for cheating at OU?
i've heard some stuff from nois fan about how the dirt bag stole a recruit they had, and was curious, how he gets to skate free from suspension and punishment.
funny isnt it, indiana u welcomes with open arms a known cheater, yet played a moral thing on bobby knight. amazing.
how about coach loses a year of coaching if he's caught. for fuck sakes, they cheat, win, then bail when or before probation gets handed out to their former team.
Did sampson get punished/?
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Funny thing about this board, people don't let things like facts get in the way of posting their takes.
Coach Sampson did in fact get punished and it was a punishment that he brought to IU with him. For a period of 1 year he is not allowed to do ANY off campus recruiting. That includes not only in home visits with recruits but also no going to AAU events or HS games to watch and scout kids. In addition he is not allowed to make any phone calls to recruits for a period of 1 year. Of course the major loophole there is that he can still receive phone calls and send text messages. I don't know the particulars of the punishment OU got but I'm sure there are some on this board who do.
As for the "stolen recruit" that's pretty simple. Eric Gordon is from Indy and grew up as an IU fan. However with a guy like Mike Davis here he wasn't going to come here and sick of all the phone calls from schools he did an early verbal to Illannoy. Well once Davis got the boot and a legit coach was brought in things changed, so the Gordon family contacted IU and said they'd like to take another look at the school. Bruce Weber got his vagina in a tangle because Coach Sampson didn't call to tell him that IU was recruiting Gordon even though the Gordon family had told him they were looking at IU and it was widely reported in both Chicago and Indy papers of what was taking place. After multiple trips to Bloomington Eric Gordon did finally end up signing an LOI with the Hoosiers.
As for the "welcoming with open arms things" again you show you don't know what you're talking about. There was a HUGE uproar within the IU nation about bringing in a coach who was currently under an NCAA investigation. The shit really hit the fan when the sanctions placed on Coach Sampson came with him to Bloomington. There was literally about a 50/50 split amongst the fanbase as to the hiring. Of course winning changes everything and now that Coach Sampson has already recruited more Indiana kids than Mike Davis did in 6 years and has a legit product on the court the split is about 70/30 now.
Coach Sampson did in fact get punished and it was a punishment that he brought to IU with him. For a period of 1 year he is not allowed to do ANY off campus recruiting. That includes not only in home visits with recruits but also no going to AAU events or HS games to watch and scout kids. In addition he is not allowed to make any phone calls to recruits for a period of 1 year. Of course the major loophole there is that he can still receive phone calls and send text messages. I don't know the particulars of the punishment OU got but I'm sure there are some on this board who do.
As for the "stolen recruit" that's pretty simple. Eric Gordon is from Indy and grew up as an IU fan. However with a guy like Mike Davis here he wasn't going to come here and sick of all the phone calls from schools he did an early verbal to Illannoy. Well once Davis got the boot and a legit coach was brought in things changed, so the Gordon family contacted IU and said they'd like to take another look at the school. Bruce Weber got his vagina in a tangle because Coach Sampson didn't call to tell him that IU was recruiting Gordon even though the Gordon family had told him they were looking at IU and it was widely reported in both Chicago and Indy papers of what was taking place. After multiple trips to Bloomington Eric Gordon did finally end up signing an LOI with the Hoosiers.
As for the "welcoming with open arms things" again you show you don't know what you're talking about. There was a HUGE uproar within the IU nation about bringing in a coach who was currently under an NCAA investigation. The shit really hit the fan when the sanctions placed on Coach Sampson came with him to Bloomington. There was literally about a 50/50 split amongst the fanbase as to the hiring. Of course winning changes everything and now that Coach Sampson has already recruited more Indiana kids than Mike Davis did in 6 years and has a legit product on the court the split is about 70/30 now.
