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Henderson for Dook comes flying in elbow first in a game that was effectively over and busts up Hansbrough's nose and all Fudge can say is that it wasn't a dirty hit and the refs made a mistake in ejecting Henderson.

Puh-fucking-leeze. Putting aside for the moment the question of why Hansbrough was still in the game up 12 with 14 seconds to play, Henderson clearly came in at warp speed and was leading with his elbow. No place in hoops for that and P-acc-ker should have put his man crush on K aside and said as much instead of being a Dook apologist.

It kills me that this jackhole announces the Final Four.

I know you hate Duke but take it easy. I had a feeling someone here was going to unload on them for what happened.

I can't imagine a Coach K playing going out and gooning it up...saying that knowing what Laettner did many moons ago by stepping on a Kentucky player in that famous regional finals game. Henderson was going to block the shot with his arm raised but to think he was aiming for his face with his elbow is looking too much into it. It was a nasty way to end a game and Duke will be without one of their best players for the first game of the ACC tourney as a result.

While I don't think it was INTENTIONAL(as to injure), Henderson's intent was to hard foul and send a message. Period.

One game automatic. He deserves three.

T REX wrote:While I don't think it was INTENTIONAL(as to injure), Henderson's intent was to hard foul and send a message. Period.

That is more believeable. I don't think this was a John Chaney deal where Coach K sent out someone to drill Hansbrough or any UNC player. This rivalry is built on respect for both teams...that would make me lose a lot of respect for Duke if that's what was done. If anything, Henderson acted alone on what he did.

A real man would be able to referee the fight between Packer & Vitale in their efforts to swallow Coach K gack.

I didn't think it was intentional at the time....but there sure are a heckuva lot of people around the net who do.

one of my favorite Packer moments was in an OU-KU where Billy complimented Bill Self for the exact same coaching move he had criticized Sampson for earlier in the game.

T REX wrote:While I don't think it was INTENTIONAL(as to injure), Henderson's intent was to hard foul and send a message. Period.

EXACTLY. Well said.

Maybe phrased better than my post Shoalz but that's exactly what I was going for. I don't think I alluded to any type of "code red" from K going on. Henderson came in hard and fast, there was clearly intent in his actions. Not to injure but like Trix said to send a message.

Of course if what is being reported on the net about K's comments afterwards are true then he lost some of my respect today.

There's no doubt that the message was received...lol.

As far as Packer, I'm just waiting to see what else he says that eclipses the dumb shit that he talked last year about the large numbers of mid-majors invited to the dance. Its only a matter of time.

Wow... I just don't see how anyone can watch that replay and not come away thinking that was an intentional, vicious elbow.

The most damning thing is how he went up. He didn't go straight up in the air...he went up and into Hansbrough. Clearly, he was looking for some contact. Definitely a stupid freshman mistake...

Packer has never been a Duke homer so that comment was poor assinine. I didnt think it was Intentional. I think he was trying to hard foul and deserved a flagrant but the refs did a shitty job handling that situation.

Shoalzie wrote: I can't imagine a Coach K playing going out and gooning it up..

If he ever did send someone in to take out an opposing player, the Dookie would still draw a charging foul.

Cicero wrote:Packer has never been a Duke homer

Packer.....possibly the biggest Duke hater ever. A bit surprising he'd come out in Henderson's corner, especially after banging on Duke all game long. Henderson goes for a hard foul (hmmmm.....we'll add this to the list of things only Duke does), ball gets deflected and his elbow hits Hansbrough's face. I guess a non-Duke player would've been able to hold up in that split second. If Hansbrough doesn't bleed like Boom-Boom Mancini, then nobody gets their little panties in a wad. I ask you anti-Duke nation....and be honest here (I know I'm asking for the impossible) but if the roles were reversed, how would you react? Oh wait, let me answer for you. You'd be giddy and jumping up and down calling Duke a bunch of pussies. They're weak! They can't take it! They had it coming! They deserve it! Oh happy day!!!! Look at that faggot bleed!!!!!! Yippeeeee!!!! Don't deny it.

Shine wrote: Of course if what is being reported on the net about K's comments afterwards are true then he lost some of my respect today.

Yep, K lost some of my respect yesterday. Trying to pin some blame on UNC for still having their starters in with the game "effectively over". Well K then explain to me why your team kept fouling and why you kept calling timeouts if the game was really over. Also this is rich coming from the guy most notorious for keeping his starters in late in the game of blowouts. Very unclassy move.

Same shit Isiah tried to pull in the Knicks/Nuggets brawl.

Shine wrote:

Cicero wrote:Packer has never been a Duke homer

Yes???? I was right. Are you always this happy when you are wrong?

Hansborough should have already been taken out of the game since the outcome was well within hand by that point.

Looking at every single angle of that play, it's very hard NOT to conclude that the foul was intentional. Henderson swung elbow first to Hansborough's face. There was no intention on going after the ball on that play.

We all knew Packer was a douche last season with his comments about mid major. This episode further proves that the guy is clueless. He and Dickie V should go have a nice chat about that play.

Packer goes to my church here in Charlotte, last I was told...I have always maintained if I ever see him I will fight him...his sone does the 3-7 radio show here in Charlotte and he is SEC everything in Football and ACC everything in Basketball...no matter what stats or what you bring to the table to prove a point he just goes on theory and what it should be, etc...

