Was Jesus resurrected?

[Mister Bushice]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

[Truman]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

Perfect. Care to point me to the well-read and accepted authority that suggests HE didn't?

[Truman]

...But to answer the question posted in this topic:

Yes He was.

Er... Did I miss the Book of James Cameron somewheres in the Bible...?

[Atomic Punk]

Don't worry, the Jesus haters will spend their "working" hours tomorrow saying Jesus isn't the Messiah. They will reference the Wiki-T1B site and claim gnosis'BODE.

They know everything and are smart to boot. Just ask them.

[Truman]

Seriously Mace...

Wasn't James Cameron and his family scalped and burned by the 'uron in Last of the Mohicans?

Sin,

[Tiny]

Who the fuck is James Cameron?

Ohh.....OK.....but really....I ask again.....

Who the fuck is James Cameron?

[Mike the Lab Rat]

I'm wondering about the alleged "DNA evidence."

Umm........to whom are Cameron and his group comparing the crypt DNA in order to "prove" that the bodies are Jesus, Mary, et al.?

[Y2K]

Who the fuck is James Cameron?

Ohh.....OK.....but really....I ask again.....

Who the fuck is James Cameron?

I don'e have a clue who the dude is but he sounds like another U&L resident.

[Truman]

Seriously Mace...

Wasn't James Cameron and his family scalped and burned by the 'uron in Last of the Mohicans?

Sin,

Yep. Luther claims to have witnessed the scalpings and says that it's true. He also says that he gave J.F. Cooper the whole idea for the novel. I'm waiting to hear back from him on the Resurrection thing. Nothing like an eye witness to history.

Mace

Careful, Mace...

Just remember that Major Duncan Heyworth was burned at the stake for voicing such unpopular opinions. The fact that he sacrificed himself for Luther's granddaughter (father to the Grayhair - er, sorry, Nish - Greyhair himself, Commanding Officer of Fort William Henry) should give you plenty of incentive to lay low while the Board Witches dance 'round the pentagram....

[Mister Bushice]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

Perfect. Care to point me to the well-read and accepted authority that suggests HE didn't?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps the trendy yet accepted fact that rising from the dead is rather difficult to do?

[Rich Fader]

I'm wondering about the alleged "DNA evidence."

Umm........to whom are Cameron and his group comparing the crypt DNA in order to "prove" that the bodies are Jesus, Mary, et al.?

Exactly. No idea.

It's not a matter of faith at this point. Either Cameron has the bones of Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah of the New Testament, and his family, and has sufficient scientific proof that they are in fact the bones of said individuals (and again, we have no idea whether said sufficient proof even exists, let alone whether it's possible for Cameron to obtain it, let alone whether he actually has it), or he has no real idea what he actually has and is merely talking out his ass, or he's making shit up. I vote for "Jim Cameron is talking out his ass". Although I wouldn't rule out "Jim Cameron is making shit up", either.

[Truman]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

Perfect. Care to point me to the well-read and accepted authority that suggests HE didn't?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps the trendy yet accepted fact that rising from the dead is rather difficult to do?

Couldn't be all that difficullt.

The fact that you manage to post here on a daily basis would seem to belie this notion.

Now go find somebody well-read or accepted to prove your case, Bushie.

[Mister Bushice]

Well I wish I had the power to resurrect. Think of the insurance premiums I could accrue.


But,

YOU show me some verifiable documentation that resurrection is something that can occur*.

And none of this "Prove the opposite" shit. I don't have to prove it DOESN'T occur. I have centuries of human history on my side.


*Other than reinstating banned posters, that is.

[rozy]

I'm wondering about the alleged "DNA evidence."

Believe it or not, I didn't have the kneejerk reaction to this thread that you probably would have anticipated me to have. My first thought upon reading the article was what they were going to compare the DNA to.

and big ole RACK Mace and Truman

[RadioFan]

My first thought upon reading the article was what they were going to compare the DNA to.

I'm not sure Dins would agree to something like that.

[Truman]

Well I wish I had the power to resurrect. Think of the insurance premiums I could accrue.

I think you meant to post "insurance disbursements I could collect." I still call Bullshit. MetLife would drop your ass like a hot rock after the first dozen-or-so times.

YOU show me some verifiable documentation that resurrection is something that can occur*.

*Other than reinstating banned posters, that is.

Point well taken. Only God and... er, *gulp*, PSU have such powah... BTW, has anyone ever seen God and PSU in the same room together? I didn't think so...

And none of this "Prove the opposite" shit. I don't have to prove it DOESN'T occur. I have centuries of human history on my side.

...along with Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death. We've had this discussion before Bushie, and it all boils down to a matter of Faith.

You have Faith in your Power of Reason, and want tangible proof of the Resurrection...

