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California decides this year that they want to crown state champions for the first time in decades.

The way it works is this weekend the teams play for their sectional divisional championships, 47 teams will win titles this weekend. Then polls and CIF trustees will pick 1 team from the North and 1 team from the South to play in Div 1, 2 and 3 Championship bowls, the other 41 "Champions" get nothing. So in the South the only thing that is for sure is that Oaks Christian will play for the D3 (less than 1000 students) title.
D2 (1000-2000 students) will be decided between Orange Lutheran who is up on HB Edison 14-0 at the half right now or a couple of the LA City section teams.
D1 (2000+ students) is up for grabs, Canyon Country Canyon won their game but if JW North wins thier game, they will be 14-0 and have not had a single team play them close, problem is JW North is a pretty much all black school from Riverside that every year has an awesome team and never gets props from the LA or Orange County Press. Riverside County teams play straight up, smash you in the face offenses. Norco who is a Riverside County school won their playoff game today 42-0 and only attempted 3 passes the entire game.

Id like to see North get the shot if they win tonight as I feel theyre more deserving than Canyon but the little troll Sondheim was just on TV pitching Canyons case.

LAX youre the So Cal HS football expert, youre also a Val from canyons neighborhood, do you have an unbiased opinion on who the South should send for D1?

[quote="SoCalTrjn"]California decides this year that they want to crown state champions for the first time in decades.

What? There used to be no State Champs? What used to happen, regional champs?

I'll make a case for Canyon. They beat Moorpark twice. They have been dismantling their competition lately. I know that margian of victory isn't a criteria but strength of schedule is and Canyon has a very good SOS. Obviously their league is very good. Hart made the semis only to lose to Moorpark. Saugus went up to Atascadero a 9-1 league champion and beat them. Canyon also beat Crespi, Chaminade and in the playoffs beat the skunk piss out of Rio Mesa who has Malachi Lewis who is being recruited by everyone and they held him in check. Tonight they held Darrell Scott who had only 3 games this year under 200 yds to 116. Canyon held him under 200 twice. They did lose one game to the fires we had up here so their record should have one more win. They are a very good football team and IMO would beat the hell out of JW North or Carlsbad. Granted I've never seen those two play but Canyon is a very fine football team and when you win a Southern Section championship you've done something special because this is where the best football is played in California.
Canyon's two losses this year were to Notre Dame on a last second 2 Pt. conversion and St. Bonaventure who was upset by Hart in the quarter finals. I think Canyon would be a great pick to represent the southern section vs. De LaSalle. Besides I'd get to call that game like I did tonight.
Maybe I'm a little biased but IMO Canyon deserves a shot. Would Carlsbad or JW North give De LaSalle a game?

WolverineSteve wrote:

SoCalTrjn wrote:California decides this year that they want to crown state champions for the first time in decades.

What? There used to be no State Champs? What used to happen, regional champs?

There has been a state champ named in polls but they havent had teams play for the state title since the 1920's


Too too many schools, there is going to be 47 sectional champions, each of those sectional championships represent 40-50 schools that played in that section

JW North is a Southern Section team, when I was in HS the schools from the Inland area dominated the Southern Section then the divisions were re drawn and they all seemed to be dropped to division 5. a 14-0 team is more deserving than an 11-2 team

Ok so 14-0 is more deserving....but was their level of competition better and who will give De LaSalle a better game?

who is to say whos competition is better, is there a list of intersectional games where you can look and see who is more dominant?

12 years ago the OC schools were supposed to be amazing, the schools like Eisenhower, Fontana and Canyon Springs would play them in the playoffs and just run over everyone.
We had very good teams at El Toro but Coach Johnson said he wanted nothing to do with Fontana or San Gorgonio who played each other for the SS D1 title that year, they ran through the Bishop Amat, Loyola and Fontana beat Edison by 50 points or so in the semis.

