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R-Jack wrote:

Mikey wrote:100,000 to whomever first comes up with the actual video.

Toddowen wrote:

Inge Bodil wrote: Is there another way of uncorking a bottle that doesn't involve a specially designed utensil?

I'd think a bent nail might do the job.

I also had one glass of wine at a pizza party at work last Friday.

I've just lost the desire to drink heavily. I'm sick of waking the next morning like a sick and dazed grumpy grizzly shaking off the effects of a stunted metabolism.

Inge Bodil wrote:

Mikey wrote:100,000 to whomever first comes up with the actual video.

That's disgusting. What's the point of watching him hang? To gloat? To get one's rocks off? Is it justice behind people here in the United States... people who were never on the receiving end of what he did to his own people ... watching him die? or just some old fashioned rubber necking?

maybe the UFC should allow actual killings in the ring. is there a genetic reason for the fascination with watching someone else die?

Mikey wrote:

Inge Bodil wrote:

Mikey wrote:100,000 to whomever first comes up with the actual video.

That's disgusting. What's the point of watching him hang? To gloat? To get one's rocks off? Is it justice behind people here in the United States... people who were never on the receiving end of what he did to his own people ... watching him die? or just some old fashioned rubber necking?

maybe the UFC should allow actual killings in the ring. is there a genetic reason for the fascination with watching someone else die?

Acutally I'm against capital punishment, though if anybody ever deserved it this "man" did.

That being said, I think that all executions should be publicly broadcast if not actually performed on the public square. And I think that lethal injections should be outlawed in favor of hanging, beheading, drawing and quartering or old smokey. If we as a society are going to demand death as a punishment for our criminals we should be able, if not forced, to see the results. Lethal injection in private is too easy. If made to witness what we are actually condoning maybe some of those who shout most loudly in their bloodlust for punishment and justice, especially those who gloss themselves "Christians", might have a change of tune. Or they might not. But at least we should be honest with ourselves about what we are doing.

SunCoastSooner wrote: Now the rest of you bleeding hearts and troll jobs can take a nice swipe at me and I'll sit back and take a gander at that sorry SOB, who is the reason I've lost two cousins in the last 18 months, fall like a ton of bricks from the podium he swung from.

Mikey wrote:Acutally I'm against capital punishment, though if anybody ever deserved it this "man" did.

That being said, I think that all executions should be publicly broadcast if not actually performed on the public square. And I think that lethal injections should be outlawed in favor of hanging, beheading, drawing and quartering or old smokey. If we as a society are going to demand death as a punishment for our criminals we should be able, if not forced, to see the results. Lethal injection in private is too easy. If made to witness what we are actually condoning maybe some of those who shout most loudly in their bloodlust for punishment and justice, especially those who gloss themselves "Christians", might have a change of tune. Or they might not. But at least we should be honest with ourselves about what we are doing.

Sun Coast Sooner wrote:I agree that executions should be televisied or in a public square... it's a great deterrent against violent crime.

mvscal wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:And petty theft was one crime for which the death penalty applied. Yet the pickpockets were most prevalent during the public executions, because they had a captive audience.

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Check back in when you get a fucking clue.

American Law and Economics Review V4 N2 2002 (295-313)
© 2002 American Law and Economics Association

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Article

The Deterrence Hypothesis and Picking Pockets at the Pickpocket's Hanging
David A. Anderson

Abstract

The tenet that harsher penalties could substantially reduce crime rates rests on the assumption that currently active criminals weigh the costs and benefits of their contemplated acts. Existing and proposed crime strategies exhibit this belief, as does a large and growing segment of the crime literature. This study examines the premise that criminals make informed and calculated decisions. The findings suggest that 76% of active criminals and 89% of the most violent criminals either perceive no risk of apprehension or are incognizant of the likely punishments for their crimes.

(click to read the actual subject matter, at the link above. no one will -- i didn't -- but it's there if you want to.)

mvscal wrote: We didn't hang pickpockets, you stupid fuck.

http://www.sover.net/~foodsong/death.htm

...Dean's position is indicative of the new '90s view on the death penalty, which acknowledges that the death penalty is not a deterrent to murder but must be used as retribution and to satisfy the victim's family.

