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Iran is holding a flat earth society version of "the holocaust never happened." There are some anti jeweish rabbis attending, and some american writers who contend that the holocaust never took place. David Duke is attending.

Now, I've seen the huge piles of bodies, and the camps with the skeleton men, and read some of the accounts of those who went though it, yet historian David Irving of Britain is in prison for 3 years for claiming there were no gas chambers. How exactly can anyone say Jews weren't persecuted and killed, especiually when Hitler himself called them inferior and making regular pronouncements about getting rid of them?


Hello! Looks like someone has been editing wiki. Here's the first summary section on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_ ... ation_camp

Concentration camps are a fabrication brought on by the propagnda of the British Military during WWII, to change the mass psychological paradigm, to raise Allied moral. Reasons behind this were: Raising allied moral, changing a new generation's perspective on racism, facism, and nationalism, and giving the United States of America, and allowing post-WWII Germany to be less more biased against Germany's supposed war crimes.

There are some anti jeweish rabbis attending

They are anti-Israel, not anti-Jewish. However, their presence at a seminar that denies the Holocaust is bizarre.

Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated, I'd say they were both.

But what I don't see is the insistence by some westerners that something which has visual as well as written and first hand account verification is believed to not have happened. I get why Iran is trying to stir up anti israeli propaganda, but to say the holocaust didn't happen is just absurd.

it's not just muslims at this conference. There are some western historians and writers there who have supposedly researched this and found some evidence to support their claims.

I'm just not seeing their proof has any basis in reality, that's all.

It's all very TVO-ish.

All those films and stills of emaciated and dead bodies and stuff?

Wakey wakey. They're fabrications created in Hollywood by Sam Goldwyn, Louis B Mayer and Jack Warner.

Tell me you knew.

Mister Bushice wrote:Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated...

He never said that.



Ever.

I guess the old couple living a few doors away from us when we were kids had those tattoos on their wrists done for fun. Huh.

Mister Bushice wrote:I guess the old couple living a few doors away from us when we were kids had those tattoos on their wrists done for fun. Huh.

They prolly could have washed them of if they wanted.

Martyred wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated...

He never said that.



Ever.

Sorry dude, but your brother in arms said it today at the conference. cry on:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061212/ap_ ... conference

Mister Bushice wrote:
Sorry dude, but your brother in arms said it today at the conference.

Bull

Fucking

Shit

I know the quote. Here it is:

" The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom,"

Ahmadinejad distinguishes between "Jews" and "the Zionist Regime". As in, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.

He is capable of that delineation. Apparently, no one in your retarded country, is.

You know, like when Bush declared his intention to crush the Baathist Reghime, he didn't mean "a river of Muslim blood" encompassing all Iraqis/Arabs.

But don't let me stop you Americans from felching Israel. By all means, send your kids to get shredded to ribbons for their "security".

I'm sure they're very grateful.

x whatever percentage of your GDP you fork over to them as tribute





Suckers.

Martyred wrote:, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews..

Not all A-rabs are muzzies either, but pretty damn near all terrorists have been muzzies

Actually, they do, Iran has a Jewish population - I seem to recall them being quite offended when the Zionists planted that bullshit story about them being forced to wear colour-coded armbands, patches, or whatever it was.

It's also odd that this wave of anti-Iran media stories comes two days after Olmerts very public whinging.

Dr_Phibes wrote:... this wave of anti-Iran media stories...

This wave of anti-Iran media stories is manufactured by Americans, for American consumption.

The rest of the planet has no time for this sort of jibberish.

I told you all last month that Olmert was in town to stiffen Dubya's backbone.



Pay attention.

Dr_Phibes wrote:Actually, they do, Iran has a Jewish population.

Doesn't change the fact that Ahmedinejihad has called for the elimination of Israel and by proxy, the Jews living there.

Martyred wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:
Sorry dude, but your brother in arms said it today at the conference.

Bull

Fucking

Shit

I know the quote. Here it is:

" The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom,"

Ahmadinejad distinguishes between "Jews" and "the Zionist Regime". As in, not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.

He is capable of that delineation. Apparently, no one in your retarded country, is.

Uhh, Perk, let's go back to Bushice's original post, shall we?

Mister Bushice wrote:Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated,

That's Israel, as in not all Jews, just Israel.

You were saying?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated,

That's Israel, as in not all Jews, just Israel.

You were saying?

Ahmadinajad never said that. Stop lying.

