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Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:24 pm
by jiminphilly
Man, 2 women charged in 'horrific' case of Delco child porn
By TOM SCHMIDT
schmid@phillynews.com 215-854-5900
One suspect, John Worman, 39, of Colwyn, Delaware County, allegedly installed a video camera in his bathroom wall and videotaped four children as they used the toilet, undressed and showered.

Worman, according to an indictment, sexually abused eight other children, including five whom he forced to engage in oral, vaginal and anal sex, from 1997 through 2006.

Three of the children that Worman forced oral and vaginal sex upon were infants, one of them just three months old, authorities said.

He videotaped the assaults and downloaded the images to his computer, they added.

Worman and two women - Dorothy Prawdzik, 43, of Drexel Hill and Concetta Jackson, 44, of Collingdale, both in Delaware County - were charged yesterday in a 53-count indictment with producing child pornography.

The charges were announced by U.S. Attorney Patrick Meehan, Delaware County District Attorney G. Michael Green and FBI Special Agent-in-Charge J.P. Weis.

Jackson, authorities said, knew about the camera and helped Worman videotape the four children between 2003 and 2006.

Prawdzik helped Worman video the kids by posing them in front of hidden video cameras, undressing them and having them expose their genitals, it was alleged.

At one point in the investigation, investigators got a search warrant for Worman's home and recovered more than one million images from his computer, including thousands of videos that Worman produced himself committing sexual acts on children.

"This was a long-term, planned and horrific exploitation of young children," Meehan said. "According to the indictment, the defendants allegedly manipulated and abused children, even infants, to satisfy unimaginable perversions, and they did it repeatedly."

Authorities said that during the period covered by the investigation, Worman had relationships with Prawdzik and Jackson, at different times.

The case was brought as part of Project Safe Childhood, which was launched in February 2006 by U.S. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales.

It was described as a nationwide initiative designed to protect children from online exploitation and abuse.

W T F ? The harm I wish upon these 3 people is indescribable.

This is also precisely the reason I'll never put my kids in a home daycare environment.. you never know who has access to the house..

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:49 pm
by Goober McTuber
But the sex may have been consentual (sic).

Sincerely,

Tardowen, drunken pedophile esq.

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:00 pm
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
jiminphilly wrote:The harm I wish upon these 3 people is indescribable.

If you're incapable of putting it into words, then why post it?

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:14 pm
by Fat Bones
Jsc810 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:W T F ? The harm I wish upon these 3 people is indescribable.
As long as they are not on Death Row, you can be assured that they will be alive only as long as the other inmates remain entertained; think of a cat with a wounded mouse. Well, except that the cat doesn't rape the mouse, but you get the idea.
Yeah, but can you reliably trust another inmate to follow through on a consistant basis?


Me thinks no.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:46 pm
by BSmack
mvscal wrote:I thought they were kept out of the general population?
I guess it depends on the prison.

Image

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5456126

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:46 pm
by Mister Bushice
mvscal wrote:I thought they were kept out of the general population?
Perhaps, but the general population isn't kept out of them. Or shouldn't be.

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:47 pm
by jiminphilly
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:The harm I wish upon these 3 people is indescribable.

If you're incapable of putting it into words, then why post it?
Let's just say having Ryan Howard treat their heads like batting practice baseballs would not be enough.

Get my point?

In my opinion, there really isn't enough physical pain that can be inflicted upon a pedofile that would make up for the harm they've done to a child.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:50 pm
by BSmack
Jsc810 wrote:But unless they're on death row, it will be just a matter of time before they are killed.
This is sig worthy. Thanks.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:01 pm
by BSmack
Jsc810 wrote:BSmack, you're right, I didn't phrase that very well. Bit distracted now, as I'm finishing off a large barium sulfate suspension for a CT scan later today.
Damn dude, you need to take care of yourself.

What causes all this diet ? Or genetics ?
Perhaps this is better: a child rapist's life expectancy is longer on death row than it is in general population.
Correction duly noted. ;)

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:03 pm
by Dinsdale
BSmack wrote:What causes all this diet ? Or genetics ?

