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Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:00 pm**

Dead.

Hope he suffered.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:53 pm**

"Pinochet died with his family at his side at the Santiago Military Hospital on Sunday, a week after suffering a heart attack." "He was 91."

Nishlord wrote: Hope he suffered.

I doubt it.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:18 am**

91 years. Bode him, I 'spose. Anybody pick up the lousy 9 points?

So nish, is your loathing of this bloke due to his being a murderous thug or just a right winger (alledgedly)? Will you be as happy when his fellow latin murderous thug fidel joins him? I'm quite sure that fidel has murderous thuggery 'bode over the general.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:29 pm**

smackaholic wrote:91 years. Bode him, I 'spose. Anybody pick up the lousy 9 points?

JSC got him with the last pick after his earlier pick (Richard Pryor) died prior to the end of '05. viewtopic.php?t=12136&postdays=0&postor ... &start=100

Btw, is anybody doing this for next year?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:53 pm**

Fidel didn't come to power through direct US intervention, though, Smackholic. Fidel came to power in spite of it. Fidel can't be compared to Pinochet. Does it really matter how many lives each of them is responsible for? He had Russian help, but with all the reports coming out about just how flimsy the Soviet deck of cards was in regards to what their true military power was, Fidel was a miracle of 'up yours'ness.

Pinochet (why is Fidel also known by his first name, but Pinochet can only be Pinochet?) was backed by the US government. Any lives lost are also lives lost because of American policy, not just Pinochet' brutalness. That is a greivous sin, to my mind. We should never be allowed to forget why Pinochet came to power in the first place, if we're going to condemn the man for being a bastard. I do not know what the US government has done in atonement for the mistake that is Pinochet. Or is the official position, like cops sticking together after a botched no-knock home entry, that the alternative was worse and he was the best solution at the time against a greater threat?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:36 pm**

So who gets General Pinochet's Cadillac? And does it really only turn right?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:39 pm**

So Allende didn't violate anybody's human rights? Never ordered any murders-, errr, "disappearances"? Didn't enrich himself by confiscating the property of others? Didn't brutally supress his political opposition?

That would make him the first communist dictator EVER who didn't.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:01 pm**

I thought this thread was going to be about the pedophile formerly known as “The 80’s Man”.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:33 pm**

Death saved Pinochet from prosecution.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:49 pm**

Death won't save you from being a fucking dipshit, though

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:05 pm**

Ingse Bodil wrote:Fidel didn't come to power through direct US intervention, though, Smackholic. Fidel came to power in spite of it. Fidel can't be compared to Pinochet. Does it really matter how many lives each of them is responsible for? He had Russian help, but with all the reports coming out about just how flimsy the Soviet deck of cards was in regards to what their true military power was, Fidel was a miracle of 'up yours'ness.

Pinochet (why is Fidel also known by his first name, but Pinochet can only be Pinochet?) was backed by the US government. Any lives lost are also lives lost because of American policy, not just Pinochet' brutalness. That is a greivous sin, to my mind. We should never be allowed to forget why Pinochet came to power in the first place, if we're going to condemn the man for being a bastard. I do not know what the US government has done in atonement for the mistake that is Pinochet. Or is the official position, like cops sticking together after a botched no-knock home entry, that the alternative was worse and he was the best solution at the time against a greater threat?

so is this the latest nick frisco shit troll? doubt it. no obligatory anti-semitic nonsense mixed in.

as for castro, yes, some do call him castro. so fukking what. fidel, castro or just murderous thug pos. he is still just that. not gonna defend pinochet, just because he was america's boy. perhaps he was also a murderous pos. just saying that fidel has definite thug 'bode because he has been running that dump for half a century now.

As for our backing him, would you have been happier if it had been a commie thug assraping chile instead?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:08 pm**

Nishlord wrote:Dead.

Hope he suffered.

The first time you and I have ever agreed on anything, cheers douchelord.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:23 pm**

smackaholic wrote:As for our backing him, would you have been happier if it had been a commie thug assraping chile instead?

I don't want anyone assraping anybody. If we're gonna prop governments up, we should be propping up governments which are an improvement over the alternative. A capitalist dictatorship is still a dictatorship. A murderous capitalist dictatorship is still a murderous dictatorship. If we can't offer improvement, we should have kept our asses out of there; a mighty 'so what?' to the domino theory.

I haven't heard anyone accuse Allende of being the butcher Pinochet was. Was he?