Eliminated, wiped out... whateverm

What I wouldn't give to see the totally fucking surprised look on Ahmedinejihad's face* the day the Mullahs decide he's outlived his usefulness to them




*severed head

Martyred wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:Given that Ahmedinejihad got a warm round of applause when he stated that israel would soon be eliminated,

That's Israel, as in not all Jews, just Israel.

You were saying?

Ahmadinajad never said that. Stop lying.

Lessee here:

"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom," Ahmadinejad said during Tuesday's meeting in his offices, according to the official IRNA news agency.

He called for elections among "Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner."

"Zionist regime"? Codespeak for Israel. Anyone with two functioning brain cells knows that.

"Palestine"? Do I really have to explain that one to you?

He may not have used the exact same words Bushice used, but the gist of what he said was the same.

The words I used are the words everyone is using, because he has said them or versions of them in speeches in the past. Perhaps this time he substituted "Zionist regime" for the word "Israel", That doesn't change the intent one whit.

Here's a selection of quotes from past speeches by this nutcase:

We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them.

* Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.


* Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations.


* The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.


* If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated.


* Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed.


* Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm.

The bulk of the above quotes are from a speech he made in 2005. Here is an article linking the event:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php

and another article, much the same info, but there are a lot of sources out there on the net proving he DID say these things:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... p?ID=25704


Move to Egypt, Marty. You'll be in good company there, next to de Nile.

It's always a shame when a nutjob is speaking to truth. But, the anti-Zionists are EXACTLY like the anti-Apartheidists in the '70's. And when the call is made for "the elimination" of an apartheid state, it certainly doesn't necessarily imply a bloodbath--or violence at all. As with the regime in South Africa, and the massive Soviet machine, bloodshed was unnecessary to "eliminate" the repressive, vile regime in question.

And now it's Israel's turn.

What the Iranian nutjob president asks front and center every time--and is just as routinely ignored in Western media analysis--is the question: Why should Palestine pay for Germany's crimes? Deal with that and at least you'll be discussing the real issue.

As for being "denialists," this loaded term is a generally used as a smear. Neither the Iranians nor David Irving, nor David Duke have ever denied that grotesque and evil crimes were visited upon the Jews of Europe by the Nazis. Where disagreement arises is the--very weak--distinction between mass labor implemented at gun-point (with tremendous atrition), and concentration for extermination, period. Obviously the Germans were much too efficient for that.

What the "conference" was actually about was the USE of the holocaust by Israel as a carte blanch justification for...anything itwants to do. Like secretly--and completely illegally--building 200-300 nukes, etc.

So that makes it legal? You're pathetic. Hunker down, babs, with Olmert and the Likud Zionazis as they hysterically Surge into another disasterous year for their warped, ecstasy-riddled, apartheid state.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:So that makes it legal? You're pathetic. Hunker down, babs, with Olmert and the Likud Zionazis as they hysterically Surge into another disasterous year for their warped, ecstasy-riddled, apartheid state.

Palestinians keep lobbing rockets into israel. The last ones the other day injured several children, and also violated the cease fire terms.

There's no justification for that no matter what the past history is, and when Israel responds in like kind to try and send the message to those idiots to stop doing it because the response is always going to be worse, israel gets called out for it.

Israel isn't going away anytime soon but unless the muslim world comes to terms with that fact, there will always be violence and death over there.

Mister Bushice wrote: Israel isn't going away anytime soon but unless the muslim world comes to terms with that fact, there will always be violence and death over there, for American soldiers.

FTFY

worst ftfy ever.

Mister Bushice wrote:worst ftfy ever.

Because it's true, and you know it.

Sure, Americans will be killed as long as muslims hate us. Can't change that. But then again 10 times as many arabs will be killed by their own hands for the same reason (hate), or for no reason at all.

That's why your ftfy is so bad.

Mister Bushice wrote:Sure, Americans will be killed as long as muslims hate us.

Ever asked yourself why they hate you?

Does the answer frighten and/or embarrass you?

Why don't you tell us Marty, I think I know why they "hate" us, but your answers are typically more accurate and precise than mine.

TIA

Tom In VA wrote:Why don't you tell us Marty, I think I know why they "hate" us, but your answers are typically more accurate and precise than mine.

TIA

You prop up their rotten regimes.

You'd rather have "presidents-for-life" like Mubarek, and military dictators like Musharaf than populist progressives like
Mossadeq and Nasser.

It's no surprise that Quaddafi "hugged and made up" with the Bush junta.

Martyred wrote:
You prop up their rotten regimes.

Oh, you mean just like we do Canada...?

Tellya what Marty: Try runnin' your pat li'l progressive idealism past Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and let us know how all that works out for ya...