[oldschool]Gerrymandering[/oldschool]

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:21 pm
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
jiminphilly wrote:In my opinion, there really isn't enough physical pain that can be inflicted upon a pedofile that would make up for the harm they've done to a child.
Epic. That's about what any normal thinking man would say. I don't understand you tools who "can't put into words" your feelings towards these monsters. Guess what... something horrible happens to someone else every God damned day on this planet. And when it does, you and the rest of the lemmings who feed upon this shit 'get all up in arms.' You love to hear yourself talk, ironically, without saying a damned thing.

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:26 pm
by Tom In VA
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Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:41 pm
by BSmack
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:In my opinion, there really isn't enough physical pain that can be inflicted upon a pedofile that would make up for the harm they've done to a child.
Epic. That's about what any normal thinking man would say. I don't understand you tools who "can't put into words" your feelings towards these monsters. Guess what... something horrible happens to someone else every God damned day on this planet. And when it does, you and the rest of the lemmings who feed upon this shit 'get all up in arms.' You love to hear yourself talk, ironically, without saying a damned thing.
I couldn't agree more. Crime blotters are nothing more than infotainment pablum for the masses. They get the blood boiling and make us forget about the big picture issues.

Then again, unless you're a cop, how else does one express their frustration at the world's non-stop depravity?

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:01 pm
by ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
BSmack wrote:Then again, unless you're a cop, how else does one express their frustration at the world's non-stop depravity?
Why should you be frustrated? Monsters like these are born into this world every day. Besides doing your best to keep your friends and family out of harm's way... what can you do? You can't have an opinion on whether or not these people are bad or good. They are evil. End of story. They should be cleansed from the planet. There's no debate. So, why talk about it? Why put your hands to your face and exclaim, "Oh my gosh. Can you believe it?" Why yes, I can. Yesterday... something just as disturbing happened to someone else. It's for this reason, that I don't watch local news. We have regressed into a tabloid TV society. It sickens me.

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:07 pm
by Tom In VA
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:We have regressed into a tabloid TV society. It sickens me.
I think it's PROGRESSED. 100 years ago there was no T.V.

While I agree with you and sympathize with you feeling sick, it begs the question .....Why put your hands to your face and exclaim, "Oh my gosh. Can you believe it?" Why yes, I can. In fact prior to T.V. voyeurs used radio and prior to radio, newspapers and of course the old standy by .... just listening for the neighbor's wife to let out a few 'oooohs" when the milkman "took his break" on the job.

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:11 pm
by jiminphilly
Toddowen wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:In my opinion, there really isn't enough physical pain that can be inflicted upon a pedofile that would make up for the harm they've done to a child.
Epic. That's about what any normal thinking man would say. I don't understand you tools who "can't put into words" your feelings towards these monsters. Guess what... something horrible happens to someone else every God damned day on this planet. And when it does, you and the rest of the lemmings who feed upon this shit 'get all up in arms.' You love to hear yourself talk, ironically, without saying a damned thing.
And another thing that should be added...

Why indict the entire home child care industy over a story that doesn't even suggest any link to daycare?

Scapegoat much?
My bad- I copied the correct story, just from the wrong paper...this one has more info..
Three in Delco charged with child pornography
By Mari A. Schaefer, Anthony R. Wood and Joseph A. Slobodzian
Inquirer Staff Writers
A Delaware County man rigged his bathroom with a hidden video camera to tape four children and at other times sexually assaulted eight children as young as 3 months, federal officials charged yesterday.

Some abuse went on for a decade, law enforcement officials said, and may involve more victims. Authorities said two women were accomplices, and one of them ran a baby-sitting service.

A yearlong investigation culminated yesterday when John Jackey Worman, 39, of Colwyn, was charged with producing and possessing child pornography, rape, and sexual assault. Police said they found a million photographs and thousands of videos on his computers.

The two women charged with multiple counts of producing and possessing child pornography are Concetta Jackson, 44, of Collingdale, and Dorothy Prawdzik, 43, of Drexel Hill. The videotaping and alleged attacks occurred in a home in Collingdale and a home in Colwyn.

Worman has been in Delaware County Jail since February 2006 on other child-abuse charges. The two women were arrested yesterday.

U.S. Attorney Patrick L. Meehan said it was the "most horrific case" of child exploitation he had seen. Along with the million photographs, Worman's computers contained "thousands" of videos that Worman produced of himself committing sexual acts on the children, Meehan said.

"The level of depravity in this case is so destructive to those children who have been victimized," Delaware County district Attorney G. Michael Green said.

