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Per Arkansas Rivals: Mustain transferring...

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:00 pm
by Cicero
... to Tulsa to be w/ his former OC.

I checked ESPN but I havent found a real credible source.

Re: Per Arkansas Rivals: Mustain transferring...

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:59 am
by Screw_Michigan
Cicero wrote:... to Tulsa to be w/ his former OC.

I checked ESPN but I havent found a real credible source.
i guess 'BODE PARENTS on this one.

i forget the arkansas' ad's name, he should be strung up by the balls in the middle of fayettenam for even allowing these blowhard parents to have their say. talk about inmates running the fucking asylum. :meds:

Re: Per Arkansas Rivals: Mustain transferring...

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:03 am
by King Crimson
Screw_Michigan wrote: i forget the arkansas' ad's name, he should be strung up by the balls in the middle of fayettenam for even allowing these blowhard parents to have their say. talk about inmates running the fucking asylum. :meds:
Frank Broyles.

Re: Per Arkansas Rivals: Mustain transferring...

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:13 am
by Screw_Michigan
King Crimson wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote: i forget the arkansas' ad's name, he should be strung up by the balls in the middle of fayettenam for even allowing these blowhard parents to have their say. talk about inmates running the fucking asylum. :meds:
Frank Broyles.
gracias. might as well be "Douchebag" for all intents and purposes.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:26 am
by T REX
As in the legendary Frank Broyles?

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:14 am
by Screw_Michigan
Believe the Heupel wrote:As in "Frank Broyles isn't ever going to be strung up in Fayetteville, and anyone that thinks he will be doesn't know a damn thing about Arkansas football."
true, i don't know much about arkansas football, but i do remember reading the article about how broyles let those players' parents have their say about how "disappointed" (to say the least) they were that arkansas wasn't employing the high-flying offense they were promised when their kids were being recruited. they could have cared less about the fact the team won the division.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:31 am
by Screw_Michigan
Believe the Heupel wrote:Oh, for sure, Frank Broyles and Houston Nutt have lost control down there.

But Frank Broyles has that job until he dies. It'd be like calling for Bo Schembechler's head over the Fab Five nonsense.
why would broyles have all that security? naked pictures of the president? at least bo had continued success (relatively speaking) in ann arbor. arkansas football hasn't been much other than a flash in the pan every half decade or so.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:15 am
by Screw_Michigan
Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, let's see:

The award for the nation's best assistant coach is named after the cat, so he's probably done SOMETHING praiseworthy.

He's a member of the Orange, Gator, and Cotton Bowl halls of fame.

He won 7 SWC championships as the head coach of the Razorbacks and is still the winningest coach in Arkansas history. The following coaches served as assistants to Broyles: Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Johnny Majors, and Joe Gibbs.

Arkansas has won 43 different national championships since Broyles took over as Athletic Director.
understood. didn't know all that, which kind of makes it even more surprising he let those parents have their way. you figured a guy with a resume like broyles would tell them to go fuck themselves.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:32 am
by King Crimson
desperate for success and a "can't miss" phenom QB in your low population-density home state. Nutt's been on the hotseat pretty much every season he's been at Arkansas....minus the 2 wins over Texas.

he HAD to get Mustain.

they made a bad deal and when Nutt started to reign in Malzahn's Rasputin from Springdale act (they were bringing in someone else to call the plays).....Gus and Mitch decided to take their ball and go home (or, to Tulsa).

Broyles is probably the most powerful guy in the state of Arkansas not named Walton, at least.

and very much a hands-on type of AD, with these quotes (from a poster at soonerfans.com, no url):


“[Nutt ] won’t be taking over the plays,” Broyles said. “He’s going to hire someone to call the plays. He realizes he can do a better job as a head coach that way, and there’s no doubt in my mind."

“ Next year we’re going to throw the ball better, and we’re going to hand it to McFadden and Jones. That’s easy.”

“If I was head coach and I had a position open on offense, I’d try to hire David Lee,” Broyles said. “But Houston has to make those decisions.”