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:25 pm**

Cuda wrote:Death won't save you from being a fucking dipshit, though

You can't confront Terry with anything except personal (and out of place) insults? Are you serious? Either you agree with Terry's point and the article, or you don't agree with Terry's point and the article. Which is it?

mvscal wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote:
Any lives lost are also lives lost because of American policy,
Try again, shitstain....and don't forget to go fuck yourself, you braindead tool.

No. It's our dictatorship, it's our baby. Period. We prop up the leader, we take responsibility for the leader. If you agree with what Cuda says about Pinochet being a better alternative than Allende in the human rights violations department (and worse)... then why not also embrace all that comes with that 'better alternative'? The US made a choice. That choice was Pinochet. He is our baby. His triumphs would have been ours. His complete bastardness should also be ours.

American policy put him in power. America is responsible for everything that came with that usurpation. Bottom line.

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:26 pm**

Ingse Bodil wrote: If we're gonna prop governments up, we should be propping up governments which are an improvement over the alternative.

That's what we did you stupid, braindead fuck

I haven't heard anyone accuse Allende of being the butcher Pinochet was. Was he?

Of course he was; he was a communist. That's what communist dictators DO.

ALL of them

Posted: **Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:59 pm**

cuda, you conservative neanderthal, you. Don't you understand that socialist progressive types like allende are just trying to free their people from the mean nasty conservatives that want to destroy the world? They are occasionally forced to whack some fukker only to defend "the people" or better yet, the chillins.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:11 am**

Cuda wrote:Death won't save you from being a fucking dipshit, though

Tough break for you.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:28 am**

smackaholic wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote:Fidel didn't come to power through direct US intervention, though, Smackholic. Fidel came to power in spite of it. Fidel can't be compared to Pinochet. Does it really matter how many lives each of them is responsible for? He had Russian help, but with all the reports coming out about just how flimsy the Soviet deck of cards was in regards to what their true military power was, Fidel was a miracle of 'up yours'ness.

Pinochet (why is Fidel also known by his first name, but Pinochet can only be Pinochet?) was backed by the US government. Any lives lost are also lives lost because of American policy, not just Pinochet' brutalness. That is a greivous sin, to my mind. We should never be allowed to forget why Pinochet came to power in the first place, if we're going to condemn the man for being a bastard. I do not know what the US government has done in atonement for the mistake that is Pinochet. Or is the official position, like cops sticking together after a botched no-knock home entry, that the alternative was worse and he was the best solution at the time against a greater threat?
so is this the latest nick frisco shit troll? doubt it. no obligatory anti-semitic nonsense mixed in.

Close, but no cigar.

Dollars to donuts says that's the latest incarnation of Annie. Gotta be.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:36 am**

Goober McTuber wrote:I thought this thread was going to be about the pedophile formerly known as “The 80’s Man”.

WHY THREAD INTEREST TUBER?

TENDER KIDDIES?

TUBER MOST PERVERT

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:20 am**

mvscal wrote: He was a thief and a deadbeat who corkscrewed his country straight into the ground, but he was not a killer.

Yes, he stole the rights to the copper mines from their rightful owners, Anaconda and Kennecot Copper, telecommunications from ITT - and gave the profit back to Chileans.

Some thief.

one of Nixons stooges wrote:""Not a nut or a bolt will reach Chile.... We will do all in our power to condemn Chileans to utmost poverty"

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:23 am**

Allende gave the profit back to... Allende

Dumbfuck

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:25 am**

Cuda wrote:Allende gave the profit back to... Allende

Dumbfuck

prove it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:18 am**

Van wrote:
smackaholic wrote:so is this the latest nick frisco shit troll? doubt it. no obligatory anti-semitic nonsense mixed in.
Close, but no cigar.

Dollars to donuts says that's the latest incarnation of Annie. Gotta be.

Thanks for solving that mystery for us, Poirot.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm**

Yeti Beast wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:I thought this thread was going to be about the pedophile formerly known as “The 80’s Man”.
WHY THREAD INTEREST TUBER?

TENDER KIDDIES?

TUBER MOST PERVERT

I’m always interested in slamming internet pedophiles like General Peters and Tardowen. YETI TARD sucks out loud, BTW.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:59 pm**

PJ O'Rourke wrote: Reprint of a 1999 article

A Tale of Two Dictators

Last mnth, former Tanzanian autocrat, Julius Nyerere sought medical treatment in London. This was the same mistake retired Chilean strongman Augusto Pinochet made last year. Britain's highly principled Labor government has laid a cunning trap with it's National Health policy of letting Third World dictators go to the head of the line.