...And I have Faith in the Resurrection, and seek tangible proof of your intelligence.

So I'll meet you in the middle.

Lop off your dome, show me your brain, and I'll happily concede your intelligence.

In exchange, I'm certain you'll soon know proof of the Resurrection. One way or the other. :wink:

[poptart]

yes

[Mister Bushice]

I think you meant to post "insurance disbursements I could collect." I still call Bullshit. MetLife would drop your ass like a hot rock after the first dozen-or-so times.

If I planned well, I'd only need 3 or 4.

along with Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death. We've had this discussion before Bushie, and it all boils down to a matter of Faith.

You have Faith in your Power of Reason, and want tangible proof of the Resurrection...

...And I have Faith in the Resurrection,

and seek tangible proof of your intelligence.

So, your faith is limited to the intangible - what you've had indoctrinated into your head your entire life and what you read in a book - and the tangible you find hard to accept?

So I'll meet you in the middle.

No you won't. the "middle" would require some level of proof on your part, and that is just not possible without blind faith. (no E.C. drops)

Lop off your dome, show me your brain, and I'll happily concede your intelligence.

OK, Osama bin Truman.

[The Seer]

[BSmack]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

Perfect. Care to point me to the well-read and accepted authority that suggests HE didn't?

I have no idea if what Cameron is saying is true or not. But I do know it is the height of logical fallacy to insist that someone provide proof for a negative outcome.

[Rich Fader]

It's simple. Either he has DNA proof that it's the Jesus and family, or he doesn't. I have no idea how he possibly can, and I have no idea how else he could prove it. This story is just retarded.

[Mister Bushice]

Well I wish I had the power to resurrect. Think of the insurance premiums I could accrue.


But,

YOU show me some verifiable documentation that resurrection is something that can occur*.

And none of this "Prove the opposite" shit. I don't have to prove it DOESN'T occur. I have centuries of human history on my side.


*Other than reinstating banned posters, that is.

Believe it, don't believe it.....doesn't really matter to me, Bushice. The point is that some douchebag from Hollywood isn't going to disprove it in a bogus little film.

I agree a hollywood film is hardly proof of anything but that shallow entertainment makes money, but it's the concept...

The fact that not everyone "resurrects" kinda plays into the argument of the Christians, IMO......like, that's the whole idea.
Mace

The fact is it has only - allegedly - happened just once doesn't play into anyones hands. If it was shown to actually be possible under those circumstances, they might have a case. They don't, it isn't. All that's left is belief for those who want or need to do so.

[Jesus H. Christ]

[Tom In VA]

People come out of comas, people are thought dead only to come out of it. It's rare, but it happens.

What's compelling is that, according to the Gospel, Jesus knew this would occur. That He, for all practical purposes, be clinically dead after a brutal crucifixtion and torture, only to recover by some miracle (unexplained phenomena) and walk out of the tomb.

As stated, such things occur today, so I don't believe it's out of the question that it happened in the circumstance of Jesus. The fact He was aware and self concious of this destiny throughout His life (according to the Gospel) is what I find solidifies my belief that He was exactly who He said was and was about, what He said he was about (the Father's business).

[Atomic Punk]

Nothing like reading takes from those that do not believe in God. Instead, they mock those that do.

What a fucking pathetic waste of time this thread or any other based on religion is. Those of you going through life with 30 or 40 year long fuses burning up towards your asses... have fun with it.

That soul from the rotting corpse known as Anna Nicole Smith is wishing she didn't lead the life she had right about now. You can't hear her screaming right now.

[Bizzarofelice]

But, but, but, they have proof he was resurrected. The bible itself says so, therefore it must be true. Finger of god wrote it, you see.

Perfect. Care to point me to the well-read and accepted authority that suggests HE didn't?

Gold, Jerry.

[Mister Bushice]

(according to the Gospel)

Which were written by his devoted disciples from 30 to as much as 80 years after his death.

How big was that fish you caught when you were 15,Tom? ;)

And what did you have for dinner that night 40 years ago?

[Bizzarofelice]

Nothing like reading takes from those that do not believe in God. Instead, they mock those that do.

What a fucking pathetic waste of time this thread or any other based on religion is. Those of you going through life with 30 or 40 year long fuses burning up towards your asses... have fun with it.

That soul from the rotting corpse known as Anna Nicole Smith is wishing she didn't lead the life she had right about now. You can't hear her screaming right now.

Hilarious.

[pron]

That soul from the rotting corpse known as Anna Nicole Smith is wishing she didn't lead the life she had right about now. You can't hear her screaming right now.

Can't strippers and whores believe in God and Jesus and get into Heaven? What about Mary Magdelene?