“Any coach that doesn’t hand it off to McFadden and Jones won’t last one game,” Broyles said. “It ain’t hard to be an offensive coordinator with McFadden and Jones.”

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:22 am
by Screw_Michigan
damn right BTH, you learn something every day.

this is the article i was referencing:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id ... type=story

i still don't understand why broyles even allowed these lowlifes to have this meeting with him.
Melodrama stirred by the straw of teenage celebrity
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

Most of the time, I'm convinced that college football and basketball coaches are among the most overpaid workers on the planet.
Then I read about the Little League Parents Gone Wild at Arkansas. And about the octogenarian athletic director who moonlights as the backseat driver of the football program. And the book about the high school team, in which the star quarterback rips the coach of the Razorbacks.


Despite leading Arkansas to a 10-3 record, Houston Nutt has had to deal with some drama.
And I believe Houston Nutt is earning every cent of his reported $1.5 million salary. The hard way.

I also understand why Nutt's name has come up in connection with a couple of other jobs. You get the impression he's anxious to flee Fayetteville, despite having Heisman Trophy runnerup Darren McFadden and a whole lot of other talent from a 10-3 team returning in 2007.

Why? Perhaps because the psych ward that is Arkansas football is enough to drive a coach Nutts.

The news making headlines in Arkansas this week has nothing to do with preparing to face Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl. It has to do with a parents' meeting with athletic director Frank Broyles to discuss "the direction of the program," the transfer of one true freshman and the apology of another. There are quotes aplenty from parents, including a "statement" issued by the mom of the hotshot quarterback.

I've seen more camaraderie on Jerry Springer's set -- and this is after winning the SEC West. Makes you wonder what the place is like when the Hogs aren't winning 10 games, doesn't it?

By empowering a high school coach, his star players and apparently their pushy parents, too, Nutt has given the inmates the keys to the asylum. To an extent, he's brought this on himself. Nutt combined the ingredients of a melodramatic cocktail that's now being stirred by the straw of teenage celebrity.

It seems a desperate coach made some promises he's unwilling to keep to a group of players and parents who have enjoyed too much hype and too much adulation much too soon.

In a fervent attempt to secure his job after an ugly 4-7 season in 2005, Nutt turned his program into the Springdale (Ark.) High School Continuing Education and Glorification Academy last winter. He hired the school's coach, Gus Malzahn, to be his offensive coordinator. That paved the way for the signing of four players from Springdale's undefeated state champs, most notably prep All-American quarterback Mitch Mustain.

Three of them -- Mustain, tight end Ben Cleveland and wide receiver Damian Williams -- played as true freshmen. Played a lot. Mustain started eight games and has thrown more passes than any other Arkansas quarterback this season. Williams started five games and was tied for second on the team with 19 catches. Cleveland started once and caught 11 passes, two of them for touchdowns.

Not good enough, apparently.


Arkansas AD Frank Broyles met with a group of concerned parents last week.
Parents of the three players met with Arkansas AD and icon-in-residence Frank Broyles last week. The fact that Broyles took the meeting was a chop-block to Nutt's authority. The Arkansas Democrat Gazette reported that Broyles told the parents Nutt was in charge of the football program -- but the 81-year-old former coach has never been a hands-off guy, and this meeting only reinforces the perception that he's constantly hovering over Nutt's shoulder.

The purpose of the meeting: The parents reportedly wanted to know whether Malzahn's no-huddle, spread offense would be the Hogs' offense of the future. It was not implemented this past season, which apparently runs counter to what the Springdale Mafia was promised during its recruitment to Fayetteville.

"From our perspective -- and it's only our perspective -- it seems as if you've been sold a bill of goods," Rick Cleveland, father of Ben Cleveland, told the Democrat Gazette. "We would never have committed here knowing that this was the offense, because we knew our boys wouldn't be happy."

