T1B

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm**

Stoops, Brown, Callahan, Hawkins, Fran, Leach

Not a bad group there. Same # of NC as the SEC...for now

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:12 pm**

By the way, no one has put the SEC conference down. Certain FACTS have been brought about their pussy OOC scheduling and refusal to travel OOC. Those are not debateable. The SEC is a strong conference with cream puff OOC scheduling close to home.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:38 pm**

Big 10

Tressel
Carr
Ferentz
Joe Pa

A couple of conferences can make that claim. The SEC has some great coaches but I am just tired of it's fans thinking their teams deserve to play on Sundays.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:46 pm**

Season over? Hell, it's just beginning.

Sin,
Mack Brown - 10 time defending recruiting national champ

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:47 pm**

We all know that because of Tedford the PAC 10 only needs one coach to be considered the greatest conference for coaches...boy are you guys stupid...

While other conferences have some good depth at the top...I think the SEC has the most quality throughout...heck you can even add Fulmer to that list if you want...and perhaps Les Miles...I know it is only year 2 but we shall see what he has got when he starts getting his own kids in there...

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:58 pm**

Let's take a look at 5 of the SEC's top programs shall we over the last 5 years...

AUBURN
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2006 Washington St, Buffalo, Tulane, Arkansas St. (All at home)
2005 Georgia Tech (Lost), Ball St., Western Kentucky (All at home)
2004 La-Monroe, Citadel, La Tech (All at home)
2003 USC (Lost), Western Kentucky, La-Monroe, Georgia Tech (road loss)
2002 USC (road loss), Western california, Syracuse, La-Monroe

4 quality OOC opponents in last 5 years, 2 at home and 2 on road...all losses. Practically no travel. 18 OOC games and travel to only 2 of them.

GEORGIA
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2006 Western KY, UAB, Colorado (All at home)
2005 Boise St., La-Monroe, Ga Tech (road)
2004 Ga Southern, Marshall, Ga Tech (all at home)
2003 Clemson (road win), Mi. Tenn. St., Ga Tech (road win), UAB
2002 Clemson, Northwestern St., New Mexico St, Ga Tech (All at home)

In last 5 years, 1 decent OOC schedule, but Ga Tech is in state rival game every year. Still very little travel.

FLORIDA
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2006 Southern Miss, Central Fla, Western Carolina, FSU (road win)
2005 Wyoming, La tech, FSU (All at home)
2004 Eastern Mich, Mid Tenn. St., FSU (road)
2003 San Jose St, Miami Fl (road loss), Fla A&M, FSU (loss)
2002 UAB, Miami (Loss), Ohio, FSU (road loss)

Last OOC game outside the state of Florida was in 1989 vs. Memphis. Pathetic.

ALABAMA
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2006 HAwaii, LA Monroe, Duke, FIU (All at home)
2005 Mid Tenn St., Southern Miss, Utah St. (All at home)
2004 Utah St., Western Carolina, Southern Miss (All at home)
2003 South Fla (Birmingham), Oklahoma, Northern Illinois, Southern Miss (All at home)
2002 Oklahoma (road loss), Mid Tenn St., North Texas, Southern Miss

In last 5 years, only 1 OOC road game and it was a loss. Pathetic.

LSU
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2006 U La-La, Arizona, Tulane, Fresno St. (All at home)
2005 ASU (road win), North TX, Appalachian St.
2004 Oregon St., Arkansas St., Troy St. (All at home)
2003 La Monroe, Arizona (road win), Western Illinois, La Tech
2002 Va Tech (road loss), Citadel, Miami (OH), U La-La

Only team with DECENT travel. They went to AZ twice in 5 years and Virginia once.

All in all, let's look at the numbers over the lats 5 years for the 5 heavyweights in the SEC.

Auburn 14-4 with 2 road losses Impressive wins (none)
Georgia 16-0 3 road games, 2 of which is Ga Tech which occurs every 2 years Impressive wins (Ga Tech (2), Clemson (2))
Florida 14-4 All 4 losses were to FSU and Miami, in state rivals. No travel since I started growing hair on my balls.
Alabama 17-1 Only OOC travel was to Norman and they lost. Other 17 were at home. Pffffft!
LSU 17-1 Traveled to ASU, AZ and Va Tech where they went 2-1. Other 15 games were at home. THIS is the SEC's most impressive travelling team.

PLEASE don't tell me the SEC plays quality OOC games AND travels. I agree the SEC is a tough in conference schedule, but quit trying to say you don't pad the win column with deaf high school teams.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:11 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:Hell, Miles, Tuberville, Nutt could be included.