Being highly principled myself, I was overjoyed at the news of Nyerere's illness. I made plane reservations and packed. I was eager to join the anti-Nyrerere demonstratiors who were- I assumed- gathering even then in a large and indignant crowd outside Tanzania's embassy. At last, Julius Nyerere was in a country where international law (with the possible exception of diplomatic immunity) prevails, a country where a man can be brought to book for the evil he has done anywhere on earth (with the possible exception of Belfast)

I missed the Pinochet demonstrations due to scheduling conflicts, sad to say. But now I had a second chance to be in the midst of a group of like-minded individuals where I could kiss and hug everyone and jump up and down with glee in front of television cameras when an old, doddering sick person who used government badly got his deportation order.

Of course, I realized there would be some questions about deporting Nyerere. For instance: to where? Tanzania wouldn't do. Like Chileans, too many Tanzanians are inclined to regard their former oppressor as a national hero. And the chosen country would need a court system that was very highly principled indeed. These are in short supply on the far side of the Sahar. There's South Africa, but Nyerere used to give aid to the African National Congress the way Pinochet gave comfort to the Central Intelligence Agency. Never mind. As Spain has proven vis-a-vis Chile, when it comes to trials for crimes against humanity, any old place in the same general ethnic neck of the woods will do. Perhaps Aruba would provide a judge and jury.

with the Arubans on board, the demonstrations going, and Tony Blair leaning on the Law Lords, the next thing would be to collect ringing condemnations of Nyerere from leading intellectuals. I could forsee a small problem here since the suffering under the Nyerere regime was caused by attacks on private ptoperty. Leading intellectuals tend to be pro-legalization in the matter of property crimes as long as they crime is committed by leading intellectuals who are running a government. But Rose and Milton Friedman might come through. Then it would be Pinochet all over again

Augusto Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende, a communist. Julius Nyerere did worse. He failed to overthrow anybody because the British were so highly principled that they overthrew themselves first. (Although Nyerere did score an assist against the Arab ruling class that was liquidated in Zanzibar)

Gen. Pinochet made people disappear. So did Nyerere. The Chilean gereralissimo did it with secret police. The Tanzanian president-till-whenever did it with agrarian reform. Nyerere nationalized small holdings and ordered farmers off the land and into "villagization" compouds. Thousands of people disappeared as fast as they could- ran off into the bush and stayed there.

Gen Pinochet killed a lot of people. Nyerere didn't bother. He just let people starve to death during the 14 years of abysmal poverty caused by Tanzanian central planning and collectivization.

Gen Pinochet tortured people. Nyerere made people read Mao and listen to World Bank agricultural providers.

Gen Pinochet and Nyerere both gave up power voluntarily, but not until each had turned the nation he'd ruled into... well, a pretty nice country in the case of Chile- strong economy, stable politics, and a successfully privatized social security system. Tanzania is still a mess, though.

Anyawy, I was, as I said, excited about the prospect of imminent justice. Here in the dock (or about to go there) were two great enemies of mankind (All right, near great. Pol Pot they weren't) And then, before I could get to London, Nyerere goes and dies. Not only that, but it turns out there werent any demonstrations against him. And no one had the slightest idea of arresting the man. In fact, accordingto his many long and laudatory obituaries, Nyerere was revered and beloved by all and sundry in every corner of the globe.

What gives? Do you suppose it was the hat? Nyerere went with the no-hatch-on-the-thatch, Jack Kennedy/Mr. Rogers look. Gen Pinochet wore that goosestep louse cage with the scrambledeggs on the brim- a very scary bean topper. It's not hard to think "Nuremburg trials" about a guy with a skimmer like that. I'm pretty sure it was the hat.

Yep- had to be the hat. It's the only logical explanation.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:50 pm**

Smackie Chan wrote:
Van wrote:
smackaholic wrote:so is this the latest nick frisco shit troll? doubt it. no obligatory anti-semitic nonsense mixed in.
Close, but no cigar.

Dollars to donuts says that's the latest incarnation of Annie. Gotta be.
Thanks for solving that mystery for us, Poirot.

Dude did ask so why jump on the messenger?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:43 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote: YETI TARD sucks out loud, BTW.

Yeti Beast isn't Hulk Troll?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:45 pm**

Cuda wrote:
PJ O'Rourke wrote: Reprint of a 1999 article

A Tale of Two Dictators
Gen Pinochet and Nyerere both gave up power voluntarily, but not until each had turned the nation he'd ruled into... well, a pretty nice country in the case of Chile- strong economy, stable politics, and a successfully privatized social security system. Tanzania is still a mess, though.Yep- had to be the hat. It's the only logical explanation.

what??! there's something missing here.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:56 pm**

Ingse Bodil wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote: YETI TARD sucks out loud, BTW.
Yeti Beast isn't Hulk Troll?