Why, sure. How could you expect a kid to be happy with extensive playing time as a true freshman on a team that wins 10 games, advances to the SEC Championship Game and will play in one of the biggest non-BCS bowls? What do team accomplishments matter when Little Johnny isn't getting his touches?

"Our boys are used to catching 60 passes a year," Cleveland told the Democrat Gazette. "They want to go to a college where they get the same opportunity. Whether they're good enough to do that or not is a whole different question. They have to earn that."

Here's who's earned the right to be the centerpiece of the Arkansas offense: McFadden and fellow running back Felix Jones -- both of whom will be back in 2007. Anyone who watched those two rush for a combined 2,576 yards and thinks the Hogs' offense is going to change next year to Hawaii Southeast is deluded.

That reality might be why Williams is going to transfer, as was announced Wednesday night. Mustain and Cleveland say they're staying.


Beck Campbell, QB Mitch Mustain's mother, discussed concerns about her son's future with Frank Broyles.
And just in case anyone gets the wrong idea, Mustain's mother, Beck Campbell, issued a "statement" to the media about the meeting with Broyles. It said, in part: "It was agreed by all parties involved that the head coach has the valid right to determine the direction of the program and the manner in which the team would develop."

No word on whether she hired a PR firm to help craft the statement.

Of course, that was after Mustain reportedly was confronted in a players-only meeting over comments he made while at Springdale about Nutt. In a new book on Springdale's championship season, Mustain said Nutt's offense was boring and that there might be a better chance he'd become a Razorback if Nutt were fired.

Mustain apologized to his teammates, and also in a one-on-one meeting with Nutt. The coach and player say everything is lovey-dovey now, even though Nutt benched Mustain while he was on an eight-game winning streak in favor of sophomore Casey Dick. (Fact: Dick's passing numbers are better than Mustain's for the year.)

Parents have a right to stand up for their children -- and Arkansas media members tell me the Springdale crew is populated with good people. But this melodrama seems symptomatic of an American athletic culture that has let celebrity seep down into the grass roots.

The world probably could get by without a book on Springdale High football. And without statements from the quarterback's mom. And without parental power plays at the major-college level.

Now, if Nutt lied to recruits just to get them to sign, he's a weasel. But it's a weasel's world when it comes to recruiting.

Coaches specialize in telling prospects what they want to hear, even if they have no intention of following through on it. Sometimes, though, the coaches know a little bit more than the parents.

I remember the first day freshmen reported at the University of Louisville one August several years ago. Then-Cardinals coach John L. Smith was asked about the tall, athletic kid working out with the quarterbacks at the morning session.

"He's a safety," Smith said.

"Then why is he with the quarterbacks?" he was asked.

"Because his dad's here," Smith said. "He's leaving at lunch. This afternoon, the kid will be a safety."

The kid was Kerry Rhodes, who is having a stellar season for the New York Jets -- at safety.

We can only imagine the hysteria if Houston Nutt had dared suggest a position change for a member of the Springdale Mafia. Send lawyers, guns and money to Fayetteville in that event.

Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ESPN4D@aol.com.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:06 pm
by Ken
While not saying there's ANYTHING right with what the parents are doing, but I see signs that Nutt is doing that 'writing checks he can't cash' thingy... Also leading me to believe that this guy doesn't have much in the way of self-discipline or a sense of priority.

Nutt obviously did SOMETHING to piss these kids and parents off. While I'll never underestimate the low levels to which these type of people would stoop, even for them, there had to be some sort of impetus privided by Nutt to bring them to Broyle's door.

I'm guessing that broken promises, while not common, are not unheard of in the circles of recruiting HS kids. But you don't hear much in the way of collective efforts to fight these broken promises. Well, you are now... under Nutt's tenure. So, pissed are these kid and parents, that several are now transferring. Ouch.

Nutt is finding himself in over his head... 'cause of his lack of 'brain to mouth' discipline on the recruiting front.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:20 pm
by Sky
Rack that ^^^^

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:59 pm
by SunCoastSooner
Screw_Michigan wrote:
Cicero wrote:... to Tulsa to be w/ his former OC.