I'm going to have to see Meyer actually win with his goofy option offense before I pass any judgement there. He walked into a pile of talent. Richt recruits well, but his on field coaching is suspect. Miles...well, a blind monkey could win with the talent LSU has no rival for in-state. Consider, however, that Tuberville has a winning record against just about every coach in the SEC, has to recruit against a fanatical pro-Alabama press and in-state high school coaching association, and play with mostly passovers from Florida, FSU and Georgia, and I'd have to put him up there with Spurrier as the best coach in the SEC. His name doesn't get all the flash of a Spurrier or Saban, but he's 3-3 against Steve and 3-2 against Saban...without nearly the natural talent bases either of them enjoyed.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:20 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:It's freakin' ridiculous in the SEC.

Y'all can put the conference down all you want, but coaches, players, announcers, analysts, etc. all know which conference is the best.

I think it's pretty obvious when coaches like Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Richt, etc. land down here.

Wonder what my autographed pic of Spurrier when he won the Heisman is worth these days? Got it right after he won it in '66. Checked e-bay and no one has the one I've got.

Pace your self Sam or you will hurt your self. I dig your joy man but at least let Nick get his underware and socks out of his suitcase.

War 92,000 at the Bama spring game this year.

Hey, when's Pete Carroll coming? :wink:

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:21 pm**

The thing about pedigreed coaches is, they're still dealing with the manifold foibles of 18-22 year old kids.

These days, a lot of kids don't "get" an old guy like Paterno. Yes, he's Joe Paterno, but there's a point where the kid has to focus and just kick some ass on the football field, regardless of who the coach is.

A guy like Weis might have a "great offensive mind"...but that doesn't always translate into on-field greatness.

I often think that the smaller conferences have some of the best coaches. Here are guys who are in the thick of things, with diminished resources and scant attention paid to their efforts...and they are scrapping for every win.

People didn't understand what a guy like Jim Tressel brought to the table when he took the OSU job. If you can succeed consistently in 1-A, then you have definitely learned a lot about coaching, IMO.

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:39 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:Let's take a look at 5 of the SEC's top programs shall we over the last 5 years...

AUBURN
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2006 Washington St, Buffalo, Tulane, Arkansas St. (All at home)
2005 Georgia Tech (Lost), Ball St., Western Kentucky (All at home)
2004 La-Monroe, Citadel, La Tech (All at home)
2003 USC (Lost), Western Kentucky, La-Monroe, Georgia Tech (road loss)
2002 USC (road loss), Western california, Syracuse, La-Monroe

4 quality OOC opponents in last 5 years, 2 at home and 2 on road...all losses. Practically no travel. 18 OOC games and travel to only 2 of them.

GEORGIA
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2006 Western KY, UAB, Colorado (All at home)
2005 Boise St., La-Monroe, Ga Tech (road)
2004 Ga Southern, Marshall, Ga Tech (all at home)
2003 Clemson (road win), Mi. Tenn. St., Ga Tech (road win), UAB
2002 Clemson, Northwestern St., New Mexico St, Ga Tech (All at home)

In last 5 years, 1 decent OOC schedule, but Ga Tech is in state rival game every year. Still very little travel.

FLORIDA
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2006 Southern Miss, Central Fla, Western Carolina, FSU (road win)
2005 Wyoming, La tech, FSU (All at home)
2004 Eastern Mich, Mid Tenn. St., FSU (road)
2003 San Jose St, Miami Fl (road loss), Fla A&M, FSU (loss)
2002 UAB, Miami (Loss), Ohio, FSU (road loss)

Last OOC game outside the state of Florida was in 1989 vs. Memphis. Pathetic.

ALABAMA
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2006 HAwaii, LA Monroe, Duke, FIU (All at home)
2005 Mid Tenn St., Southern Miss, Utah St. (All at home)
2004 Utah St., Western Carolina, Southern Miss (All at home)
2003 South Fla (Birmingham), Oklahoma, Northern Illinois, Southern Miss (All at home)
2002 Oklahoma (road loss), Mid Tenn St., North Texas, Southern Miss

In last 5 years, only 1 OOC road game and it was a loss. Pathetic.

LSU
===
2006 U La-La, Arizona, Tulane, Fresno St. (All at home)
2005 ASU (road win), North TX, Appalachian St.
2004 Oregon St., Arkansas St., Troy St. (All at home)
2003 La Monroe, Arizona (road win), Western Illinois, La Tech
2002 Va Tech (road loss), Citadel, Miami (OH), U La-La

Only team with DECENT travel. They went to AZ twice in 5 years and Virginia once.

All in all, let's look at the numbers over the lats 5 years for the 5 heavyweights in the SEC.

Auburn 14-4 with 2 road losses Impressive wins (none)
Georgia 16-0 3 road games, 2 of which is Ga Tech which occurs every 2 years Impressive wins (Ga Tech (2), Clemson (2))
Florida 14-4 All 4 losses were to FSU and Miami, in state rivals. No travel since I started growing hair on my balls.
Alabama 17-1 Only OOC travel was to Norman and they lost. Other 17 were at home. Pffffft!
LSU 17-1 Traveled to ASU, AZ and Va Tech where they went 2-1. Other 15 games were at home. THIS is the SEC's most impressive travelling team.

