Preseason polls averaged

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:55 pm

http://www.lsufootball.net/articles/200 ... -polls.htm

kinda interested about the SFS site that has OU unranked. run by UT fans?

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:08 am

With newbie qb and no Peterson I can't see OU as a legit MNC-contender but #26 is ridiculous. Stoops is just too good a coach to let that happen. The same poll has my skers at #10, which I would love but I don't see us finishing there. Plus they have TCU at 8th, which is a hell of a ranking for any non-BCS team, especially going into the season. I would like to see TCU get in a BCS-conference. Patterson with a higher-level of recruit would be very dangerous. Most 3*and above guys won't consider a nonBCS team.

I must say I'm surprised to see Kentucky getting some love. Maybe sticking with Archer after some crappy seasons is paying-off.

ND isn't getting much love. Without Quinn he has to find a freaking defense.

Bielema seems to have Wiscy going places. Wiscy-fan should kiss our ass for hiring Cosgrove away.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:13 am

I'd put OU around a legit top 15 type team that hopefully benefits from getting Miami, Mizzou, Ok State and ATM in Norman....with no QB experience. 26 is the number they give to unranked. D ought to be pretty sound.

i think Cosgrove is iffy at best.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:33 pm

Cosgrove was an old buddy of BC's, a crony-hire. He is an OK coordinator but nothing special. None of his D's have been worth noting since Wiscy's 2000 team. Unfortunately this crony-hire led to another in our db-coach Elmassian, who isn't fit to carry the jock of his predecessor, Marvin Sanders. Sanders was the best position-coach we had but was still canned because he was one of Pelini's guys. I sure wish we had Bo still. I know OU wasn't wild about him but both times the guy has had a defense all to himself (Neb and LSU) he has kicked serious ass.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:09 am

until Florida loses, theyre #1

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:52 pm

Well, no, they're not. Reality out front should've told you.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:16 pm

Danimal wrote:ND isn't getting much love. Without Quinn he has to find a freaking defense.

29, which is our cumulative ranking among the polls cited, sounds about right to me for now. Certainly it's a lot better than the 47 that FSN gave us.

What is a little surprising to me right now is the fact that so many of our opponents are ranked so high, relatively speaking.

Having said that, the rankings are a bit problematic in that a 26 ranking apparently was assigned to each unranked team in each poll.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:08 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:until Florida loses, theyre #1

Ummmmm....no.

Until someone wins the MNC next year Florida is the defending champs.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Try to follow along will you?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:31 pm

Well, we're dealing with a SoCaler here. Facts and reality don't do a whole lot for those that live in their own little worlds. See, most people rely on a system that's based on...how shit actually works. But guys like SoCal prefer the "How I perceive it" method as their main reference tool. To them, it's much more accurate. Obviously ignorance is bliss, but it's also inconsequential as their opinion doesn't mean jack shit when faced with reality.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:06 pm

If Manning and Harrison left the Colts, they'd still be the favorites, right Toejam?

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:43 pm

dont watch NFL.
If a team wins it all, they continue to be #1 until they lose, thinking differently is why we have retards thinking Missouri or Illinois is in the "mid-west" part of the country

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:52 pm

And now a new candidate for board bitch appears.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:02 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:thinking differently is why we have retards thinking Missouri or Illinois is in the "mid-west" part of the country

Midwest as shown by U.S. Census Bureau official map...

But what the fuck do those retards know

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:25 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:If a team wins it all, they continue to be #1 until they lose

See, here's the problem with that...

When you choose to operate under the "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" method of reasoning, it's VERY easy for the opposition to disprove your statements with these pesky little things called "facts."

Facts...you know, those things that dictate how shit actually works?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:28 am

Mr T wrote:Midwest as shown by U.S. Census Bureau official map...