Meehan said authorities had been able to identify 12 victims. He said he was not sure they would be able to identify all the children Worman allegedly victimized.

The victims "lived lives of horror for years," Meehan said.

Between 1997 and 2006, Worman sexually abused eight children, including five he forced to engage in sex, police said. He videotaped the assaults and downloaded the images into his computer.

Between 2003 and 2006, Worman installed a video camera in his bathroom wall and taped four children as they used the toilet, undressed and showered. Jackson knew about the camera and aided Worman in videotaping the children, authorities said. It was not specified at what address the bathroom was located.

Meehan said he did not know whether Worman or the two women tried to sell any of the images. That is still under investigation, he said.

Prawdzik and Jackson had an "intimate" relationship with Worman, Meehan said. Prawdzik posed the children in front of hidden cameras for Worman, undressing them and exposing their genitals, according to authorities.

Neighbors of the Collingdale home where baby-sitting took place reacted not with surprise but with relief upon hearing of the indictments.

Patty Zierle, a resident for 11 years, said she had long suspected wrongdoing two doors away from her rowhouse, "because I'm a mom and you can feel it."

Yet she never suspected the sort of conduct authorities have alleged.

Zierle and neighbors Ken Christian and his wife, Nancy, gasped when a reporter read from a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office that one sexual-abuse victim was three months old.

"Oh, Lord," Zierle said. "Oh, my God."

Zierle, a mother of three, said, "I knew enough not to let my kids play over there."

Others, however, even went so far as to let their children sleep over, said Ken Christian, who lives next to the house. It was those sleepovers that first made him suspicious because of the "sounds they would make at two in the morning, moaning and groaning."

Christian said in the last few years he often complained to police about seeing inappropriate touching of children outside the home- including rubbing their behinds - and hearing unsettling noises during the night. He said police advised him to keep a log book, which he did.

Other assaults allegedly occurred at a home in Colwyn.

A woman at the Colwyn home who identified herself as Worman's mother said she had no idea what her son was allegedly involved in until last year when he was arrested on child-abuse charges.

She said none of the children allegedly abused or photographed were ever in her house. "I didn't know it was this, I just thought it was pornography," she said.

Last night, she shouted at television news crews not to film her or her house. Later, she told a reporter she wanted to try to protect the identity of Worman's 12-year-old son. She said she learned of Worman's indictment on the Internet and did not have a chance to pick up her grandson and prepare him for the news. "What's it going to be like for him in school after this is on TV?" she said. She was also angry that authorities gave her address as her son's.

She said Worman had not lived there for any length of time during the 15 years she had lived in the house.

She said police investigators searched her house last year and removed her son's computer equipment, which she said he stored in a locked room in the basement.

According to court documents, the investigation dates to January 2006, when Delaware County Detective John Kelly and Molli Mullen, a caseworker from Children and Youth Services, met with a 19-year-old woman who said Worman had sexually abused her when she was between 10 and 15. She said Worman had also photographed her while she was naked and videotaped her while they were having sex.

When police searched the Colwyn house last year they confiscated computers, hard drives, digital cameras, a video camera, videos and photographs. Five of those photos were identified as of the 19-year-old alleged victim. The Delaware County agents gave Worman's computers to FBI agent Jennifer Coughlin, who specializes in child-pornography cases. She took them to a regional FBI lab for analysis, and, working with agents there, extracted more than one million images of children.

Police were also able to identify other victims in the photos recovered from computers and met with parents who identified their children in some of the images. In two cases, both involving 2-year-old girls, the parents told police they would leave their children with Jackson at the Collingdale house to baby-sit. They thought Worman was her husband. Police met with another 20-year-old alleged victim in February 2006 who reported she had been assaulted by Worman starting when she was 9.

According to the Delaware County District Attorney's Office, Worman is expected to be transferred to federal custody today. The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Lawrence F. Stengel.

Read the indictment in the Delaware County child pornography case via http://go.philly.com/pornindictment

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:24 pm
by jiminphilly
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:In my opinion, there really isn't enough physical pain that can be inflicted upon a pedofile that would make up for the harm they've done to a child.
Epic. That's about what any normal thinking man would say. I don't understand you tools who "can't put into words" your feelings towards these monsters. Guess what... something horrible happens to someone else every God damned day on this planet. And when it does, you and the rest of the lemmings who feed upon this shit 'get all up in arms.' You love to hear yourself talk, ironically, without saying a damned thing.