PLEASE don't tell me the SEC plays quality OOC games AND travels. I agree the SEC is a tough in conference schedule, but quit trying to say you don't pad the win column with deaf high school teams.

When no one responds with evidence citing the contrary....you win!

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:07 pm**

Big 10: If my confence is so soft, why doesn't the SEC schools schedule them?

SEC: (crickets)

Posted: **Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:58 pm**

IndyFrisco wrote:Let's take a look at 5 of the SEC's top programs shall we over the last 5 years...

AUBURN
======
2006 Washington St, Buffalo, Tulane, Arkansas St. (All at home)
2005 Georgia Tech (Lost), Ball St., Western Kentucky (All at home)
2004 La-Monroe, Citadel, La Tech (All at home)
2003 USC (Lost), Western Kentucky, La-Monroe, Georgia Tech (road loss)
2002 USC (road loss), Western california, Syracuse, La-Monroe

4 quality OOC opponents in last 5 years, 2 at home and 2 on road...all losses. Practically no travel. 18 OOC games and travel to only 2 of them.

GEORGIA
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2006 Western KY, UAB, Colorado (All at home)
2005 Boise St., La-Monroe, Ga Tech (road)
2004 Ga Southern, Marshall, Ga Tech (all at home)
2003 Clemson (road win), Mi. Tenn. St., Ga Tech (road win), UAB
2002 Clemson, Northwestern St., New Mexico St, Ga Tech (All at home)

In last 5 years, 1 decent OOC schedule, but Ga Tech is in state rival game every year. Still very little travel.

FLORIDA
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2006 Southern Miss, Central Fla, Western Carolina, FSU (road win)
2005 Wyoming, La tech, FSU (All at home)
2004 Eastern Mich, Mid Tenn. St., FSU (road)
2003 San Jose St, Miami Fl (road loss), Fla A&M, FSU (loss)
2002 UAB, Miami (Loss), Ohio, FSU (road loss)

Last OOC game outside the state of Florida was in 1989 vs. Memphis. Pathetic.

ALABAMA
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2006 HAwaii, LA Monroe, Duke, FIU (All at home)
2005 Mid Tenn St., Southern Miss, Utah St. (All at home)
2004 Utah St., Western Carolina, Southern Miss (All at home)
2003 South Fla (Birmingham), Oklahoma, Northern Illinois, Southern Miss (All at home)
2002 Oklahoma (road loss), Mid Tenn St., North Texas, Southern Miss

In last 5 years, only 1 OOC road game and it was a loss. Pathetic.

LSU
===
2006 U La-La, Arizona, Tulane, Fresno St. (All at home)
2005 ASU (road win), North TX, Appalachian St.
2004 Oregon St., Arkansas St., Troy St. (All at home)
2003 La Monroe, Arizona (road win), Western Illinois, La Tech
2002 Va Tech (road loss), Citadel, Miami (OH), U La-La

Only team with DECENT travel. They went to AZ twice in 5 years and Virginia once.

All in all, let's look at the numbers over the lats 5 years for the 5 heavyweights in the SEC.

Auburn 14-4 with 2 road losses Impressive wins (none)
Georgia 16-0 3 road games, 2 of which is Ga Tech which occurs every 2 years Impressive wins (Ga Tech (2), Clemson (2))
Florida 14-4 All 4 losses were to FSU and Miami, in state rivals. No travel since I started growing hair on my balls.
Alabama 17-1 Only OOC travel was to Norman and they lost. Other 17 were at home. Pffffft!
LSU 17-1 Traveled to ASU, AZ and Va Tech where they went 2-1. Other 15 games were at home. THIS is the SEC's most impressive travelling team.

PLEASE don't tell me the SEC plays quality OOC games AND travels. I agree the SEC is a tough in conference schedule, but quit trying to say you don't pad the win column with deaf high school teams.

It should be noted that the ONLY reason LSU went to Arizona State was because of some bitch named Katrina, that was scheduled as a home game at LSU and the Sun devils gave LSU over half the take at the gate so the game wouldnt be cancelled

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:38 am**

IndyFrisco wrote:Let's take a look at 5 of the SEC's top programs shall we over the last 5 years...

AUBURN
======
2006 Washington St, Buffalo, Tulane, Arkansas St. (All at home)
2005 Georgia Tech (Lost), Ball St., Western Kentucky (All at home)
2004 La-Monroe, Citadel, La Tech (All at home)
2003 USC (Lost), Western Kentucky, La-Monroe, Georgia Tech (road loss)
2002 USC (road loss), Western california, Syracuse, La-Monroe

4 quality OOC opponents in last 5 years, 2 at home and 2 on road...all losses. Practically no travel. 18 OOC games and travel to only 2 of them.