It was intentional.

Mustang wrote: I ask you anti-Duke nation....and be honest here (I know I'm asking for the impossible) but if the roles were reversed, how would you react? Oh wait, let me answer for you. You'd be giddy and jumping up and down calling Duke a bunch of pussies. They're weak! They can't take it! They had it coming! They deserve it! Oh happy day!!!! Look at that faggot bleed!!!!!! Yippeeeee!!!! Don't deny it.

i'm sure i'd be less sympathetic, but, honestly, i'd probably be more convinced it was 'intentional' because my impression of duke (outside of the leattner incident) is that they dont play that way.

henderson will get the benefit of any doubt from his defenders because it was such a bang bang play. he's got that going for him. no question that, at the least, it was an attempt at a hard foul. what goes against him is that he's looking right at TH right as he swings his arm (packer says he was turned- ?). could he have pulled up? probably not, but thats cuz he was coming down hard no matter if he got ball or not.

bottom line is- and this is not matter who it is- when you attempt a hard foul by coming down with your arm like that under those circumstances, and you pummel a guys nose in the process, you have to get suspended.

Mustang wrote:I ask you anti-Duke nation....and be honest here (I know I'm asking for the impossible) but if the roles were reversed, how would you react? Oh wait, let me answer for you. You'd be giddy and jumping up and down calling Duke a bunch of pussies. They're weak! They can't take it! They had it coming! They deserve it! Oh happy day!!!! Look at that faggot bleed!!!!!! Yippeeeee!!!! Don't deny it.

Everything else is constant? They're still playing Carolina?

In that case, I pretty much feel the same way.

Those two schools both rank at or near the top of my hate list in college hoops. Of course, it doesn't help either one in that regard that the national media and the NCAA both fall all over themselves to fellate both of these schools.

C'mon Mustang, playing the "everyone hates Dook" card is a little lame in this situation. I think any reasonable person can tell that Henderson went in extremely aggressive with the intent to commit a hard foul and send a message. Whenever you do that there is a chance the end result could be an injury. So while Henderson may not have intended to injure he certainly intended to foul and foul hard.

The only difference between this and the Temple incident is that one was done by the instruction of the coach and one was done by the individual player of his own volition. But both were examples of a player intentionally trying to foul hard and the byproduct being a hurt player. Henderson should have been tossed as he was and should have been suspended for a game as he was. IMO the only additional penalty should have been a stipulation that IF these teams meet again in the ACCT that Henderson be suspended for that as well.

The paranoia from the Dook crowd that everyone hates them and is out to get them has become almost as bad as the paranoia from the anti-Dook crowd that the refs favor Dook.

A dirty play is a dirty play and sometimes that means calling out your own, like I did with former Hoosier Isiah.

Some decent points made here and I commend the board for not turning this into an all out Duke-hatefest, which used to happen with some of the douche bags no longer around.

I don't have any problem with the incident being called a hard, intentional foul. It was. What I do have a problem with is Jim Rome, Pat Forde, and other "experts" saying it was out of "Duke's" frustration after a 22-8 season (one a lot of teams would love to have), losing 4 of the last 5 to the 'holes, and getting worked in this one. Blah, blah, blah.... Last I checked, it was one player that commited a hard foul that went over the line, not the entire team's frustration. I love how those guys go on about how Duke is "losing it" and has to resort to "these kind of tactics." Good grief. What a load of shit. What you have here is a team being a victim of their own success. They don't have that gawdy record and don't sit atop the ACC, never mind that there are no seniors and only one junior in the lineup. I guess that means the program is going to hell and they gotta' go Broad Street Bullies on everyone. Spare me.

And the "everyone hates Duke" is no card. It's reality. Don't tell me that the Duke haters out there wouldn't love to see McRoberts or Paulus get lit up like that. And laugh. Or say, "He's faking." Like they did with Luol Deng and Coach K himself. Paranoia? I don't think so. Again, it's reality. Sure, Duke used to get all the great publicity....to an annoying degree, even to us Duke fans. But that's gone 180 degrees. I can't recall the last time I heard or read anything positive by someone other than Dick Vitale or Al Featherston. All I hear now is about how Duke is in the tank and they're slow and talentless. Broadcasters and writers can barely control their giddiness whenever they lose or something like this happens. Any chance to take a shot. Which is precisely what Dan Patrick was talking bout today. Had it been Memphis or Iowa State, would this be a huge deal? No. Since it was Duke, do people want to be more vindictive? Absolutely. Price of success.

I will agree that K was a little cheesy. Wondering what Hansbrough was doing out there? I can't tell you how many times I've bitched at K when Duke's had a 20 point lead and the starters are in with 4 minutes left. I don't even think Carolina was rubbing it in and that it drew team "retaliation." ONE guy commited a hard foul, that's it. And if there's no blood, he's not even suspended. Kind of like in hockey when a high stick draws blood, that 2 minute minor becomes a 5-minute major.

And this is one reason I love hockey. If you mess with one of our stars or our goalie then you, or one of your stars is gonna' pay for it. And that's how cheap shots are discouraged, though they still occasionally happen. And then you get a Sabres/Senators biff going (I loved it). Unfortunately, this really wouldn't work in basketball.