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Altman back to Creighton
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:57 pm
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
No link yet, but ESPNNEWS reported Altman is staying put.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:04 am
by Adelpiero
honestly, i didnt see why he would leave
he has #2 attendance in college basketball.
has a brand new arena
gets sleepr talent, and gets them to play.
plays in a good conference.
creigton will pay him. maybe bob gibson could give him some loot. sell that world series ring he just got tonight.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:39 am
by King Crimson
poor piggie.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:41 am
by orcinus
Now they can refocus their efforts on Gillispie.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:41 am
by War Wagon
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug ... &type=lgns
What a bitch move by Altman. Creighton oughta' tell him to fuck off right about now. Fucker shouldn't even be allowed to coach an AAU team after pulling this stunt.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:46 am
by orcinus
It happens, Wags. I don't consider it a bitch move, and I've seen this first-hand at Missouri State with Buzz Peterson (the would-be coach they had before Barry Hinson).
Yeah, you would have liked to see him make up his mind before accepting the job offer, but nothing's official until the name's on the dotted line.
Sales 101.
I'm sure the Arkansas faithful will curse Altman to the end of time (as Missouri State fans do Peterson), but I'd much rather see him do this early on than after a year or two. As for Creighton, they'll welcome him back with open arms, while the rest of the MVC will simply mutter, "dammit."
At least Hinson will be able to count on two or three losses next season.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:55 am
by King Crimson
Bobby Cremins did it to S. Carolina IIRC. and in CFB, Glen Mason took the UCLA job, and reneged back to KU (only to take the Minny job a couple years later).
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:59 am
by War Wagon
Not down, orc.
For christs sake, make a decision and stick with it. If you're not sure, don't decide. Do NOT lead on an entire teams fanbase only to pull the rug out. Don't make jilted lovers out of Creightons fans, and then expect to crawl back in bed with them.
Manhood 101.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:03 am
by War Wagon
And I don't care how many prior coaches have done this and what their pedigree is, it doesn't make it right.
Two bit whores as far as I'm concerned.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:06 am
by orcinus
Unfortunately, that's life for the fan of the mid-major program. Successful coaches will always be courted away.
If I were Creighton fan, I'd actually feel even better about Altman now, knowing that he got an offer he was willing to take ... and then decided he was better off staying put.
Whatever your perception, it takes stones to turn away from the money and a bigger job in the spotlight. Call him what you will, but Altman got a chance to stare himself down in the mirror and admit a mistake before the papers were signed.
Rack him for coming correct and going with his gut over the cayshe. Looks like a bad PR move for certain, but all will be forgotten come fall.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:07 am
by Adelpiero
his wife probably said,"fuck no, i;m calling a divorce lawyer"
thus it was a family decesion.
when those rednecks packed the press conference cheering out soooo weeeee, i;m sure he realized his mistake.
no problem with what he did. your wife and kids are 1000000000 times more important than a game.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:11 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
orcinus wrote:Looks like a bad PR move for certain, but all will be forgotten come fall.
For real. Hell, I forgot I even posted this thread about 5 minutes after hitting submit.
Whitey, he certainly could've handled it better, but you're being a little extreme here. No contract was even signed.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:16 am
by King Crimson
i'm citing other examples, that's all.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:33 am
by MuchoBulls
Stan Heath has to be enjoying this. I'm glad he is doing that here in Tampa.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:07 am
by War Wagon
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I forgot I even posted this thread about 5 minutes after hitting submit.
Sure you did.
No contract was even signed.
Since when does a mans word mean less than his signature?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:26 am
by Shoalzie
King Crimson wrote:Bobby Cremins did it to S. Carolina IIRC. and in CFB, Glen Mason took the UCLA job, and reneged back to KU (only to take the Minny job a couple years later).
I was just thinking, wasn't there another mid-major coach who did the same thing a year or two ago? The name escapes me...
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:01 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
War Wagon wrote:Since when does a mans word mean less than his signature?
Since...I dunno,
forever? Legal documents? Legislature? Contracts?
Stop being a dramatic little bitch about all this. Christ, it was 24 hours. ArkansasFan will get over it.
Go ahead and link me up to all the pissed off Creighton fans who feel like you, and don't want the guy back and I'll back off. When you're midmajorfan you better be damn well grateful a guy like this is coming back. He put their freaking program on the map, and you think they should throw him the brick wall? Hilarious. If anything, they should be thinking God
and G0D he's coming back.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:21 am
by War Wagon
A man is only as good as his word, Magoo.
I don't need or want your signature because obviously, they don't mean a damn thing. If a man can't be trusted by his word and a handshake, then how the hell are you supposed to trust him? By some scribbles on a piece of paper? Fuck that, and fuck any culture that accepts that.
Back off? Yeah, good idea. Maybe Altman shoulda' backed off before he opened his trap and verbally accepted the yob at a freaking pep rally.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:24 am
by MgoBlue-LightSpecial
War Wagon wrote:A man is only as good as his word, Magoo.
And in big time college athletics, he's only as good as his track record.