GEORGIA
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2006 Western KY, UAB, Colorado (All at home)
2005 Boise St., La-Monroe, Ga Tech (road)
2004 Ga Southern, Marshall, Ga Tech (all at home)
2003 Clemson (road win), Mi. Tenn. St., Ga Tech (road win), UAB
2002 Clemson, Northwestern St., New Mexico St, Ga Tech (All at home)

In last 5 years, 1 decent OOC schedule, but Ga Tech is in state rival game every year. Still very little travel.

FLORIDA
=======
2006 Southern Miss, Central Fla, Western Carolina, FSU (road win)
2005 Wyoming, La tech, FSU (All at home)
2004 Eastern Mich, Mid Tenn. St., FSU (road)
2003 San Jose St, Miami Fl (road loss), Fla A&M, FSU (loss)
2002 UAB, Miami (Loss), Ohio, FSU (road loss)

Last OOC game outside the state of Florida was in 1989 vs. Memphis. Pathetic.

ALABAMA
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2006 HAwaii, LA Monroe, Duke, FIU (All at home)
2005 Mid Tenn St., Southern Miss, Utah St. (All at home)
2004 Utah St., Western Carolina, Southern Miss (All at home)
2003 South Fla (Birmingham), Oklahoma, Northern Illinois, Southern Miss (All at home)
2002 Oklahoma (road loss), Mid Tenn St., North Texas, Southern Miss

In last 5 years, only 1 OOC road game and it was a loss. Pathetic.

LSU
===
2006 U La-La, Arizona, Tulane, Fresno St. (All at home)
2005 ASU (road win), North TX, Appalachian St.
2004 Oregon St., Arkansas St., Troy St. (All at home)
2003 La Monroe, Arizona (road win), Western Illinois, La Tech
2002 Va Tech (road loss), Citadel, Miami (OH), U La-La

Only team with DECENT travel. They went to AZ twice in 5 years and Virginia once.

All in all, let's look at the numbers over the lats 5 years for the 5 heavyweights in the SEC.

Auburn 14-4 with 2 road losses Impressive wins (none)
Georgia 16-0 3 road games, 2 of which is Ga Tech which occurs every 2 years Impressive wins (Ga Tech (2), Clemson (2))
Florida 14-4 All 4 losses were to FSU and Miami, in state rivals. No travel since I started growing hair on my balls.
Alabama 17-1 Only OOC travel was to Norman and they lost. Other 17 were at home. Pffffft!
LSU 17-1 Traveled to ASU, AZ and Va Tech where they went 2-1. Other 15 games were at home. THIS is the SEC's most impressive travelling team.

PLEASE don't tell me the SEC plays quality OOC games AND travels. I agree the SEC is a tough in conference schedule, but quit trying to say you don't pad the win column with deaf high school teams.

Point definitely taken, but if you're going to list the "elite" SEC teams, you probably should add Tennessee (who has been at least as impressive as 'Bama over the time period you mentioned.) Their OOC schedule, while certainly falling far short of world-beater status, is at least a tad more impressive than the others.

TENNESSEE
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2006 Cal, Air Force, Marshall, Memphis (road win)
2005 UAB, Memphis, Notre Dame (road loss)
2004 UNLV, Louisiana Tech, Notre Dame (loss) all at home
2003 Fresno State, Marshall, Duke, Miami (road win)
2002 Wyoming, Middle Tennessee, Rutgers, Miami (loss) all at home

Not a great schedule, but I'll at least give them credit for home-and-homes vs. ND and Miami, as well as a game vs. Cal (if that's also a home-and-home, I'd be more impressed). OTOH, not much travel (only two OOC road games out of state in the past five seasons), and 15 out of 18 OOC games at home over the past five seasons is sort of a joke.

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:29 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:I should have included Fulmer...but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

Hell, Miles, Tuberville, Nutt could be included. And if Orgeron is thre recruiter we hear he is, he may turn that mess around. If Mississippi had stuck with David Cutcliffe, I think he'd have ranked up there, too.

Tuberville is a hell of a coach. He should have been mentioned in your first post.

No way Ole Miss would be anywhere with Cutcliffe still there. Without Eli they havent been shit since..nor will they IMHO. Three major schools in a state with little population bordered by monsters like LSU, Tennessee, Bama, and Auburn make for little talent.

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:00 pm**

Not a bad haul of coaches in the SEC now, I dont think theyre on par with what the Pac 10 had in the early 90's
Bill Walsh
John Robinson
Don James
Terry Donahue
Dick Tomey
Rich Brooks
even
Mike Price at Wash St.
the SEC guys are just a few hundred NFL wins and Superbowls behind.

T1B

Has any conference EVER had so many great coaches?

Re: Has any conference EVER had so many great coaches?