Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:16 pm
I ain't got nothin' to add...sorry...bad grammar...I doesn't has nothin' to add.
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The Darkie was right.88 wrote:Law.com wrote:As one of its final acts last term, the U.S. Supreme Court issued Kansas v. Marsh, a case involving the constitutionality of a state death-penalty statute. The 5-4 decision exposed the deep divide that exists among the nation's intellectual elite regarding one of society's most troubling issues -- namely, whether the possessive form of a singular noun ending with the letter "s" requires an additional s after the apostrophe.
The issue reached a crescendo in Marsh primarily because of two circumstances. First, the statute in question originated from a state with a name ending in "s." Second, the majority opinion was written by a justice whose last name ends in "s." Given the confluence of these factors, it was inevitable that the justices' philosophical differences on matters of American usage would be thrust into the spotlight.
A BITTER DIVIDE
Justice Clarence Thomas, writing for the Court (and joined by Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. and Justices Samuel Alito Jr., Anthony Kennedy, and Antonin Scalia), concluded that the Kansas statute was not unconstitutional. In reaching this conclusion, Thomas repeatedly referred to the relevant law as Kansas' statute.
In response, Justice David Souter wrote a dissent that was joined by Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and John Paul Stevens. The dissent revealed Souter's bitter disagreement with both the substantive conclusion of the majority and the grammatical philosophy of the opinion's author. Whereas Thomas apparently believes that whenever a singular noun ends in "s," an additional "s" should never be placed after the apostrophe, Souter has made equally clear his conviction that an s should always be added after the apostrophe when forming a singular possessive, regardless of whether the nonpossessive form already ends in "s." With this acrimonious undercurrent simmering in the background, Souter boldly began his Marsh dissent as follows: "Kansas's capital sentencing statute provides ... " This dramatic and gratuitous use of the possessive was an obvious attack on Thomas, who, as one of three s-ending members of the Court, is viewed as a role model for the millions of children who grow up with the stigma of grammatical ambiguity attached to their names.
Cuda was, as usualm, a clueless dumbfuck.Cuda wrote:88 wrote:The Darkie was right.Law.com wrote:As one of its final acts last term, the U.S. Supreme Court issued Kansas v. Marsh, a case involving the constitutionality of a state death-penalty statute. The 5-4 decision exposed the deep divide that exists among the nation's intellectual elite regarding one of society's most troubling issues -- namely, whether the possessive form of a singular noun ending with the letter "s" requires an additional s after the apostrophe.
The issue reached a crescendo in Marsh primarily because of two circumstances. First, the statute in question originated from a state with a name ending in "s." Second, the majority opinion was written by a justice whose last name ends in "s." Given the confluence of these factors, it was inevitable that the justices' philosophical differences on matters of American usage would be thrust into the spotlight.
A BITTER DIVIDE
Justice Clarence Thomas, writing for the Court (and joined by Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. and Justices Samuel Alito Jr., Anthony Kennedy, and Antonin Scalia), concluded that the Kansas statute was not unconstitutional. In reaching this conclusion, Thomas repeatedly referred to the relevant law as Kansas' statute.
In response, Justice David Souter wrote a dissent that was joined by Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and John Paul Stevens. The dissent revealed Souter's bitter disagreement with both the substantive conclusion of the majority and the grammatical philosophy of the opinion's author. Whereas Thomas apparently believes that whenever a singular noun ends in "s," an additional "s" should never be placed after the apostrophe, Souter has made equally clear his conviction that an s should always be added after the apostrophe when forming a singular possessive, regardless of whether the nonpossessive form already ends in "s." With this acrimonious undercurrent simmering in the background, Souter boldly began his Marsh dissent as follows: "Kansas's capital sentencing statute provides ... " This dramatic and gratuitous use of the possessive was an obvious attack on Thomas, who, as one of three s-ending members of the Court, is viewed as a role model for the millions of children who grow up with the stigma of grammatical ambiguity attached to their names.
The Lefties, were, as usualm, clueless dumbfucks.Law.com wrote:In addition to the opinions by Thomas, Souter, and Scalia, the Marsh case generated an additional dissent by Stevens, who disagreed with the substance of the majority but declined to address the "s" issue. A review of recent opinions, however, reveals that Stevens and the remaining five justices side squarely with Thomas.
Not sure how much credence I'd give to this source, however, since in the two instances above where the word which is used, I believe the word that is more acceptable and appropriate. So let's check another one, shall we?Barron's 1001 Pitfalls in English Grammar, 3rd Edition (1986), pg. 15 wrote:The possessive case of nouns, meaning belonging to, is usually formed by adding the apostrophe and s to words which do not end with an s or z sound and by adding only the apostrophe to words which end with an s or z sound. PITFALL: In singular one-syllable nouns ending in the s or z sound, it is customary to add the apostrophe and s and to pronounce the possessive as if it ended in es: the boss's hat.
The two sources cited here disagree on whether an apostrophe is preferred for polysyllabic singular possessive nouns, and the second source omitted the word in in the last sentence, so I don't have full confidence in its authority either. So where to turn now? Well, since the debate is being waged by SCOTUS Justices, let's turn to A Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage, Second Edition (1995), by Bryan A. Garner, which states on pg. 674:Fowler's Modern English Usage, Second Edition (1985), pg. 466 wrote:It was formerly customary, when a word ended in -s, to write its possessive with an apostrophe but no additional s, e.g. Mars' hill, Venus' Bath, Achilles' thews. In verse, and in poetic or reverential contexts, this custom is retained, and the number of syllables is the same as in the subjective case, e.g. Achilles' has three, not four syllables, Jesus' has two, not three. But elsewhere we now usually add the s and the syllable - always when the word is monosyllabic, and preferably when it is longer, Charles's Wain, St. James's Street, Jones's children, the Rev. Septimus's surplice, Pythagoras's doctrines. Plurals of proper names ending [in] s form their possessives in the same way as ordinary plurals (the Joneses' home, the Rogerses' property).
Since the argument here is among individuals at the highest level of the legal profession, and because he cites Strunk and White, I'm gonna side with Garner, meaning that the verdict of Cuda being a clueless dumbfuck is upheld, and the Court's minority opinion is judged to be superior.The best practice, advocated by Strunk and White in The Elements of Style and every other authority of superior standing, is to add -'s to all singular possessives, hence witness's, Vitex's, Jones's, Congress's, testatrix's. ... Legal stylists generally follow the rule just stated ... There are two exceptions to this rule. The first is that biblical and classical names ending in -s take only an apostrophe, hence Jesus' suffering, Moses' discovery, Aristophanes' plays, Grotius' writings... The second exception is for singular terms formed from a plural. Thus Scribes, the name of the organization devoted to improving legal writing, makes Scribes' as a possessive (Scribes' president).
Smackie Chan wrote:I'm gonna side with GarnerThe best practice, advocated by Strunk and White in The Elements of Style and every other authority of superior standing, is to add -'s to all singular possessives, hence witness's, Vitex's, Jones's, Congress's, testatrix's. ... Legal stylists generally follow the rule just stated ... There are two exceptions to this rule.
*Gavel sounds twice*the verdict of Cuda being a clueless dumbfuck is upheld