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inside scuttlebutt according to my pops who is a hoops donor back to the Dave Bliss days...is that once the University/Boren knew of the phone call violations Boren essentially told Sampson it was time to look for a new job**.
i've posted this before, but in early March of last year i sat with my dad who has been close to the OU legal apparatus (negotiated Billy's shoe contract with Converse) for 20 years at a Mexican restaurant in Denver and he pretty much speculated that 1. Kelvin was gone and 2. would show very little contrition about the violations and 3. Castiglione would hire a "minority" coach to replace Kelvin.
all of which happened.
on my end, i was a Kelvin guy and don't give a flip about the style of play BS (though i do think KS micro-managed the game too hard). as Cletus as it sounds, my understanding is that Kelvin didn't really let the donors feel close to the program like Billy did....and the first round NCAA losses were really pissing off the football first donors who came to drop the coin first when Billy was at OU. Kelvin lived about a 1/2 mile from my mom, and he always waved to her and such on the road and my mom couldn't name an OU player since Alvin Adams or Tisdale prolly, and she liked KS.....and KS likes CCR. so, hey.
**. you can take that anyway you want to, i'm not happy KS left OU and most OU *basketball* fans were not.....but, my understanding is that KS was going to be pay freezed until OU came clean from the NCAA....which didn't happen.
i've posted this before, but in early March of last year i sat with my dad who has been close to the OU legal apparatus (negotiated Billy's shoe contract with Converse) for 20 years at a Mexican restaurant in Denver and he pretty much speculated that 1. Kelvin was gone and 2. would show very little contrition about the violations and 3. Castiglione would hire a "minority" coach to replace Kelvin.
all of which happened.
on my end, i was a Kelvin guy and don't give a flip about the style of play BS (though i do think KS micro-managed the game too hard). as Cletus as it sounds, my understanding is that Kelvin didn't really let the donors feel close to the program like Billy did....and the first round NCAA losses were really pissing off the football first donors who came to drop the coin first when Billy was at OU. Kelvin lived about a 1/2 mile from my mom, and he always waved to her and such on the road and my mom couldn't name an OU player since Alvin Adams or Tisdale prolly, and she liked KS.....and KS likes CCR. so, hey.
**. you can take that anyway you want to, i'm not happy KS left OU and most OU *basketball* fans were not.....but, my understanding is that KS was going to be pay freezed until OU came clean from the NCAA....which didn't happen.
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I hate the circumstances surrounding the whole thing. I know the guy personally, and I don't feel like he's the kind of guy who would cheat knowingly. As asinine as it sounds, I would believe that he was ignorant of the rules before I believed that he intentionally violated them... But, whatever happened, I just wish that it had happened diferently. I think that I'm going to like Capel and what he can do for our program, but, to me personally, I would rather Kelvin were still here, violations or not. I think that he can always get the most out of whoever he has on the floor.
More than anything, Kelvin coached basketball the way that I grew up playing it. It takes a certain kind of player to want to play for Kelvin, and I identified with that on a very personal level. To have a coach like him, and a person like him, (I think he's pretty fuckin' funny...) coaching at my favorite university was ideal for me, even if we weren't a National Championship contender every year. Year-in, and year-out, very few schools are. But, what we were was a good, hard-working team who won Conference Championships and played hard, competing every night out.
I'm going to support the OU, no matter who's on the bench -- even when I'm not happy with them -- but I hated to lose Kelvin. I think that, in the next couple of years, he's going to make Indiana fans very happy with him and those OU fans who saw what I did very happy FOR him.
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More than anything, Kelvin coached basketball the way that I grew up playing it. It takes a certain kind of player to want to play for Kelvin, and I identified with that on a very personal level. To have a coach like him, and a person like him, (I think he's pretty fuckin' funny...) coaching at my favorite university was ideal for me, even if we weren't a National Championship contender every year. Year-in, and year-out, very few schools are. But, what we were was a good, hard-working team who won Conference Championships and played hard, competing every night out.
I'm going to support the OU, no matter who's on the bench -- even when I'm not happy with them -- but I hated to lose Kelvin. I think that, in the next couple of years, he's going to make Indiana fans very happy with him and those OU fans who saw what I did very happy FOR him.
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Congrats, Wags. Good win.
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KC your dad was right and I'll leave i8t at that. :(
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