[Tom In VA]

(according to the Gospel)

Which were written by his devoted disciples from 30 to as much as 80 years after his death.

How big was that fish you caught when you were 15,Tom? ;)

And what did you have for dinner that night 40 years ago?

That's a trick question, I'm only 37.

[Bizzarofelice]

What about Mary Magdelene?

She wasn't a whore. Catholic church made that part up.

[BSmack]

Can't strippers and whores believe in God and Jesus and get into Heaven? What about Mary Magdelene?

Nope, God said there was to be no sex in the Champagne Room.

[Tom In VA]

What about Mary Magdelene?

She wasn't a whore.

How do you know ?

Of course it wouldn't matter if she was a whore or not, the bottom line is, she could very well be in heaven despite her "whoretitude" that is something that is entirely up to God. I mean if God's mercy let's me into heaven and I see a "whore" there, am I going to tell God He's wrong ?

I think not.

[Tom In VA]

Can't strippers and whores believe in God and Jesus and get into Heaven? What about Mary Magdelene?

Nope, God said there was to be no sex in the Champagne Room.

That was before they got plastic on the furniture and "scotch-guard" for the carpets.

[Mister Bushice]

(according to the Gospel)

Which were written by his devoted disciples from 30 to as much as 80 years after his death.

How big was that fish you caught when you were 15,Tom? ;)

And what did you have for dinner that night 40 years ago?

That's a trick question, I'm only 37.

Don't dodge. make it 25 years ago then.

The answer is the same. Time distorts reality. People see what they want to see. Each gospel has a variation on what was seen at the tomb the next day. 30-60 years time also means they were old men when they wrote it.

[Tom In VA]

So you deny the rare phenomena that people have been considered 'dead' only to awaken ?

Even with today's technology ?

[Atomic Punk]

Hilarious.

You're so predictably easy to bait. Go blow up a local STL mosque today (take yer pick between Sunni or Shiite) and we'll call it even.

[Mister Bushice]

So you deny the rare phenomena that people have been considered 'dead' only to awaken ?

Even with today's technology ?

No, But you could stop dodging me on the memory and fact aspect of this discussion.

and given the extent of Jesus injuries it is highly unlikely he was a Lazarus Phenomenon.

[Tom In VA]

So you deny the rare phenomena that people have been considered 'dead' only to awaken ?

Even with today's technology ?

No, But you could stop dodging me on the memory and fact aspect of this discussion.

and given the extent of Jesus injuries it is highly unlikely he was a Lazarus Phenomenon.

1. I agree time has the ability to distort reality. But it is not a given that it does. Now if you're saying "hindisight is 20.20" you are absolutely correct.

2. That's right, you think it's unlikely, but it is possible. Neither of us can prove that it happened or that it did not happen. While you automatically say "there's no way", I say "It could have happened and here's why ....". Both of our conclusions are subjective, I'll give you that. Of course mine if the fruit of a more open mind and heart, whereas yours is riddled with close mindedness and fear.

[Jay in Phoenix]

I think it's ridiculous for anyone to try pinning paternity of Mary Magdelen's children on Jesus when we know for a fact that Luther was roaming the streets at that time. Cameron needs to get a DNA sample from Luther before airing this film, IMO.....that is, IF he wants to document the facts.

Whooooah, there Mace. You might just be on to something here. Of course, ol' Luth's form of healing didn't come from the laying of hands. In fact, I heard he once parted the Red Sea...or was it a glass of port, with his "swizzle stick". At that time, his peeps were calling him Moses or something.

One thing is certain, you're off the hook Mace ol' buddy. While I know you had a passing fancy for ol' Mary Mags and the 7, your true feeling lay elsewhere, away in a manger, with a very "sheepish" look in your eye.

Of course, if Mary Magdelen was a fat, ugly skank, it coulda been someone from the Dinsdale clan that knocked her up. Ridiculous, you say? Yeah, kinda like some Hollywood whackjob coming out with "evidence" and trying to make a few million bucks. Go figure. Personally, I like my story better.

Me too Mace. Although perhaps a slight tweak to the casting:

Dinsdale ancestor played by Charlie Sheen (nice call, especially if he has that balding Artie Mitchell look from 'Rated X'.)
Mary Magdelen played by Miss Conduct (nah, you've gotta go with Cinder all the way.)
Jesus played by Poptart (amen)
Luther plays himself (not only himself, but Moses, Methuzala and Noah -- a shoo in for next years Oscars!)
Bartender in the motel bar played by Goober (with nostra in a cameo as a "lady of indulgence")
Mary Magdelen's kids played by KCKid and Kaley (or Cicero and "friend")

Narration by Mike the Lab Rat (since Rod Serling is dead, bet)

I like it.

Mace

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