This is a significant change ini attitude. For well over 2,000 years, the death penalty was viewed as a deterrent; executions were intentionally held in public before large crowds. Yet the history books note that at a time when pickpockets were executed, other pickpockets worked the crowd at the scaffold where their colleague was being hung. In 1866, a royal commission reported that of 167 people executed that year, 164 had witnessed an execution.

Executions were gradually withdrawn from the public eye, carried out in remote prisons before a handful of witnesses in the middle of the night. In our century, Western democracies, one by one, went further and abolished capital punishment altogether. South Africa's new government, led by ex-prisoner Nelson Mandela, declared the death penalty unconstitutional a month ago, making us the last developed nation to have the death penalty....

http://idlespeculations-terryprest.blog ... ution.html

In 1845, whilst in Rome, Dickens witnessed an execution of a murderer. The murder itself was callous and brutal. A thief trailed, robbed then killed an elderly Bavarian lady on her way by foot and travelling alone whilst on pilgrimage to Rome. The execution is described in a quite matter of fact way - which seems to be the attitude of the spectators. He writes as follows:

(IB writes: I've just deleted a lot of text. the complete text is at the url above)
...Women and children fluttered, on the skirts of the scanty crowd. One large muddy spot was left quite bare, like a bald place on a man’s head. A cigar-merchant, with an earthen pot of charcoal ashes in one hand, went up and down, crying his wares. A pastry-merchant divided his attention between the scaffold and his customers. Boys tried to climb up walls, and tumbled down again. Priests and monks elbowed a passage for themselves among the people, and stood on tiptoe for a sight of the knife: then went away. Artists, in inconceivable hats of the middle-ages, and beards (thank Heaven!) of no age at all, flashed picturesque scowls about them from their stations in the throng. One gentleman (connected with the fine arts, I presume) went up and down in a pair of Hessian-boots, with a red beard hanging down on his breast, and his long and bright red hair, plaited into two tails, one on either side of his head, which fell over his shoulders in front of him, very nearly to his waist, and were carefully entwined and braided!

Eleven o’clock struck and still nothing happened. A rumour got about, among the crowd, that the criminal would not confess; in which case, the priests would keep him until the Ave Maria (sunset); for it is their merciful custom never finally to turn the crucifix away from a man at that pass, as one refusing to be shriven, and consequently a sinner abandoned of the Saviour, until then. People began to drop off .......He had refused to confess, it seemed, without first having his wife brought to see him; and they had sent an escort for her, which had occasioned the delay.

He immediately kneeled down, below the knife. His neck fitting into a hole, made for the purpose, in a cross plank, was shut down, by another plank above; exactly like the pillory. Immediately below him was a leathern bag. And into it his head rolled instantly.

The executioner was holding it by the hair, and walking with it round the scaffold, showing it to the people, before one quite knew that the knife had fallen heavily, and with a rattling sound.

When it had travelled round the four sides of the scaffold, it was set upon a pole in front—a little patch of black and white, for the long street to stare at, and the flies to settle on....

Nobody cared, or was at all affected. There was no manifestation of disgust, or pity, or indignation, or sorrow. My empty pockets were tried, several times, in the crowd immediately below the scaffold, as the corpse was being put into its coffin. It was an ugly, filthy, careless, sickening spectacle; meaning nothing but butchery beyond the momentary interest, to the one wretched actor. Yes! Such a sight has one meaning and one warning. Let me not forget it. The speculators in the lottery, station themselves at favourable points for counting the gouts of blood that spirt out, here or there; and buy that number. It is pretty sure to have a run upon it.

(more text deleted by IB)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_pu ... ted_States

...The largest single execution in United States history was the hanging of thirty-eight Dakota people convicted of murder and rape in the Sioux Uprising. They were executed simultaneously on December 26, 1862 in Mankato, Minnesota. A single blow from an axe cut the rope that held the large four-sided platform, and the prisoners (except for one whose rope had broken, and who consequently had to be restrung) fell to their deaths.[7] The second largest mass execution in United States history was also a hanging: the execution of 13 African American soldiers for their parts in the Houston Riot. Notably, both incidents involved ethnic minority defendants, and military tribunal judgements in time of war....