But what the fuck do those retards know

Dude...cold, hard facts aren't going to help your cause. You're going up against that lethal "BECAUSE I SAID SO!" offensive tactic that Toejam brings to the table.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:26 am

I never knew I hailed from the east north central. Nice ring to it.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:07 am

yeah, looking at the map of the United States it is obvious that those states listed above are in the mid western part of the country

You want to argue that I use an "I said so" offensive when saying that the #1 team should be #1 until they lose yet youre going to look at that map and tell me that it is a fact that Ohio is in the mid west part of the country.
Maybe 140 years ago when people traveled by wagon Ohio may have seemed like the Midwest but in real life, Ohio is nowhere close to the mid western part of this country. Utah and Colorado have a more legit claim to being the midwest than Ohio

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:31 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Maybe 140 years ago when people traveled by wagon Ohio may have seemed like the Midwest but in real life, Ohio is nowhere close to the mid western part of this country.

Go ahead and link me up to ONE, just ONE single source that proves this to be true then, genius. I mean, if it's that obvious of a conclusion, then I suppose you have a horde of facts at your disposal, right?

Go ahead and link me up, coach.

And by "link" I'm referring to a link that shows a breakdown of the U.S. regions, dumbfuck. Not a general map you can point to and say, "Hey, Ohio isn't in the Midwest, because gosh darnit, it sure doesn't seem like it should be!" The only "evidence" that map's a result of is you being a complete fucking moron.

Look, it's not up for debate or interpretation. The Midwest, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau (and ANY other legit source) is comprised of 12 states, which are separated into two subregions called the West and East Nortth Central. And yes, states like Ohio and Illinois fall into this region. Again, just because you don't "agree" with how things are determined doesn't make them untrue. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Utah and Colorado have a more legit claim to being the midwest than Ohio

No. Utah and Colorado have only one "legit claim," dumbass, and that is that they're located in the Mountain region. Hello? 7th grade geography much? Look, if they REALLY wanted to they could say Ohio was located in the region of Free Hookers and Drugs, and guess what? THAT'S there they'd be located. It isn't up to you and me to decide, douchebag.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:48 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Maybe 140 years ago when people traveled by wagon Ohio may have seemed like the Midwest but in real life, Ohio is nowhere close to the mid western part of this country.

And about 350 years ago, people came across the ocean, and tried to recreate their native land on a new continent.

One of these plcaes was called New York. Today, New York is absolutely nothing like York, New Jersey is nothing like Jersey, and New Hampshire is nothing like Hampshire.

I suggest you march on Washington to get these obvious miscarriages of naming convention rectified as quickly as possible, SoCalDumbass.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:34 pm

Perhaps we are the fools for expecting Schmick to think through this kind of thing without bikeracking himself.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:07 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:yeah, looking at the map of the United States it is obvious that those states listed above are in the mid western part of the country

maybe it is hard for a little league baseball coach to grasp this kind of stuff but for average people it is pretty simple to understand.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:43 pm

No a complete fucking moron would look at a map of the United States and say that Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan are in the mid-west part of the country. The same kind of fucking morons who think the shit theyre told at church is true because reason completely escapes their minds and they just belive what theyre told..
Show me one link, just one link of a legit map of the United States that has Ohio in the mid western part of the country. Keep believing what youre told and not what everyone can see to be true and you will continue to be the fucking moron. Still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:48 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:Show me one link, just one link of a legit map of the United States that has Ohio in the mid western part of the country.

viewtopic.php?t=23887

OK, Toejam...your turn --

Show me one link, just one link of a legit map that shows New York and New Jersey are part of England.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:02 pm

What time zone is Michigan, Ohio and Indiana in? Ok I know Indiana is a trick question as they split the year up in different time zones.

every legit map of the country I look at shows the same thing, Ohio and Michigan are obviously in the Eastern part of the country, you would have to be a fool to argue that they were in the Western part of the country.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:08 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:you would have to be a fool to argue that they were in the Western part of the country.

I couldn't agree more...

Since you're the only one arguing about it, either way.

Still waiting on the link that shows New York and New Jersey are part of England-btw.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:13 pm

if those cities were in England, they wouldnt be called New York or New Jersey, just like you wont see a town in Oregon calling itsself New Eugene.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:24 pm

OK...do try and follow...

Those STATES(New Jersey is actually a state...tell me you knew?) are called New York and New Jersey because they were once part of England, or colonies thereof.

"New York," "New Jersey," "New England"...those names...

are you sitting down?

Those names made sense at the time they originated.

Now, wanna take a big leap of faith here, and take a big wild guess as to how far American territory extended to the west when the name "the Midwest" was assinged to the region?

