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Who wins in Iraq
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:44 pm
by Eaglebauer
From Foreign Policy Magazine
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms. ... ry_id=3704
Newspaper headlines consistently remind us of the failures coming out of Iraq. The number of U.S. soldiers who have lost their lives continues to climb. The deaths of Iraqi civilians far exceed what almost anyone expected. And insurgent attacks are growing stronger and more deadly. But, if wars always produce losers, it is also true that most wars have a fair share of winners, too. So, we would like to ask, four years into the fighting, what institutions, countries, ideas, or individuals are better off because of the war? Who, in essence, are Iraq’s winners? Plus, a special essay by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.
Foreign Policy Magazine has a series of essays giving who they think are the ten biggest winners as a result of the four year war in Iraq. The above link will let you read these essays. The ten biggest winners, in order, are
1. Iran
2. Moqtada al-Sadr
3. al Qaeda
4. Samuel Huntington
5. China
6. Arab Dictators
7. The Price of Oil
8. The United Nations
9. Old Europe
10. Israel
Sounds like everyone is a winner except us. Just as Mvpussy predicted.
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:34 pm
by Wolfman
soitenly !!!
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:48 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Please stop reading Neo-Con shitrags like Foreign Policy Magazine.
4. Samuel Huntington
Oh, brother....
About FP:
Founded in 1970 by Samuel Huntington...
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:38 am
by PSUFAN
By all means, it helps to have "shifting" goals in Iraq.
1. Eliminate Saddam...we won.
2. Find WMDs - they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them. If they weren't there, we won. If they were but they were moved, we lost.
3. Establish Democracy in Iraq and the Middle East - we failed miserably. It's ok, though...it always was just a bunch of noise.
Right now, it is increasingly clear to EVERYONE that if we get the fuck out of Iraq, we win - at least as long as our troops don't need medical attention upon returning, that is.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:07 pm
by Tom In VA
PSUFAN wrote:
2. Find WMDs - they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
What ?
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:19 pm
by Goober McTuber
Tom In VA wrote:PSUFAN wrote:
2. Find WMDs - they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
What ?
He said they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:29 pm
by Tom In VA
Goober McTuber wrote:Tom In VA wrote:PSUFAN wrote:
2. Find WMDs - they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
What ?
He said they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
Wll if "they" are capable of lying, what makes you think they lied about "not finding them" ?
Qui Bono
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:57 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Tom In VA wrote:Goober McTuber wrote:Tom In VA wrote:
What ?
He said they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
Wll if "they" are capable of lying, what makes you think they lied about "not finding them" ?
Qui Bono
specious argument not helped or legitimized by latin.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:06 pm
by See You Next Wednesday
Tom In VA wrote:Goober McTuber wrote:Tom In VA wrote:
What ?
He said they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
Wll if "they" are capable of lying, what makes you think they lied about "not finding them" ?
Qui Bono
What?
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:18 pm
by Tom In VA
Bizzarofelice wrote:
specious argument not helped or legitimized by latin.
I'm sorry Bace, sometimes I forget that you and the rest of the anti-bush crowd are the only ones with any brains and any sense of what it takes to keep this country a "player" when it comes to the world's resources.
Please forgive my trespass and forgetting "my place".
I can't believe a dumb guy like Bush could have concocted such a scheme.
That fucker. Where do I sign the sheet to have him impeached, put on trial for war crimes and have him turn in the rest of the oligarchy seeking world power and domination ? I'm all in on that one dude.
Oh, can I have a sip of
your Kool-Aid please, I'm still thirsty.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:41 pm
by BSmack
See You Next Wednesday wrote:Tom In VA wrote:Goober McTuber wrote:
He said they fabricated evidence that they were there, failed to find them.
Wll if "they" are capable of lying, what makes you think they lied about "not finding them" ?
Qui Bono
What?
It essentially means "For who? For what?". Ironic, since that is the usual reaction to one of Tom's posts anyway.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:50 pm
by Tom In VA
BSmack wrote:
It essentially means "For who? For what?". Ironic, since that is the usual reaction to one of Tom's posts anyway.
Thanks for the enlightement BSmack.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:59 pm
by Bizzarofelice
None of this:
Tom In VA wrote:Bizzarofelice wrote:
specious argument not helped or legitimized by latin.
I'm sorry Bace, sometimes I forget that you and the rest of the anti-bush crowd are the only ones with any brains and any sense of what it takes to keep this country a "player" when it comes to the world's resources.
Please forgive my trespass and forgetting "my place".
I can't believe a dumb guy like Bush could have concocted such a scheme.
That fucker. Where do I sign the sheet to have him impeached, put on trial for war crimes and have him turn in the rest of the oligarchy seeking world power and domination ? I'm all in on that one dude.
Oh, can I have a sip of
your Kool-Aid please, I'm still thirsty.
supports your position. It only attacks this "anti-Bush" scarecrow you've set up. Work to support your initial statement and it will be given more legitimacy.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:12 pm
by Tom In VA
My initial "What ?", was wrong.
I forgot about the doctored photos and such given to Powell to set him up, lie to the world, and begin the execution of the PNAC's "Project Domino Patsy" :oops I let that slip:
Taking down the puppet of Saddam Hussein, ruining the reputation and name of a black man (the PNAC of course will continue to keep the bruthas down) AND of course planting an evil corporation right smack in the Middle East so that evil white, rich men can continue to rule the world.
So, once I recalled the "doctored" photos taken from a satellite that wasn't even turned on, I understood what PSUFAN meant.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:32 pm
by Shlomart Ben Yisrael
Tom In VA wrote:
Wll if "they" are capable of lying, what makes you think they lied about "not finding them" ?
A+ on infantilizing this thread, Tom.
Go for the coup de grâce and put a whoopee cushion on the chair of the next person to bring up the Libby trial.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:46 pm
by Tom In VA
I prefer the old staple* trick.
Take two staples, twist them together nice and tight so that no matter how it's thrown, two pointy edges are sticking up.
Sit back, wait for the teacher to sit in the chair, and watch as the hijinx ensues.
I'll match gross absurdity and childishness with the same any day of the week. Trying to have an intellectual discussion in this place is like discussing morality with a pedo priest.
It ain't happening.