I checked ESPN but I havent found a real credible source.
i guess 'BODE PARENTS on this one.

i forget the arkansas' ad's name, he should be strung up by the balls in the middle of fayettenam for even allowing these blowhard parents to have their say. talk about inmates running the fucking asylum. :meds:

Ummmmm not to side track the thread or nothin' but Fayettenam isn't the one in Arkansas it's the one in North Carolina ;).

Oh and of those 43 national titles aren't something like 42 of them in Track and Field? That's about like OU fan getting on here and trying to claim bode for our dominance in men's gymnastics.

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:08 pm
by DiT
regardless of what happened Tulsa made out like a bandit despite losing Coach K.

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:53 am
by Vito Corleone
Wow, Texas was the big loser for the services of Bomar, Perrloser, and Mustang.

Isn't there a country music song about thanking God for unanswered prayers.

Texas fan was spitting fire when we lost out on each of these top notch QBs and now we look like the one who didn't get burned.

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:11 am
by Vito Corleone
Believe the Heupel wrote:You motherfuckers. Just like Barry said-born on third base, go through life thinking you hit a triple. :D
Wasn't it Anne Richards who said that about Dubya?

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:44 am
by Vito Corleone
Believe the Heupel wrote:Barry said it about UT decades ago.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/23536.html

Some more great Switzerisms:

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/some_pe ... 00007.html
I like how half the quotes in the 2nd link were about Vince.

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:44 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
Screw_Michigan wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:Well, let's see:

The award for the nation's best assistant coach is named after the cat, so he's probably done SOMETHING praiseworthy.

He's a member of the Orange, Gator, and Cotton Bowl halls of fame.

He won 7 SWC championships as the head coach of the Razorbacks and is still the winningest coach in Arkansas history. The following coaches served as assistants to Broyles: Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Johnny Majors, and Joe Gibbs.

Arkansas has won 43 different national championships since Broyles took over as Athletic Director.
understood. didn't know all that, which kind of makes it even more surprising he let those parents have their way. you figured a guy with a resume like broyles would tell them to go fuck themselves.
Further on Broyles . . .

I realize much of the board probably doesn't remember this, but during the 80's he was also ABC's #1 college football analyst. Being paired with Keith Jackson, that is probably the broadcasting team with the most distinctive voices ever, and I think it'll be a long time before that changes.

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:13 pm
by War Stoops
Lots of rumors flying around today about Mustain visiting Norman. Of course, the knee-jerk comparisons to Bomar are popping up everywhere. It seems that Stoops and co. have said "thanks but no thanks." Perhaps they also have lingering Bomar-phobia

I don't know what to make of this. Mustain was all-freaking-world coming out of high school. Why not give him a look when you have three guys on campus that have zero material experience? It looks like Nutt has to share some of the blame for the circus that is UA football.

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:52 pm
by Vito Corleone
I think Mustang is a good kid from what I have read, but I also think this is a area where parents have gotten out of control. These guys are like soccer parents on steroids. It would be funny to me if he did go there, I could just see what his parents would say if Stoops didn't start him from day 1.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:59 am
by Danimal
Believe the Heupel wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:I think Mustang is a good kid from what I have read, but I also think this is a area where parents have gotten out of control. These guys are like soccer parents on steroids. It would be funny to me if he did go there, I could just see what his parents would say if Stoops didn't start him from day 1.
Mustain, not Mustang.

I imagine they'd schedule a sit-down meeting with Myles Brand about the direction of the NCAA and why their son can't play for one year after transferring.

Sure, if Stoops thinks the kid has his head screwed on straight I'm not against a second chance, but this kid worries me. The word I've been hearing is that he's just like Rhetty Rhett. Teammates at Arkansas all think he's a dickhead.
Ya like I said on the other thread this kid has Bomar written all-over him. Maybe he'll clean up his act but maybe he'll be the kind of cancer that drains a team at the worst possible time.

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