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ok Bushites, help me out here
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:38 am
by Mister Bushice
Ok so help me out on this - our troops were unable to determine that a car with terrorists using children as a disguise got thru a checkpoint in Iraq, so that DIRECTLY relates to us being threatened here in the US?
was the car equipped with flubber? Is it a spawn of Herbie? Is Mr. Limpet involved here?
Just how is it a fact that preventing vehicular terrorism in bagdad will reduce the threat of terrorism here in the US?
I'll be in the Hot tub defusing an Improvised inEbriation Device if you need me.
BUSH: Iraq withdrawal would spawn danger
By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
FORT IRWIN, Calif. -
President Bush said Wednesday he knows the nation is weary of war and wondering if the U.S. can win. Still, he said efforts to pull troops home from Iraq only make the U.S. more vulnerable to attack from an enemy that is "pure evil."
"The enemy does not measure the conflict in Iraq in terms of timetables," Bush said to soldiers here, a reference to congressional Democrats' plans to start phasing in troop withdrawals.
"A strategy that encourages this enemy to wait us out is dangerous — dangerous for our troops, dangerous for our security," Bush said. "And it's not going to become law."
While speaking to troops at Fort Irwin, where more combat units are preparing to deploy to Iraq, Bush was trying to keep public pressure on Democrats. Both the House and Senate have approved war-funding bills that would establish timelines for U.S. troops to return home from the four-year-old conflict.
"It's a tough war," Bush said. "The American people are weary of this war. They're wondering whether or not we can succeed. They're horrified by the suicide bombing they see."
Yet Bush used a horrific tale in Iraq — one in which terrorists put children in a car to get through a checkpoint, then exploded the vehicle — to describe why he won't pull back.
"It makes me realize the nature of the enemy we face, which hardens my resolve to protect the American people," Bush said. "People who do that are not — it's not a civil war, it is pure evil. And I believe we have an obligation to protect ourselves from that evil."
Bush is on a six-day break from Washington just as he's in a stalemate with Congress.
The first stop was Fort Irwin, home of the U.S. Army's premier desert training center for combat units. Created during the Cold War era of tank warfare, the National Training Center has been redesigned to teach the counterinsurgency work of detecting homemade bombs.
Before his speech, Bush stood in a dusty, rocky field as soldiers explained how they detect and disarm homemade bombs, called Improvised Explosive Devices. Bush operated a remote-control robot, playfully steering the device straight into a row of news photographers.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:05 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
I need the Bushies to help me out on something else. Please explain to me the mantra used by the Bush Administration and its apologists that "we're fighting them (the terriss) over there so we don't have to fight them over here."
Last time I checked, we're separated from the Middle East by two oceans, each of which is several thousand miles across. I'll concede the concept of continental drift, but I'm pretty sure that's not a strong enough phenomenon to have made this a contiguous land mass. How exactly, will the terriss get over here, in the numbers they have? By plane? By boat? And given that it'll take some time to get over here in any event (and considerably more time to get the numbers they now have in Iraq over here), wouldn't that make them sitting ducks in the interim?
Besides, what's stopping them from coming over now, if that's what they really want to do?
TIA.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:46 pm
by PSUFAN
what's stopping them from coming over now
They're cowed by our formidable defenses. For example, recently an off-duty flight attendant brought a gun onto a flight - by
mistake. She realized what she had done, and told the flight staff in good faith...and was arrested on landing.
We showed that bitch what's what!
Actually, it's probably strategy and/or old-fashioned patience on the part of terriss that has prevented attacks up to this point.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:29 pm
by poptart
I'd like to think that terrorists worldwide have had to keep so much energy, resources, and people pumping into Iraq and Afghanistan that they've not been able to effectively launch another attack on the United States.
Yeah, I'd like to think that.
But then I think again about our southern border and I know it's a line of bullshit by GW.
I think the fight them over there/not here deal would only potentially play out that way in the very distant future.
Like after more democracy has spread in the middle east ......... after we have fought them, beat them, established democracies .... and we no longer have as much of a threat on our soil because stability there has neutered their ability to bring terrorism here.
Kind of a fantasy idea.
Like the war on drugs fantasy we've been fighting for .... ever.
A war on terror was doomed from the start.
If you can't step up and name your enemy, you can't beat 'em.
Name your foe.
Common sense.
Re: ok Bushites, help me out here
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:34 pm
by Bizzarofelice
Bush wrote:The enemy does not measure the conflict in Iraq in terms of timetables
So picking a fight with a people who hold grudges for hundreds of generations was a bad thing??