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Why don't you tell us Marty, I think I know why they "hate" us, but your answers are typically more accurate and precise than mine.

TIA

You prop up their rotten regimes.

You'd rather have "presidents-for-life" like Mubarek, and military dictators like Musharaf than populist progressives like
Mossadeq and Nasser.

It's no surprise that Quaddafi "hugged and made up" with the Bush junta.

Gee. And there I was thinking that their warped interpretation of the Koran had something to do with it...

Terry in Crapchester wrote: He may not have used the exact same words Bushice used, but the gist of what he said was the same.

Not at all. The quotes come from a massive cross section of media, but a single source is doing all the translating. 'Memri' passes itself off as a wire service, but take a look at who's running it.

A brief history from the Guardian.

Though Memri claims to be "independent", its founders were Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in Israeli military intelligence - who is currently its director - and Meyrav Wurmser, an ardent Zionist who helped to draft the now-famous 1996 Clean Break document proposing the overthrow of Saddam Hussein as a step towards reshaping Israel's strategic environment.

Meyrav Wurmser also happens to be David Wurmsers wife.

Here is a detailed list of people farting about with Ahmadinejads words. Things have been added, subtracted and deliberately manipulated:

http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galer ... -0013.html

The sources for the above are extensive and impeccable.

Also - an interview with Ahmadinejad from 'Der Speigel', published this past summer:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 ... 60,00.html

It's lengthy and goes into great detail about his attitude and policy towards Isreal, as well as the reason for the 'holocaust investigation' - something you won't find in the American press. In no way does it match any of this 'wiped off the map' dogwank.

You don't think it's a bit silly to base a foreign policy upon a sentence fragment from a newspaper? Or is it more likely that the propaganda is tailored to the policy?

Oh come on now, Phibes, the guy is a nut case. He goes on about how the iranians "Want peace" while his countrymen fuel the fires of civil war in iraq. He has conditions and demands unconnected with the iraq conflict that have to be met in order for iran to provide any assistance towards peace in iraq. Clerics in iran have openly declared support for shiite insurgents in iraq. What kind of peace loving is that?

He says germans now should not pay for the sins of their forefathers, yet he wants israelis living now to pay for what happened 60 years ago.

he is inferring israel should no longer exist because of what happened 60 years ago, yet he isn't asking for the map of europe to be re-drawn back to what it was before WWI is he?

Contradictions and propaganda. Pick a side, they
both do it, but this guy is just another politician.

take this part:

SPIEGEL: Well, if we tried to work out where people have come from, the Europeans would have to return to east Africa where all humans originated.

AHMADINEJAD: We're not talking about the Europeans; we're talking about the Palestinians. The Palestinians were there, in Palestine. Now 5 million of them have become refugees. Don't they have a right to live?

He has an agenda, and he bends his words the way he wants. He wants to roll the clock back to the years before the present state of Israel existed completely ignoring the centuries prior to that where the land has changed hands and been inhabited by many. You go back far enough and you'll find that Jews were probably the first religious group there.

Just because he arbitrarily selected 1956 as his benchmark timeline of reality means nothing.

Why not roll the clock back to the 1840s when the Jews were the majority of the population there? oops, can't do that.

Your article proves nothing, although I would agree western media has probably interpreted much of what has been said of him, he hasn't helped his cause by his veiled inferences and his vague accusations. Bottom line it is true he wants Israel gone, and if the ruling Islamic theocracy supports a specific sect in a bloody civil war, they aren't really a peace loving people.

You can't possibly believe this guy is the saint he paints himself to be, do you?

We won't mention the whole embassy burning, hostage taking he was a part of back in the 70's....

Dr. P = $

Bushice, you're somehow mistaking the Zionist race-state expreriment known as Israel for "the Jews," a vague but basically innocent bystander.

The modern state of Israel is nothing more than a criminal consortium, and has been from its conception fifty-eight years ago.

From outright murder to blackmail, spying, stealing, drug-dealing, weapons brokering, sex-trade, and money-laundering, the utterly vile ZioNazi state of Israel has caused NOTHING but terror, suffering, and geo-political instability every single day of its existence.

Before the rash and illegal inception of this hideous Nazi-like state, the Jews of (actual) Middle Eastern descent lived peacefully and prosperously among the Arab world.

Did you know that prior to 1950 the population of Baghdad was one third Jewish? No problems at all. Nothing.

The Zionists have caused ALL of the current strife. And the utterly moronic Christers in this nation have facillitated this disasterous situation.

WAKE THE FUCK UP NOW!!!!!