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Dinsdale wrote:Best thing Landis could do would be to fess up.

But Lance Armstrong took him under his wing, and taught him well how to be an arrogant cheating fucking jackass.

Dinsdale wrote:Uhm...teammates have signed affidavits and testified under oath that Cheat Armstrong has readily admitted to doping.

He flat out FAILED a drug test, but got out of the consequences on a technicality.

Moving Sale wrote:Really?
I couldn't find a link for either.

Moving Sale wrote:News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

Dinsdale wrote:Fuck, I hate citing Wiki, but I'm not gonna quote it anyway....just take my word he did it. I know I am running my mouth and not providing any proof but he sucks.

Dinsdale wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

mvscal wrote:

"Oooooo. This is much more fun without the seat."

Sky wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:Fuck, I hate citing Wiki, but I'm not gonna quote it anyway....just take my word he did it. I know I am running my mouth and not providing any proof but he sucks.

FTFY

Dinsdale wrote: Anyone who doesn't believe every fucking rider in the Tour de France in the last 10 years wasn't doped, well...they were probably too busy searching for the Quarter that the Tooth Fairly left them when their last chicklet bid them farewell.

mvscal wrote:

"Oooooo. This is much more fun without the seat."

Dinsdale wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

titlover wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:

Moving Sale wrote:News to me. I have always heard that he never failed a test

He did. But it was a retroactive test, because they didn't have the means to test for certain cheats before that time. He wasn't stripped of his title or sanctioned because the plural samples had already been used for other testing, so the failed test couldn't be repeated.


And he lists the world's foremost doping doctor (who was indicted for it) as a "close friend."

pathetic.

Cycle of cowardice

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
May 21, 2007


Floyd Landis wants you to believe that he is a most upstanding man, a moral product of Mennonite upbringing, where honor and honesty mean more than the money and glory of winning the Tour de France.

He wants you to peer into his soul and understand that he'd never cheat to win cycling's grandest race, as the drug tests and the US Anti-Doping Agency claim, because such an ignoble act would go against everything his pure heart believes.

"It's a matter of who I am," Landis testified Saturday according to the Associated Press at his ongoing arbitration in which he is fighting a two-year ban from the sport. "It wouldn't serve any purpose for me to cheat and win the Tour, because I wouldn't be proud of it."

Yes, what a man of high standards this ignorant clown is. What a proud, honorable champion this cut-throat coward is.

We all found out last week who Landis is, and now this isn't about whether he doped but just what a dope, what a pathetic excuse for a human being he is.



Landis' testimony Saturday – he went through cross examination Monday – was broken into two parts.

One part he asked everyone to believe him when he described his character. The other showed it in crystal clarity when he was forced to explain his part of an effort by his camp to possibly suppress testimony from former Tour de France champion Greg LeMond.

Last year LeMond, in a private conversation with Landis where he was making the case for the value of telling the truth, disclosed that as a child LeMond had been sexually abused by an uncle and how keeping it bottled up "nearly destroyed" him.

Landis didn't take LeMond’s advice, which was his right. But he told his manager, Will Geoghegan, among others, about LeMond's deep, dark secret.

Then, last Wednesday, the night before LeMond was set to take the stand at Landis' arbitration hearing, Geoghegan called LeMond up, pretending to be his old pathetic, pedophilic uncle. It was an effort, LeMond believed, to keep him from appearing at the trial.

"He said 'Hi Greg, this is your uncle. … and I'm going to be there tomorrow,'" LeMond testified on Thursday. "I said, 'Who is this?' He said, 'I'm going to be there and we can talk about how we used to hide your weenie."

"I figured this was intimidation," LeMond said.

LeMond eventually traced the call to Geoghegan's phone and called him back. Geoghegan does not dispute the call. He tried to apologize to LeMond for it last week.

Landis admitted under oath he told Geoghegan about LeMond's abuse and admitted he was in the room when both the initial call and LeMond's return call were made. He claimed he didn't hear much of the initial conversation because he was at the other end of a dining room table, although the idea that Geoghegan would make such a dastardly, possibly illegal phone call in front of everyone, without wanting them to know, is extremely questionable.

Regardless, by the end of the LeMond's return call, Landis admitted he knew what had happened, that he and Geoghegan discussed what to do next.

"That's when it sunk in that he had called Greg LeMond, and then I knew it was a problem, " Landis said.

So did he fire his manager immediately? Did he punch him in the face? Did he grab the phone and call LeMond back and apologize profusely? Did it even dawn on him that this was so much worse, so much bigger than some bike race?

Of course not. A man would do that. Floyd Landis is no man.

He gambled that LeMond wouldn't say a word. That LeMond, still scared of the stigma of childhood abuse, still embarrassed by being the most innocent of victims of the most dirty of crimes would just let it slide, to avoid supposed public humiliation.

He completely underestimated the courage of Greg LeMond, a champion of a human that no amount of synthetic engineering could ever produce in Floyd Landis.

LeMond went public with the whole thing last Thursday, told the world his childhood secret, told the world about Landis spreading it and his manager attacking him with it, told the world that he wouldn't be bullied now by an adult anymore, wouldn't be scared.

And then, and only then, only after LeMond had cast the light of truth on Landis' soul did Landis fire Geoghegan.

Only after he got caught.

Then, even then, according to press accounts, Landis helped Geoghegan move out of his hotel room.

"People are defined by their principles and how they make their decisions," Landis said Saturday, when he was talking all high and mighty, trying to tell us about how he could never cheat.

And of all the baloney in this trial, in all the awfulness and evilness, it was the truest thing said.

People are defined by their principles and how they make their decisions and Floyd Landis is no different.

He's a despicable rat, a coward and a cowering, desperate puddle of a person.

He and his apologists, the ones he duped into funding his defense, can try to carve this up any way they want. They can parse words and pretend it didn't happen and keep pointing to some great cycling conspiracy.

Whatever. This isn't about cycling anymore. This isn't about lab procedures. This isn't about what was or wasn't in Floyd Landis' system after Stage 17 in France last July.

This is what is in that heart he begged us to look into. This is what is in that soul, in his character he talks so much about. This is about the science coming in on what a piece of trash this guy turned out to be.

Dan Wetzel wrote:Yes, what a man of high standards this ignorant clown is. What a proud, honorable champion this cut-throat coward is.

Dinsdale wrote:Man, how much smoke comes pouring out of your neighbor's house before you call the fire department?

Moving Sale wrote:The tests for the banned chems of the time were fine.

Dinsdale wrote:Newsflash, dumbass -- there was no urine test for EPO developed until 2001...hence the "retroactive test"...which he failed.

R-Jack wrote: I was just wondering when did two words like "concrete" and "evidence" matter to some brain dead Oliver Stone conspiracy type waterhead like yourself.

Moving Sale wrote:

Dinsdale wrote:Newsflash, dumbass -- there was no urine test for EPO developed until 2001...hence the "retroactive test"...which he failed.

A) You talking about the Lasne/Ceaurriz test used for Sydney? That was 2000 not 2001 you twit and the article in Nature talks about how they used it on the 1998 Tour riders.

In 2004, the Laboratoire National de Depistage du Dopage (LNDD, the French National Doping Control Laboratory) in Chatenay-Malabry, France apparently began retroactively testing frozen urine samples from pro cycling events. L'Equipe says that the purpose of this testing was to fine-tune testing methods to more accurately detect erythropoietin (EPO), a drug that is considered performance-enhancing. Some of the samples tested were from the 1999 Tour de France. The test protocol being used was not available until 2001

Dinsdale wrote:The test protocol being used was not available until 2001.

Moving Sale wrote: Now how do we know it was his sample again?