I love that "fighting them over there" shit. I hope Russia invades Iowa because it heard there were Chechnya sympathizers in Dubuque and needs to stamp them out for Russia's security.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:48 pm
by Terry in Crapchester
poptart wrote:I'd like to think that terrorists worldwide have had to keep so much energy, resources, and people pumping into Iraq and Afghanistan that they've not been able to effectively launch another attack on the United States.
Yeah, I'd like to think that.
But then I think again about our southern border and I know it's a line of bullshit by GW.
Truth be told, with respect to the terriss,
if they're coming over here, the northern border is a bigger problem than the southern border, for any of a number of reasons:
- Unlike in Mexico, there are a number of Muslims in Canada, at least in the larger cities. Al-Qaeda would attract less attention in Canada than they would in Mexico.
- The northern border is longer and, if anything, even more porous than is the Southern border.
- The northern border has a number of waterways along it, which increase the number of potential entry points exponentially.
- Al-Qaeda is smart enough to keep up with U.S. news in this regard, and knows that it's the southern border that is getting all of the political attention in this country right now.
- The weather, particularly in the summer months, makes crossing the northern border an easier task than is crossing the southern border.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:00 pm
by Tom In VA
I don't know.
Do you ?
Sincerely
L.T.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:33 pm
by Goober McTuber
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Besides, what's stopping them from coming over now, if that's what they really want to do?
TIA.
They deeply fear coming face to face with our “I know you are but what am I?” defense.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:14 pm
by OCmike
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Besides, what's stopping them from coming over now, if that's what they really want to do?
Do you honestly think that there have been
zero terrorist attack attempts in the US since 9/11/2001?
I think what's stopping them is the FBI, CIA and Patriot Act. We're finding out about the attacks before they can be carried out. I would assume that you don't hear press announcements about any thwarted attempts because doing so would compromise the source, whether active (a plant) or passive (a bugged phone, e-mail, message board, etc).
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:29 pm
by PSUFAN
What does our police action in Iraq have to do with the aims of jihadists worldwide?
How are terror cells in London, Michigan, or California at all inconvenienced by the fact that we're fighting baathists in Iraq?
OK - I've give you this. It would be hard for any members of Al Qaeda that happen to currently be in Fallujah to attack us in the US.
The minute we're attacked here in the US (god forbid), all of this prattling about "taking the fight to the terrorists in Iraq" is going to look a little shameful.
Certainly, Iraq has become a front in the War on Terror. It isn't the only one by any means.
The Mission Accomplished banner needs to stay in mothballs.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:44 pm
by Goober McTuber
mvscal wrote:If you think those freaks won't be energized and encouraged by our pusillanimous behavior in Iraq, you are a goddamn idiot.
Funny, I just used that word yesterday (in reference to Trixie). Is there some kind of big word glass dick you can get?
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:07 pm
by PSUFAN
Well, sure. As you know, injuns from all over started streaming to Fort Duquesne once they knew there were scalps to take there.
Want to kill exposed American soldiers, young radical? Proceed directly to Iraq.
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:24 am
by Diego in Seattle
mvscal wrote:PSUFAN wrote:Well, sure. As you know, injuns from all over started streaming to Fort Duquesne once they knew there were scalps to take there.
And how did that work out for them in the end?
Jackpot!!
Re: ok Bushites, help me out here
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:57 am
by titlover
Bizzarofelice wrote:Bush wrote:The enemy does not measure the conflict in Iraq in terms of timetables
So picking a fight with a people who hold grudges for hundreds of generations was a bad thing??
I love that "fighting them over there" shit. I hope Russia invades Iowa because it heard there were Chechnya sympathizers in Dubuque and needs to stamp them out for Russia's security.
that is a perfect comparison.
you should be proud.
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:43 am
by Mister Bushice
mvscal wrote:PSUFAN wrote:Certainly, Iraq has become a front in the War on Terror. It isn't the only one by any means.
I'm not aware of anyone claiming that it is the only front...hence the term global war on terror.
I'll give you limited props for the belated recognition that it actually is a front in the war, though.
It isn't the front thats the problem. it's the back.
terrorists everywhere are now learning the effectiveness of the clorine bomb.
easy to get. legal.
I've accidentally sniffed a faceful of clorine gas built up in the pool floater once or twice. shit near choked me.
look for a few of those gas bombs in our near future, courtesy of the "terrorism 101 rehearsal grounds" AKA Iraq.
The sooner we leave iraq the sooner we stop unintentionally training them on developing new techniques.
Re: ok Bushites, help me out here
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:12 pm
by Cuda
Bizzarofelice wrote:Bush wrote:The enemy does not measure the conflict in Iraq in terms of timetables
So picking a fight with a people who hold grudges for hundreds of generations was a bad thing??
No. Letting too many of them live was the bad thingie.