embarassment you express in here.

ouch

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