METHODS

Various methods have been used in the history of the American colonies and the United States but only five methods are currently used. Historically, burning, pressing, gibbeting or hanging in chains, breaking on wheel and bludgeoning were used for a small number of executions, while hanging was the most common method. The last person burned to death was a black slave in South Carolina in August 1825. The last person to be hung in chains was a murderer named John Marshall in West Virginia on April 4, 1913....

Reference 7. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... akota.html

The Dakota Conflict Trials of 1862. Retrieved on 2006-07-17.

Mace wrote:It's impossible to accurately state how many people are deterred from committing crimes due to the punishment because we have no idea how many people actually contemplate crimes but never commit them. We only have data from people who actually get caught.....a true captive audience.

Mace

mvscal wrote:

Ingke Bodil wrote:I just think you have intentionally decided to misconstrue Terry's point, his overriding point about crime, punishment, deterrence.

He has no point. That fact criminals are not deterred by any form of punishment is hardly a valid reason to cease executing them.

Again, why do you always seek to fight Terry?

Because he is a pussy and an idiot.

Sun Coast Sooner, who begat this tangent, wrote:
I agree that executions should be televisied or in a public square... it's a great deterrent against violent crime.

Terry, in response, quoting a half-remembered radio program wrote:I heard this on the radio while coming home from work the other day, and I'm not sure how much truth there is in it (although I suspect at least some of it is true), but . . .

Once upon a time in this country, executions were a public spectacle. And petty theft was one crime for which the death penalty applied. Yet the pickpockets were most prevalent during the public executions, because they had a captive audience.

And that's the point where you, jumping in with a typical (for you) anti-Terry knee-jerk response, wrote:Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Check back in when you get a fucking clue.

Mace wrote:It's impossible to accurately state how many people are deterred from committing crimes due to the punishment

smackaholic wrote:Annie, you cut and paste away in defense of terry's absurd statement that pickpockets were executed, yet every single example you site talks about murderers.

Best KYOA job I've seen in a while.

smackaholic wrote:Annie, you cut and paste away in defense of terry's absurd statement that pickpockets were executed, yet every single example you site talks about murderers.

Best KYOA job I've seen in a while.

Screw_Michigan wrote: why can't we ban her as well and get this shit over with? good lord, between her and guntslinger, there's enough stupidity to fill a third world country.

mvscal wrote:

Ingke Bodil wrote: Death is not going to be a deterrent for a significant (if not majority) number of the population -- especially if the rewards of the crime outweigh the possibility of being caught for the crime.

..but prison is a deterrent? Just shut the fuck up, idiot. You are, as usual, completely clueless.

mvscal wrote:

Terry in Crapchester wrote:And petty theft was one crime for which the death penalty applied. Yet the pickpockets were most prevalent during the public executions, because they had a captive audience.

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Check back in when you get a fucking clue.

Ingke Bodil wrote:http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont ... ct/4/2/295

American Law and Economics Review V4 N2 2002 (295-313)
© 2002 American Law and Economics Association

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Article

The Deterrence Hypothesis and Picking Pockets at the Pickpocket's Hanging
David A. Anderson

Abstract

The tenet that harsher penalties could substantially reduce crime rates rests on the assumption that currently active criminals weigh the costs and benefits of their contemplated acts. Existing and proposed crime strategies exhibit this belief, as does a large and growing segment of the crime literature. This study examines the premise that criminals make informed and calculated decisions. The findings suggest that 76% of active criminals and 89% of the most violent criminals either perceive no risk of apprehension or are incognizant of the likely punishments for their crimes.

(click to read the actual subject matter, at the link above. no one will -- i didn't -- but it's there if you want to.)

Why do you nip at Terry's heels, mvscal? :?

Terry in Crapchester wrote:That's what board bitches do. Mvscal knows his role well.

Ingke Bodil wrote:Terry's statement was about pickpockets working the crowd at a pickpocket's execution, because of the captive audience.

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Once upon a time in this country, executions were a public spectacle. And petty theft was one crime for which the death penalty applied.