Please find for me one other topic I started where I copied a story or even posted a link in which some person was hurt, scammed, shot, tortured etc etc. etc.. and pulled the whole 'what is this world coming too?' card.

I'll save you the trouble. You won't find any.

Like you I don't watch the local news because that's all they care to report. Yeah, shit happens, people get hurt and people die. But other than 1 sentence about my feelings on what harm should come to these people I really didn't go on an on about the evil of the world did I? I guess I was looking for some resonse from another parent who may have dealt with a home daycare.

Instead I got your shit response.

How surprising.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:49 am
by Y2K
A million images?

Kill those fuckers dead.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:01 am
by Louis Cyphre
Toddowen wrote:
Y2K wrote:A million images?

Kill those fuckers dead.
I suppose it would be better if it were only a couple dozen?


Question....at what number is the cut-off point for being just mildly disgusting? And when does severely depraved begin?

I just have to know where I stand, ya see.
Gee Todd, how many of those type of images do you have on your computer?

Re: Why I don't trust home daycare places...

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:11 am
by War Wagon
jiminphilly wrote:I guess I was looking for some response from another parent who may have dealt with a home daycare.
Depends on the home, Jim.

Wifey and I were lucky enough that we bought a house and moved into a neigborhood that just happened to have an elderly couple living right across the street.

When my daughter came along, they were her surrogate parents/babysitters. I can't even begin to tell you the positive influence they had.

We've since buried Elsie and Roy, but their memory lives on.

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:48 am
by socal
Out of economic necessity we needed an in-home sitter. Some shitholes we had seen were downright scary with three or four infants to one sitter. But we found a couple of possible homes and settled on one. She was pleasant, had a nice house, a young son of her own, and was watching only one other infant. For three months or so it worked out fine.

When my son was five months old I picked him up from the sitter after work. He had been inconsolable all afternoon. I took him home and he screamed his ass off for six more hours. He ate some. Slept a little. Sobbed mostly.

Wifey came home from work. Right away she notices his leg isn't straitening out. We go to the ER. Xray shows a spiral fracture of the femur. Police question me and the sitter. They ask me to take a polygraph. Hell, I've got nothing to hide. I don't hesitate. I pass it. Sitter retains counsel. Considering the fact that the sitter left him alone in a room with her four year old son, I felt she should have been held accountable. Ultimately no charges were filed.

What happened? No one knows for certain. I don't think she would have broken his leg intentionally. Given the force required to break that bone in a twisting pattern, I don't think she would have had the strength. The most plausible theory would be that the four year old jumped on him while he was lying on the floor sucking his toes. It makes sense given the type of injury.

The boy had to spend a week in traction in the hospital and surgery. He wore a body cast for another month with only a hole cut for the diaper. (Yeah, it had quite a pleasant odor after only a week.) He healed quick and without any complications.

With a certain amount of trepidation we went with two other in-home sitters until he was about 18 months when he went to a full-day daycare center. It was a corporate center with a good staff and a solid "curriculum". He and his sister loved every minute there.

And, yes, he broke his arm there at age four.

:lol:

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:25 am
by Mile-Hi T
Sounds like Kcdave taking care of Kcpaul!
All jokes aside.. these stories are horrifying. I have a daughter (4) and a son (3), and they both went to daycare and they BOTH were sick most of the time. But these were just germs and viruses that they were receiving, not abuse.
Long story short, I work at home now and raise my kids myself. I can't trust ANYBODY with my kids.
I sincerely hope that these DC "providers" get what they deserve!....a hour with us!

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:27 pm
by Husker4ever
I, too, have trouble putting into words the utter disgust, anger, and sadness a story like this gives me. I'm a parent and I think that says it all. All you can do is screen potential care providers and pick one using your gut feelings. It's a gamble no matter what you decide.

The unspeakable horror these kids went through will stay with them for a lifetime. Each one will deal with it mentally in a different way. Some will recover and some will become monsters, themselves. I work in law enforcement/corrections and we have a duty to "protect" these "chimos" as they're known in jail and prisons. That's one part of the job that sucks...having to be professional and do our jobs when it comes to protecting wastes of skin like those three.

If there is a God...that dude will get put on Dahmer mop detail in an isolated area and someone will get "lost" on the way back from recreation and say hello to him. With a shank.