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That's what I expected Monday night......ugh.

Bill Self can't coach his way out of a paper bag. He will heretofore be known as "Coach" Bill Self.....in honor of Seer's beloved "Coach" Steve Lavin.

BtH - yep, they were 31-0 at home against South teams since the inception of the conference. Big win for ATM. Acie Law is the shit.

And how about K-freaking State beat Texas on the road? This conference race is getting very interesting.

maybe this is the year KSU beats KU at Bramlage (for the first time ever).

KU got a serious homer ref job against OU last year or that winless streak would have already ended against the South. sorry, to be a little bitch.....but that was fucking pitiful. possibly the most one-sided officiated game i've ever seen that wasn't in Kemper Arena and/or officiated by Jim Bain (Norm Stewart's fishing buddy).

as a longtime Big 8/12 guy, and watching KU play a lot.....Roy Williams is head and shoulders a better coach than Self. Self is all right....but his teams look kind of disorganized and off-tempo a lot. RW's KU teams got more easy baskets from hustle and being in the right place than any teams i've ever seen. i went to 4-5 KU-CU games in a row in the late 90's and 00's and KU would beat some decent CU teams who sky high to beat KU...with the 12-16 points they'd get hustling after a made CU basket. CU's guys would be jumping around playing to the crowd and playing grabass with each other and KU scoring a layup after 3 passes the length of the floor. game is close, but those 14 points made all the difference.

King Crimson wrote:maybe this is the year KSU beats KU at Bramlage (for the first time ever).

Won't surprise me a bit.

I was rather dubious about all the hype generated by Huggins, but it appears that reputation he has for turning a program around is well deserved. And much like aTm has Acie Law to go to in crunch time, K-State has Cartier Martin who's simply been playing out of his mind lately.

That's the problem that I see with KU. They have all this talent out there on the floor, but don't really have THE GUY to go to at the end of close games when they must have a basket. You'd think that guy would be Brandon Rush, but he seems to disappear towards the end of tough games.

Mook wrote: Bill Self can't coach his way out of a paper bag.

I agree 100%, which raises the interesting question. How long will KU allow him to remain there when year after year he brings in high quality recruiting hauls, competes for the Big 12 title in spite of his coaching and flames out early in the NCAA's which was something ol Roy had a habit of as well. Because IMO you won't see another banner in Jayhawk land with Self on the sidelines.

And FWIW I think "coach" Mike Davis has that distinction on lock down.

can you imagine? say, the Mizzou/Paige Arena opened 20 years ago or whatever and you guys had never beat KU there.

here's a quiz: what was the name of KSU's previous gym?

Shine wrote:

Mook wrote: Bill Self can't coach his way out of a paper bag.

I agree 100%, which raises the interesting question. How long will KU allow him to remain there when year after year he brings in high quality recruiting hauls, competes for the Big 12 title in spite of his coaching and flames out early in the NCAA's which was something ol Roy had a habit of as well. Because IMO you won't see another banner in Jayhawk land with Self on the sidelines.

And FWIW I think "coach" Mike Davis has that distinction on lock down.

yeah, but RW wasn't losing to Vermont or Bucknell in the first round. Self's "big" tournament had KU paying (against better seeds) in Kansas City's Kemper Arena and St. Louis. that team was 6-6 over it's last 12 games....had no business with the cushy seeding they got on basically home floors.

King Crimson wrote:can you imagine? say, the Mizzou/Paige Arena opened 20 years ago or whatever and you guys had never beat KU there.

Unthinkable.

here's a quiz: what was the name of KSU's previous gym?

Ahearn.

Ahearn is correct.

Shine wrote:

Mook wrote: Bill Self can't coach his way out of a paper bag.

I agree 100%, which raises the interesting question. How long will KU allow him to remain there when year after year he brings in high quality recruiting hauls, competes for the Big 12 title in spite of his coaching and flames out early in the NCAA's which was something ol Roy had a habit of as well. Because IMO you won't see another banner in Jayhawk land with Self on the sidelines.

And FWIW I think "coach" Mike Davis has that distinction on lock down.

That will becoming a more pressing question in Lawrence as the years go by. I don't think "Coach" Self is in any real danger right now, and he shouldn't be. However his in-game coaching decisions leave a "LOT" to be desired. Eventually his act would wear thin provided he doesn't go anywhere in the tourney. I think KU could go far, even win with "Coach". We just need to understand it would happen with most probably the second best coach in the building! It is very frustrating to watch a game like the aTm game last night.........and please Aggie fan don't think that this is in anyway taking anything away from your win. You all were composed, played hard and deserved to win. I just wish we'd learn to sit our 50% foul shooters in the last two minutes of games.....(last night was not the first time we've had an awful FT shooter in at the end) The MU game in Columbia last year with C. Moody comes instantly to mind. And Bill's quotes that Kaun would be in that situation again sent chills down my spine. Ugh.....on to K-State.

War Wagon wrote:That's the problem that I see with KU. They have all this talent out there on the floor, but don't really have THE GUY to go to at the end of close games when they must have a basket. You'd think that guy would be Brandon Rush, but he seems to disappear towards the end of tough games.

Agree about Rush. Disagree about them "having" to have the overused cliche of THE GUY, especially watching them against Florida. That was some amazing stuff, and it was a total team effort. aTm is probably the best defensive team in the Big 12, and probably a top five defensive team in the nation.

Mook is correct in the sense that Self has got to get some better free-throw shooters on the floor in the final 2 minutes against a team like aTm, which is when they lost Saturday's game. Maybe it's a matter of better management of timeouts, so that he has them at the end of the game for substitutions ... I'm not sure, but this team has the talent to go very deep in the tournament. They remind me a lot of the Spurs, except Greg Popovich knows how to freaking substitute the right personnel at the right times.