Sorry to wake you up out your fairy tale dreamland.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:16 pm
by Goober McTuber
The signature’s not worth much either, considering how often coaches bolt in the middle of their contracts. I can sympathize with the poor fucker, though, trying to decide whether to live in Omaha or Fayetteville.
Or maybe Altman took a look at what happened to Stan Heath and wised up.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug ... &type=lgns
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:41 pm
by MuchoBulls
^^^^ Good read. I was at Stan Heath's press conference yesterday and he definitely has a chip on his shoulder. He's a great recruiter as well, which is something we desperately need.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:20 pm
by Degenerate
King Crimson wrote:and in CFB, Glen Mason took the UCLA job, and reneged back to KU (only to take the Minny job a couple years later).
It was the Georgia job.
You're thinking UCLA because it was KU vs. UCLA in the Aloha Bowl and Mason made the announcement that he was staying put to a sideline reporter before the game kicked off.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:04 pm
by Cornhusker
Don't know if any of you saw the whole presser of the Frank Broyles pep rally/announcement.
Of course we saw the entire /painfully uncomfortable, event.
But as God is my witness, I said, to no one listening, "Damn, he doesn't want to be there."
Next am at work, told my cronies the same. That evening dude's heading back to Omaha.
He looked like a pig out of mud, (much pun intended) Broyles feeding him hog gear, with the traditional pig hat, which Altman is just as quickly handing off to the misses. And the sooooooo piiiiiiggg was to Altman on par with having nose hairs yanked with greasy pliers. I've seen the guy a plenty, and the look on his face told it all.
He looked every bit the part of a yankee whose car broke down in an unfortunate Deliverance scene.
Hey, now that I think of it, maybe he was resetting Ned and the HillBilly right there on the podium.
Couldn't get on the next plane fast enough.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:29 am
by King Crimson
Degenerate wrote:King Crimson wrote:and in CFB, Glen Mason took the UCLA job, and reneged back to KU (only to take the Minny job a couple years later).
It was the Georgia job.
You're thinking UCLA because it was KU vs. UCLA in the Aloha Bowl and Mason made the announcement that he was staying put to a sideline reporter before the game kicked off.
is that right? fuckin a. my bad. i would have sworn up and down it was UCLA. i know we don't any UGA representation on the hoops board (or CFB) but i assume that was the year Donnan got the UGA job.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:30 am
by King Crimson
MuchoBulls wrote:^^^^ Good read. I was at Stan Heath's press conference yesterday and he definitely has a chip on his shoulder. He's a great recruiter as well, which is something we desperately need.
i'm not a huge fan of Heath, but you guys came out of clusterfuck pretty good i think.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:43 am
by War Wagon
Cornhusker wrote:Don't know if any of you saw the whole presser of the Frank Broyles pep rally/announcement.
Of course we saw the entire /painfully uncomfortable, event.
But as God is my witness, I said, to no one listening, "Damn, he doesn't want to be there."
Next am at work, told my cronies the same. That evening dude's heading back to Omaha.
He looked like a pig out of mud, (much pun intended) Broyles feeding him hog gear, with the traditional pig hat, which Altman is just as quickly handing off to the misses. And the sooooooo piiiiiiggg was to Altman on par with having nose hairs yanked with greasy pliers. I've seen the guy a plenty, and the look on his face told it all.
He looked every bit the part of a yankee whose car broke down in an unfortunate Deliverance scene.
Hey, now that I think of it, maybe he was resetting Ned and the HillBilly right there on the podium.
Couldn't get on the next plane fast enough.
I stand corrected. No amount of cayshe would be worth that.
Too bad he didn't have a heads up from
somebody about what he was gettiing himself into.
Rack that take, Cornhusker.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:50 am
by orcinus
Actually, the word is he soured, in part, after learning several players on the team were in academic jeopardy.
soooooooooiiiiiieeeeee pig probably didn't help much, though. Wonder if his wife watched Deliverance the night before.
Either way, sucks for Barry.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:52 am
by King Crimson
War Wagon wrote:
I stand corrected. No amount of cayshe would be worth that.
Too bad he didn't have a heads up from somebody about what he was gettiing himself into.
Rack that take, Cornhusker.
no doubt. it'd be like living at an interstate truck stop between the hours of 1 and 4 AM for the rest of your mortal life (and possibly afterwards). Eating slim jims and hot dogs on those rollers, curled up and wrinkled like a ball sack.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:54 am
by orcinus
Wait ... that's Wags' daily routine, already.
Tell me you knew.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:59 am
by War Wagon
Lost on the turnpike guy says what?
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:38 am
by orcinus
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:54 am
by Cornhusker
ESPN's Kreidler article:
Informative read, and pretty much what Altman has always been about from everything you could possibly know of him and his family in 13 years here...well media wise.... Wilbur Neb. is a one horse town to be sure. (Pretty much 95% of Nebraska towns are I guess.)
I always hated when he was at K-State he'd beat NU. Nebraska kid and all. He's a damn good Xs & Os guy, but he'll never get the talent to get much farther than he already has at Creighton.
The good news has been the mur-murs from Manhatten how they f*cked up firing him after 2 NCAA appearences and 1 NIT in 4 years. Good for those purple bastards I say.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/s ... d=tab3pos2