Light coming on yet?

After the US gained independence from Britain, there wasn't much outcry to change the names of New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, and New England, even though Britain was a bitter enemy at the time.

And you know why that was?

Because the Founding Fathers weren't whiney little retards.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:36 pm

4 or 5 hundred years ago people in what is now Mexico would pull the still beating heart out of a man every single day to make sure the sun god was happy and would rise the next day. man kind has now realized there is no god in the sun and if everyone keeps their hearts in their chest, the sun will still come up tomorrow.
Ohio is not in the mid west part of this country, either is Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska and either Dakota. Anyone with a brain can take advantage of modern technology, look at a map and see that for themselves

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:42 pm

OK...let's try again.

Toejam...where is Alpha Centauri located?

The mojority of people would probably tell you "outer space."

And 1000 years from now, the Earthlings might well get a laugh out of "those silly ancestors of ours...can you freaking believe they used to call that outer space? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Light coming on yet?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:45 pm

Or maybe this will help --

Toejam...no one on earth has claimed that in this age, that Ohio and Michigan are in the "mid west" part of the country, which is your big beef.

They're not in the "mid west" part of the country, at all. They're in the Midwest. You DO understand the concept of proper names, right?

Good god, you're a tard.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:55 pm

youre right, I live in the "South East" as Coto is a good 20 minutes East of the Pacific Ocean and an hour South of LA.
Thank you for helping me come to terms with my living in the South East

lets not play majorities, the majority (the fuckin idiots) in this country will tell you there is a sky fairy who created everything in 6 days about 4 thousand years ago and some virgin jewish girl gave birth to his son. The majority of people in the Arab countries will tell you that if they die by blowing themself and some people who believe in a different sky fairy up, they will be rewarded in the afterlife with 40 virgine who hopefully are not pregnant with their sky fairys son.
You can always count on the ignorance of the masses. Only few use reason

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:59 pm

But to for to but for to?

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog?

Dude, you make M2 seem coherent.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:16 am

Out here in the South East I think that a team should be #1 until they lose so Im putting Florida in the #1 spot

RumpleForeskin · Post by **RumpleForeskin** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:36 am

I think Bobby Reid can make some noise for Ok St this year. I really wouldn't be all that surprised if A&M, Texas, OU, or OSU took the south this year. I know Fran is an underacheiver, but A&M looks a lot better than 21 on paper. That offense has the potential to be one of the best this upcoming season.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:59 am

until McGee shows he can beat top teams with his arm, i'd say ATM while talented can't win the South unless they can find a way to convert a 3rd and long tossing the pigskin....like to Martellus Bennett for instance.

OU has a favorable schedule in that they get OSU, ATM, and Mizzou in Norman. but, as usual, the winner on the first Saturday in October will be in the driver's seat. though, i'd be surprised to see anyone roll through the South unscathed.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:38 am

I don't see ATM taking the south but I think they should have a top25 team that has a good chance of playing spoiler on Texas or OU.

Like Crimson said I don't see anyone getting through the south unscathed. Okie State will be dangerous and Tech can usually put up points. Plus Neb, Mizzou and the rest of the north can piss in your cheerios as well, as Texas found against KSU last season. I see Texas taking the conference with one loss.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:08 am

i think the North will improve, but i wouldn't running junk just yet.

KSU ain't beating UT with a healthy McCoy last year.

the big XII will have 4 teams in the top 11-25 next year. and that's where they belong.

down year. last year's OU was by far the weakest conference champ since Colorado's 01 team.

i also agree that Okie State could be dangerous--. i'm glad we get them in Norman.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:20 pm

Epcot = this thread

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:16 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote: you would have to be a fool to argue that they were in the Western part of the country.

I agree you would have to be a fool to argue that because they are in the Midwestern part of the country not the west.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:20 pm

Hey Toejam, I'm curious...

Let's assume hypothetically you're on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" or one of those high-payout trivia shows. And let's say you have a chance to advance to the next stage in the game if you answer the following question correctly:

"According to the United States Census Bureau, what official region are Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan located in?"

No Bullshit. No spinning. Just a one word answer will suffice. What would your response be?

I'll hang up and listen.