So Canyon gets the nod to go vs De La Salle for the south over what I feel were 2 more deserving teams (SD champ Carlsbad and Inland Champ North)

So Lax you heading to the HDC saturday to watch these games? Im betting the southy take division 3 and division 2, De La Salle will romp over a bunch of slow white Val's in the D1 title

in ohio we have 6 divisions and the top 8 in each region (4 regions per division) move on to the playoffs. the top 8 are ranked by some OHSAA computer based ranking system.. all the championship games are played in canton ohio, or Massilion ohio

and have a small fraction of the amount of high schools that Ca has. Theres a reason there hasnt been a state championship game in this state since the 1920's

I think back when I was in HS there were something like 650 schools playing 11 man football in just Southern California

peter dragon wrote:in ohio we have 6 divisions and the top 8 in each region (4 regions per division) move on to the playoffs. the top 8 are ranked by some OHSAA computer based ranking system.. all the championship games are played in canton ohio, or Massilion ohio

The computer system is based on the size of the school you beat and how good they are.

You get a certain amount of points based on the division of the schools you beat (more points for the higher divisions), and then you get secondary points based off of who else the team you beat with the secondary points also based on the divisions of that opponent's opponents.

New York has had sectional playoffs since I was in high school, but the state playoff is relatively new. I think it started sometime in the early 1990's.

I believe we have eight sections. Section V, where I live, has six classes of football teams, although only five are recognized state-wide. Each class has eight teams advanced to the sectional playoffs. Teams are ranked according to a point system which gives you +5 points for a win against a team in your own class, -5 points for a loss against a team in your own class, +6 points for a win against a team in a higher class, -4 points for a loss against a team in a higher class, +4 points for a win against a team in a lower class, and -6 points for a loss against a team in a lower class. The sectional champs in the two highest classes in Section V (AAA and AA) play a super-sectional playoff to determine who goes to the state playoff.

At the state level, the Section V (Rochester-area) champ always plays the Section VI (Buffalo-area) champ, and that game is usually played at Ralph Wilson stadium. The state semifinals and finals are almost always played at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse. Syracuse is the only city of any size that is reasonably close to the geographic center of the state.

So Lax you heading to the HDC saturday to watch these games? Im betting the southy take division 3 and division 2, De La Salle will romp over a bunch of slow white Val's in the D1 title

Yep, but only for the last game, which I will be calling on radio. I think Oaks rolls big and OL does the same thing. Canyon is so beat up right now they look like a MASH unit. I think DLS rolls in this one which is a shame because it's not going to be a true indication of how good Canyon really is. My wife's got a 1:00 Kings game and my son is in Torrance for a soccer tournament. I'm hanging with the other 3 at home.....looks like rain though so things could get thrown for a loop.
Are you going?

Wow LAX, Canyon played a hell of a game, well at least that little wop rb and their defense did. who had de La salle played this year? They looked small and slow, and a dozen teams from Southern California could have beat them.

Got to the HDC at about 10:40 this morning, me my sons (7 and 9) my cousin and his son (11) and with slickers we sat down to watch some great games.

Cardinal Newman was much better than I thought and Claussen is going to be a great stand in for Brady Quinn, puts up big numbers in little games and chokes on dicks in big games, if it wasnt for Jones Cardnial Newman wins that first game.

Orange Lutheran looked like the class of the state in that second game and Im much happier with Aaron Corp coming to USC having seen him and Claussen play on the same field and the same day. O Lu looked awesome but man do I hope that USC goes after Palo Altos' FB, that big Samoan kid was great, 6-0 and 275 lbs of road grater

The final game... we werent that wet and the kids hadnt complained at all, there was plenty of cover, we had the kids in good spirits and they were very excited about the games and we figured... "well at least the South won the first two" so the third one would just be something fun to watch.
Canyon looked larger and faster than De La Salle and they hit much much harder. It was very much like the Oaks Chr/ Cardinal Newman game, everytime a Canyon player hit a De La Salle player it wass loud and you could feel it 20 some rows up. It just seemed like the Cowboys had more heart and wanted it that much more. De La Salle appeared to get hit in the mouth real hard and werent sure of themselves after that. Diluigi was like a wrecking ball, knees flying, arms pumping and though he wasnt fast, he was way too shifty for the DLS guys to get a lick on him. Longshore played like hell in the second half, 3 int's bad pitches but that JJ kid and Canyons defense kept him them ahead in the game.
Great games, amazingly good way to spend a wet December saturday afternoon, watching 3 amazing High School football games.
So Cal 3 No Cal 0

