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godzilla2002 wrote:As much as I want the Raiders to win I'm laughing my ass off, only the Raiders can find and get screwed by fucked up rules that no one has ever seen called.

poptart wrote:it's about time to say bye bye to the NFL for this fan.


Shysters.

poptart wrote:James, your anger is misdirected, but ........ oh well.

mvscal wrote:

poptart wrote:The call was a total fuck-job.

Either that or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Fumble defined, Rule 3, Section 2, Article 4:

A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term Fumble always implies possession. (8-4-2 Exc.1)

Note: If a player pretends to fumble and causes the ball to go forward, it is a forward pass and may be illegal. (8-1-1 Pen. a, c).

Pass defined, Rule 3, Section 21, Article 1:

A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by the handing, throwing, shoving (shovel pass), or pushing by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand to hand pass).

Note: The term is also used to designate the action of a player who causes a pass as in, "He will pass the ball."

Forward pass defined, Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2:

A Forward Pass is a pass that:

(a) initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after leaving the passer's hands and before touching another player; or

(b) is handed (regardless of the direction of movement of the ball) to a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he takes or receives it.

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A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by the handing, throwing, shoving (shovel pass), or pushing by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand to hand pass).

A Forward Pass is a pass that:

(a) initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after leaving the passer's hands and before touching another player; or...

BSmack wrote:Yet another example of how a technically correct ruling makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.

Also, why does the NFL allow players to spike the ball in the field of play? God forbid that 2 players do the funky chicken after scoring a TD, but it's OK for a player to spike the ball and beat his chest after making a fucking first down?

jiminphilly wrote:

BSmack wrote:Yet another example of how a technically correct ruling makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.

Also, why does the NFL allow players to spike the ball in the field of play? God forbid that 2 players do the funky chicken after scoring a TD, but it's OK for a player to spike the ball and beat his chest after making a fucking first down?

I know.. I'm getting tired of seeing the Steelers do that too.

mvscal wrote:

Cuda wrote:For it to be a pass, he'd have had to be trying to pass it to someone.

Wrong answer, dimwit. Who is the intended receiver when a QB spikes the ball to stop the clock?
You do realise that that is an incomplete forward pass, don't you?

It was a pass by rule. You don't have to like it. You just have to suck on it.

Mikey wrote:Too bad Cuda never learned to read.

A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by the handing, throwing, shoving (shovel pass), or pushing by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand to hand pass).

A Forward Pass is a pass that:

(a) initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent's goal line) after leaving the passer's hands and before touching another player; or...

Where does it say anything about to someone?

mvscal wrote:

BSmack wrote:Yet another example of how a technically correct ruling makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.

A play of sheer boneheaded idiocy such as that makes for a technical ruling that would appear to defy sense. The call of an illegal forward pass is the closest proximity in the book to what happened on the field and Jackson was duly penalized for it.

NFL Rulebook wrote:3. The passer must be behind his line of scrimmage (Loss of down and five yards, enforced from the spot of pass).

mvscal wrote:Wrong again, idiot. An intentional fumble forward is a forward pass.

That is not a twisted interpretation of the rule. That is the rule.

Cuda wrote:
Even assuming the "illegal forward pass" call was correct, they got the penalty wrong.

NFL Rulebook wrote:3. The passer must be behind his line of scrimmage (Loss of down and five yards, enforced from the spot of pass).

It was 4th down. Loss of down in that case automatically gives possession to the other team

mvscal wrote:I've got the rule book in hand right now.

Digest of Rules

Forward Pass
1. A forward pass may be touched or caught by any eligible receiver. All members of the defensive team are eligible. Eligible receivers on the offensive team are players on either end of line (other than center, guard, or tackle) or players at least one yard behind the line at the snap. A T-formation quarterback is not eligible to receive a forward pass during a play from scrimmage.

Exception: T-formation quarterback becomes eligible if pass is previously touched by an eligible receiver.

2. An offensive team may make only one forward pass during each play from scrimmage (Loss of 5 yards).

3. The passer must be behind his line of scrimmage (Loss of down and five yards, enforced from the spot of pass).

4. Any eligible offensive player may catch a forward pass. If a pass is touched by one eligible offensive player and touched or caught by a second offensive player, pass completion is legal. Further, all offensive players become eligible once a pass is touched by an eligible receiver or any defensive player.

5. The rules concerning a forward pass and ineligible receivers:

(a) If ball is touched accidentally by an ineligible receiver on or behind his line: loss of five yards.

(b) If ineligible receiver is illegally downfield: loss of five yards.

(c) If touched or caught (intentionally or accidentally) by ineligible receiver beyond the line: loss of 5 yards.

6. The player who first controls and continues to maintain control of a pass will be awarded the ball even though his opponent later establishes joint control of the ball.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:

(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

(b) Pass hits the goal post or the crossbar of either team.

8. A forward pass is complete when a receiver clearly possesses the pass and touches the ground with both feet inbounds while in possession of the ball. If a receiver would have landed inbounds with both feet but is carried or pushed out of bounds while maintaining possession of the ball, pass is complete at the out-of-bounds spot.

9. On a fourth down pass an incomplete pass results in a loss of down at the line of scrimmage.

10. If a personal foul is committed by the defense prior to the completion of a pass, the penalty is 15 yards from the spot where ball becomes dead.

11. If a personal foul is committed by the offense prior to the completion of a pass, the penalty is 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage.

ChargerMike wrote: Even Vince Young's throwing motion isn't that bad. And really, if you are going to be that literal with the rules, shouldn't Jackson have been flagged for intentional grounding?

Cuda wrote:And it is a loss of down for a pass attempt from beyond the LOS.

The link I posted takes you right to the motherfucking NFL website.

Do you seriously believe the NFL doesn't know it's own fucking rules?

Mikey wrote:Loss of down means that you don't replay the previous down. If you advance the ball far enough to make the first down even after the penalty, you get the first down. It's always been that way and it still is, no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Idiot.

ChargerMike wrote: ...the call really let Jackson off the hook when he shouldn't have been.