Don’t be a fucking tard. Oh, that’s right. You can’t help it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:00 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote: YETI TARD sucks out loud, BTW.
Yeti Beast isn't Hulk Troll?
Don’t be a fucking tard. Oh, that’s right. You can’t help it.

"WHY THREAD INTEREST TUBER?

TENDER KIDDIES?

TUBER MOST PERVERT"

All caps. check.
Truncated english. check.
Interest in unusual sex. check.

It's either Hulk Troll, or Beantown Basher attempting to troll.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:18 pm**

Or any of the _JUNK trolls. Hulk Troll was hilarious. So was Beantard, though often not by design. YETI TARD is just another humorless, copycat, wannabe shit troll run by one of the local tards (ie., The Seer, Titlover, Cicero, Ken, etc.) Not surprised that you can’t tell the difference.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:23 pm**

Cuda wrote:So Allende didn't violate anybody's human rights? Never ordered any murders-, errr, "disappearances"? Didn't enrich himself by confiscating the property of others? Didn't brutally supress his political opposition?

That would make him the first communist dictator EVER who didn't.

Cuda-prick, yer really babs, aren't you? Whatever, as usual you are pathetic and dull. Allende was a duly elected president who never stole or murdered anyone. Pinochet was a brutal murderous dictator who murdered many thousands of innocent men (including Allende) and women. And Henry Kissenger supported him totally.

Get it straight. As usual you dare not attempt to venture from under your slimey rock. Just a sputtered neocon ejaculation followed up by a few terse snipes.

You ARE babs! Ugh.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:38 pm**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Pinochet was a brutal murderous dictator who murdered many thousands of innocent men (including Allende) and women. And Henry Kissenger supported him totally.

So why did P J O'Rourke just praise him?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:41 pm**

Huh?....What, if P.J. O'Rourke, semi-popular sarcastic political writer of a right-wing bent issues a barbed reposte, then...hold on!...maybe Pinochet WASN'T a murderous dictator?

Is that what you're suggesting?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:46 pm**

Pinochet was a brutal murderous dictator who murdered many thousands of innocent men (including Allende)

Coulda swore Allende committed suicide...

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:19 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Because he left his country in much better shape than it was when he took it away from the disasterous fuck up who was running it straight into the ground.

In the end, he threw the Freidman entourage out on their arse and started instituting the Allende reforms - free from outside interference.

And yes, Allende was a fuck up. So much for social democracy - if Allende had bothered to read Lenin, he would have brought the big fuck off hammer and sickle down and started shooting. He'd probably still be alive today, like Fidel.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:45 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Dr_Phibes wrote:In the end, he threw the Freidman entourage out on their arse and started instituting the Allende reforms - free from outside interference.

Link?

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:42 am**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Huh?....What, if P.J. O'Rourke, semi-popular sarcastic political writer of a right-wing bent issues a barbed reposte, then...hold on!...maybe Pinochet WASN'T a murderous dictator?

Is that what you're suggesting?

I bought a book by him a long time ago. He's funny as hell; I don't agree with him on everything, but he knows how to make you chuckle as you think (or wish him tossed in front of a train). The point isn't Pinochet not being a murderous dictator.... PJ doesn't say he isn't; he does say that he left his country in better shape than when he took it over.

That doesn't sound right, is what I'm saying. It's 'Hitler made the trains run on time' logic. Dictators -- brutal dictators -- don't generally do right by their countries or countrymen, so there has to be something missing in the equation 'Chile - Allende + Pinochet +/- _________ = Stability +/- _______'.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:10 am**

Ingse Bodil wrote: 'Hitler made the trains run on time' .

That was Mussolini, dumbass.

Posted: **Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:06 pm**

Cuda wrote:
Ingse Bodil wrote: 'Hitler made the trains run on time' .
That was Mussolini, dumbass.

How's an Italian get over on a German when it comes to.... nevermind. I thought it was Hitler who made the trains run on time, and I'm not going to check just now on google. Just now. But stolen lives, all the deaths,the torture camps, the disappeared persons,the anguish and suffering... that's an evil person, and social security reform isn't worth what came with Pinochet. Pinochet didn't suddenly mellow while being dictator did he?

I don't know much about Chilean history, though. Who replaced Pinochet, he couldn't have been dictator for life.

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