SoCalTrjn wrote:
Cardinal Newman was much better than I thought and Claussen is going to be a great stand in for Brady Quinn, puts up big numbers in little games and chokes on dicks in big games, if it wasnt for Jones Cardnial Newman wins that first game.

It's good to see Cardinal Newman come back to their historical place in California High School football...kinda.

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I was recruited by CN in junior high by some friends I grew up with... who ended up playing for them.

Back then... if you played on the football team, they paid for your tuition to the school.(Fuckin' Catholic schools)

Hell, they even sent me a jersey with a number and my last name on it! I wore the fucker, just to fuck with people.

Since I took four buses to get to school in Marin from San Francisco where my mom lived, and most of the friends I grew up with lived and went to school there. I decided to go to school in San Rafael(Terra Linda HS).

TL(a Marin school) vs. CN(a Sonoma school) was legendary in California High School football history.

Cardinal Newman had won 47 straight games(at the time, a State Record), and we always played them in the finals and lost by 1 to 6 points for 4 years in a row. They had a qb named "Tony Lopez" who at the time was the best HS qb I'd ever seen.

OK, I'm getting drunkenly off track... bottom line.

We took the fucker's down... and ended up (the 2nd ranked team in the state) of 38 million people.

My friends/teammates on that Terra Linda team... Stacey Bailey(Atlanta Falcons) and Greg Loberg(New Orleans Saints)

Did I mention, it was good to see Cardinal Newman back on top?

lol!

So Cal, I was there for the last game. Bummer we couldn't hook up. Canyon played a great game. DLS is a very good program but Canyon is also very good and proved it last night. JJ is an absolute stud and a fantastic kid too. The Canyon kids should be very proud of themselves.
Corp is a special kid. Runner and thrower. SC is getting a pretty damn good QB.

Yeah, I was very impressed with Canyon, they out physicalled DLS, pushed them around.

and some of the female fans in those cowboy hats.... man to be in High School again, my 11 year old nephew was busier pitching woo than watching the game

Canyon is one hell of a program and their coach is very old school. They work their asses off in the weight room and many of their kids are ove 1,000 lbs in the 3 big lifts, including DiLuigi and #34 Pyne who's under 6' and around 175 lbs.

Grant should have been the team to represent Norcal. Frankly, they would have defeated any of the 6 teams who played yesterday. No way DLS should have been the #1 team in the country going into that game. It all seems to boil down to their reputation anymore.

Grant was ranked 3 in the state. They finished 13-0 for the season and won the section championship against Union Mine, 50-0 ( one of six shutouts for the season).Total points scored for the season,591 vs. 67 for opponents.

The tragedy of the "Championship" is that it is not. It is just another lame BCS system where voting decides it, not playing on the field.

If DLS played Grant, Grant would have beaten them and Grant would have played Canyon and likely won. DLS doesn't have anyone who can make a play with sheer physical talent.

many people, even at the game yesterday, thought that Canyon wasnt the best team in the south either

SoCalTrjn wrote:Cardinal Newman was much better than I thought and Claussen is going to be a great stand in for Brady Quinn, puts up big numbers in little games and chokes on dicks in big games, if it wasnt for Jones Cardnial Newman wins that first game.

Great analysis, as usual. Seeing as how Quinn has played one bad game in two years, I find it hard to imagine him "choking dick" in big games. He was not the cause of 3 of the last 4 losses, pounded the shit out of PSU and led 2 late comebacks.

And I don't think Poodle is that sold on Corp, seeing as how he spent 45 minutes the Sunday after the ND/USC game on the phone with Clausen.

But hey, if you want another Rocky Hinds, rock on.